He is still only 26, but I think he is probably now done at the top level, shame really, he could have had an outstanding career.
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He still can, only it will be as a stunt double for Jack Sparrow.

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Dele Alli was never fantastic for England.
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So what makes Bellingham so fantastic, 1 goal in 21 England appearances?
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Hadn't Dele about 2 England appearances by the time he was 20?

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I see a lot are going for Bellingham. But I haven`t seen him do that much outstanding at the World Cup, a couple of passes here and there don`t make him better than Dele at present.

Far too early to judge him properly. Let`s see if he does anything against France, then perhaps he can be elevated up a bit.

Dele was fantastic for both Spurs in the Prem and in Europe and England for two or three seasons. Supporters have very short memories.
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It's not too early to judge him properly if you've been watching the odd Dortmund game over the past 2/3 years.

He's arguably their best player already.
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Not that difficult in Germany. Only two or three teams of note.
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He's been tearing up the CL this season
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Didn`t Dele supply the pass that put Spurs in the CL final.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Dele Alli was never fantastic for England.
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So what makes Bellingham so fantastic, 1 goal in 21 England appearances?
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Hadn't Dele about 2 England appearances by the time he was 20?
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19/20 very little difference.

comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
Bellingham has essentially not yet proven himself outside of Championship level. Let's look at who he has faced. Goals scored versus:

Stoke
Charlton
Leeds
Cardiff
Duisburg
Stuttgart
Kiel
Hoffenheim
Besiktas
Bielefield
Frankfurt
Rangers
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Copenhagen
Sevilla
Hanover
Frankfurt
Iran

Every single one of those teams are Championship level. He is completely unproven against top level opposition. The only exception is a couple of goals v Man City, which let's face it, Andros Townsend does every time he plays them so that would be a better comparison.


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Compare this to Alli's breakthrough season (he was 19 in 2015)

Scored against:

Leicester
Villa
WBA
Southampton
Everton
Palace
Norwich
Man Utd

ALL PL sides. So essentially you are comparing someone who scored 100% of his goals against PL clubs vs a player who scored 99% of his goals against Championship level sides.

There is no comparison.

comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
Bellingham has essentially not yet proven himself outside of Championship level. Let's look at who he has faced. Goals scored versus:

Stoke
Charlton
Leeds
Cardiff
Duisburg
Stuttgart
Kiel
Hoffenheim
Besiktas
Bielefield
Frankfurt
Rangers
1860
Copenhagen
Sevilla
Hanover
Frankfurt
Iran

Every single one of those teams are Championship level. He is completely unproven against top level opposition. The only exception is a couple of goals v Man City, which let's face it, Andros Townsend does every time he plays them so that would be a better comparison.


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Compared to Dele scoring against the likes of City, United, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc.

Didn`t Dele supply the pass that put Spurs in the CL final.
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Surprised Pochettino didn't play him in the final really.

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
Bellingham has essentially not yet proven himself outside of Championship level. Let's look at who he has faced. Goals scored versus:

Stoke
Charlton
Leeds
Cardiff
Duisburg
Stuttgart
Kiel
Hoffenheim
Besiktas
Bielefield
Frankfurt
Rangers
1860
Copenhagen
Sevilla
Hanover
Frankfurt
Iran

Every single one of those teams are Championship level. He is completely unproven against top level opposition. The only exception is a couple of goals v Man City, which let's face it, Andros Townsend does every time he plays them so that would be a better comparison.


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Compared to Dele scoring against the likes of City, United, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc.
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Great minds Sandy. They are essentially bigging up a Giovani Do Santos standard player just because he did it in a crap league when he was young. Came to Spurs and flopped in the PL immediately. Same with Sancho. Same with thousands of others.

Didn`t Dele supply the pass that put Spurs in the CL final.
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If you want to base it solely on goals and assists, Bellingham has 6 goals and 5 assists in the CL at just 19 years old.

Dele didn't even make his CL debut until 20.

Let's face it, Barry knows all about championship level - Scottish championship!

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 22 seconds ago
Didn`t Dele supply the pass that put Spurs in the CL final.
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If you want to base it solely on goals and assists, Bellingham has 6 goals and 5 assists in the CL at just 19 years old.

Dele didn't even make his CL debut until 20.
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Yeah but we're gonna get another list from Derek Osei telling us that all the CL Teams he scored against are Championship standard.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 7 minutes ago
Didn`t Dele supply the pass that put Spurs in the CL final.
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If you want to base it solely on goals and assists, Bellingham has 6 goals and 5 assists in the CL at just 19 years old.

Dele didn't even make his CL debut until 20.
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I think Sandy has his years mixed up tbf

Alli was 19 in 2015. The 2015/2016 season was when he led Spurs' title challenge, missing out right at the end. If he had pulled that off then it would be Maradona that we would be comparing him with. He was so close as well, at such a young age. Maradona was at his peak when he did it with Napoli.

But yeah Bellingham scored against Charlton and Iran. Same thing really.

Yes, Bellingham is a fair player, but at this point it is about 90% media hype.
Deli was at least as good, probably better at 19, depending on what aspects of their game you are comparing.
As said in other posts, there are several players who were better at 19. Gazza for one, probably Hoddle too.
We see this sort of thing over and over. A couple of good performances in major games and the media treat him like the second coming ( the very same people that will slaughter him when England go out )

As is always the case, way too much is made of being of a young age. Like it is some sort of miracle to play a sport that is, and always has been, a young man's sport, when you are 19. How often do we see players lose their football abilities the wrong side of 30. Of the current crop of "special" players, all are no where near where they were. Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, just to name a few off the top of my head.

So if you are naturally good, being 19 is actually an advantage. He certainly won't be covering the ground he does now in 10 year's time.

Just one of several unwarranted hypes of this world cup. Like everything Messi, Ronaldo or the Brazil team does, which is, apparently breath taking.

comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, Bellingham is a fair player, but at this point it is about 90% media hype.
Deli was at least as good, probably better at 19, depending on what aspects of their game you are comparing.
As said in other posts, there are several players who were better at 19. Gazza for one, probably Hoddle too.
We see this sort of thing over and over. A couple of good performances in major games and the media treat him like the second coming ( the very same people that will slaughter him when England go out )

As is always the case, way too much is made of being of a young age. Like it is some sort of miracle to play a sport that is, and always has been, a young man's sport, when you are 19. How often do we see players lose their football abilities the wrong side of 30. Of the current crop of "special" players, all are no where near where they were. Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, just to name a few off the top of my head.

So if you are naturally good, being 19 is actually an advantage. He certainly won't be covering the ground he does now in 10 year's time.

Just one of several unwarranted hypes of this world cup. Like everything Messi, Ronaldo or the Brazil team does, which is, apparently breath taking.

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Didn't bother reading most of this but you are seriously comparing Bellingham to Messi, Lewandowski and Ronaldo? I have seen delusion before but this is next level. Why not just let the kid develop and stop putting this kind of pressure on him! He will think his career is complete at this rate, after goals against Charlton and Iran.

Bellingham does it week in week out for Dortmund but am guessing most of you don’t watch them or even highlights

And tbf it’s not all about goals and Bellingham/Alli two different types of player anyway

It`s impossible to compare the two as they are two different type of players, Dele is an attacking midfielder / second striker and Bellingham is a box to box midfielder, so comparing stats is pointless.

Dele was immense for Spurs when used correctly, he kept Son out of the team but when Son got into the team, Dele suffered a bit.

Bellingham looks different gravy in the little I have seen, but obviously he has a long way to go, plenty of players burst onto the scene, get a big move and then disappear.

When Bellingham moves, there is no release clause, so he won`t be cheap, we are probably looking at 3 figures such is the crazy market, which rules out all but a few clubs, he`ll likely end up at one of City, United, Chelsea, Real Madrid or Barcelona.

Jude has a good head on him it seems. Stable family bringing up and able to cope with the fame and fortune.

Alli started from humble beginnings, no dad and it does seem from an outside point of view that fame and fortune got to him?

the better player at 19 years of age, Jude Bellingham or Dele Alli?
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comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
the better player at 19 years of age, Jude Bellingham or Dele Alli?
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Tbf I think Sandy has just found out Liverpool are favourites to sign him.

It's not really a fair comparison. Bellingham's all action playmaker type & Alli only looked effective when he was in a shadow striker type of role - very good at it but never the less.

Most people will rightfully say Bellingham because he's rarer (being English at least) & you could potentially build teams around him, but that doesn't mean Alli wasn't very good for a 2-3 year period. I rated him higher than Kane initially (more fool me lol).

comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
the better player at 19 years of age, Jude Bellingham or Dele Alli?
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Tbf I think Sandy has just found out Liverpool are favourites to sign him.
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Never fails to amuse do'es he?

I never rated dele alli. He was a peripheral player who flloated into games and scored.

Can I prove I never did? probably, but would take about 6 days of scrolling back to this site years ago.

It is a shame just how far he has fallen though.

Bellingham is a really good player, but whoever buys him will be spending an insane amount of money (easily over £100m) that he isn't worth due to the present hype. I mean, the jiizzing over the Senegal performance, you'd have thought it was Messi or Ronaldinho in their primes. World class potential for sure though.

Bellingham has a different skillset from Dele Alli, but I think many here are forgetting the reputation Alli had like 5 years ago (and then, I thought Dele Alli was ridiculously overhyped too).