I wasn’t receding to anyone particularly Greg. Just those that continually spout nonsense on here.
It is a coincidence you are one of the many.
I see it both ways. When it comes to the technicalities of coaching & tactics we could do better for sure, he's a bit of a vibes manager, but that's not necessarily a bad thing particularly in International Football.
The players play for him when it matters & until that changes I'm not in a rush to upgrade.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 32 minutes ago
And I will tell you this for a fact. Had England have beaten France yesterday these utter cretinous posters would now be claiming this isn’t a very good France side and it doesn’t count.
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I know you're referring to me with this insulting post, as that's all you have the ability to do here, insult people. Anyway, I'll bite.
It's not a very good France side for one
They heavily rely on old giroud, who bossed our defence when he had the chance.
Does that honestly not tell you something, nothing there clicks in your brain?
Why did giroud go to the Italian league?
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Varane, Tchouameni, Griezmann, Dembele, Mbappe… It is a pretty good French team, though not a brilliant one. Their ‘replacement’ players, like Giroud and Rabiot, have also done pretty well. They’ve been one of the two or three favourites since the start and rightly so.
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 32 minutes ago
I see it both ways. When it comes to the technicalities of coaching & tactics we could do better for sure, he's a bit of a vibes manager, but that's not necessarily a bad thing particularly in International Football.
The players play for him when it matters & until that changes I'm not in a rush to upgrade.
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That’s the thing. He might not be great at the tactical side and he might have one or two selection issues, but it seems he is very good at the ambassadorial, leadership and man-management side.
We aren’t going to get anyone better than southgate in for 24.
And poch who’s bottled everything he’s touched or Gerrard (limited) included
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
We aren’t going to get anyone better than southgate in for 24.
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Kiefer Sutherland?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
Knock out wins under Gareth:
Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Colombia, Senegal and the worst German team for 40 years.
Lost to Croatia, Italy and now France.
He doesn't get the job done when it truly counts. The three best teams he's faced on paper in knock out football and we haven't won any of them.
Time is up. He's a nice guy but he's not a winner, never has been and never will be. Going into the Euros with him is just another wasted opportunity with a talented group of players. We know we won't win it.
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This really sums it up.
It would have been a shock to lose to any of those teams bar the German one, and England on paper were better than all three of those teams we lost to arguably.
Yet Southgate gets praised for his great work?
He's the best we've had for years. He's cultivated a great team spirit, picked good teams. I can't see anyone doing better.
Most of the criticism comes from people who can't cross the road without somebody holding their hands.
Ergo I suppose every manager in the top ten should be sacked except the winners.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
Knock out wins under Gareth:
Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Colombia, Senegal and the worst German team for 40 years.
Lost to Croatia, Italy and now France.
He doesn't get the job done when it truly counts. The three best teams he's faced on paper in knock out football and we haven't won any of them.
Time is up. He's a nice guy but he's not a winner, never has been and never will be. Going into the Euros with him is just another wasted opportunity with a talented group of players. We know we won't win it.
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This really sums it up.
It would have been a shock to lose to any of those teams bar the German one, and England on paper were better than all three of those teams we lost to arguably.
Yet Southgate gets praised for his great work?
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When you take over a team that had reached one quarter final in it's previous five tournaments available, and the last of which were knocked out by a country once population is a fraction of London's - why is getting praised for dragging them out of that abyss unreasonable?
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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Not if you watch them play, they are progressing for sure
Nations League football is neither here nor there
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 12 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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52. You are arguing with an idiot here.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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Not if you watch them play, they are progressing for sure
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What have you seen in the last year which says the senior team is progressing?
Reminds me of a similar arguments I was having when Ole was in charge at United, people giving the nice guy the benefit of the doubt, despite zero CV, and losing when it matters.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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Again not Southgate problems, England problems!
The last time we played a team in a tournament who'd be considered better than us and we actually had the courage to attack (not even played better or worst, just had them on the backfoot for at least half of the match) to my mind was Brazil in the 2002 WC. That was 20 years ago mate, you're damn right that's progress
There needs to be a realization of what England are & where they were before Southgate. We're like the Spurs of International Football, I don't care how many supposed world class players with have - we're bottlers. That's who we are, that's our history. And you only need to look at Spurs' recent history to see swapping out a manager who's perceived as a loser for one with the CV might not necessarily work. While it's good, while everyone seems to be happy playing for him, why change it?
While it's good, while everyone seems to be happy playing for him, why change it?
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Because in my opinion, the England performances over the last year haven't been good, largely poor. It would have took terrible performances not to get to the quarters of this tournament. We then play France, decent performance against them but lose.
You may be right in that not many England managers have done better over the last 20 years and there seems a decent feel good factor around the team, so maybe exits when England face good teams should be accepted as good enough. Who knows.
Do you really take anything outside of tournament performance as relevant? The amount of times England have looked great going into them only to flop has been enraging, Southgate's England don't embarrass themselves at tournaments regardless of form, that's incredibly refreshing.
Looking like we belong on the same pitch as the good teams is good enough (to me). When it comes down to fine margins in International Football you've done well as you don't get large quantities of time with the players.
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posted on 11/12/22
I wasn’t receding to anyone particularly Greg. Just those that continually spout nonsense on here.
It is a coincidence you are one of the many.
posted on 11/12/22
I see it both ways. When it comes to the technicalities of coaching & tactics we could do better for sure, he's a bit of a vibes manager, but that's not necessarily a bad thing particularly in International Football.
The players play for him when it matters & until that changes I'm not in a rush to upgrade.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 32 minutes ago
And I will tell you this for a fact. Had England have beaten France yesterday these utter cretinous posters would now be claiming this isn’t a very good France side and it doesn’t count.
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I know you're referring to me with this insulting post, as that's all you have the ability to do here, insult people. Anyway, I'll bite.
It's not a very good France side for one
They heavily rely on old giroud, who bossed our defence when he had the chance.
Does that honestly not tell you something, nothing there clicks in your brain?
Why did giroud go to the Italian league?
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Varane, Tchouameni, Griezmann, Dembele, Mbappe… It is a pretty good French team, though not a brilliant one. Their ‘replacement’ players, like Giroud and Rabiot, have also done pretty well. They’ve been one of the two or three favourites since the start and rightly so.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 32 minutes ago
I see it both ways. When it comes to the technicalities of coaching & tactics we could do better for sure, he's a bit of a vibes manager, but that's not necessarily a bad thing particularly in International Football.
The players play for him when it matters & until that changes I'm not in a rush to upgrade.
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That’s the thing. He might not be great at the tactical side and he might have one or two selection issues, but it seems he is very good at the ambassadorial, leadership and man-management side.
posted on 11/12/22
We aren’t going to get anyone better than southgate in for 24.
posted on 11/12/22
hours?
posted on 11/12/22
And poch who’s bottled everything he’s touched or Gerrard (limited) included
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
We aren’t going to get anyone better than southgate in for 24.
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Kiefer Sutherland?
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
Knock out wins under Gareth:
Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Colombia, Senegal and the worst German team for 40 years.
Lost to Croatia, Italy and now France.
He doesn't get the job done when it truly counts. The three best teams he's faced on paper in knock out football and we haven't won any of them.
Time is up. He's a nice guy but he's not a winner, never has been and never will be. Going into the Euros with him is just another wasted opportunity with a talented group of players. We know we won't win it.
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This really sums it up.
It would have been a shock to lose to any of those teams bar the German one, and England on paper were better than all three of those teams we lost to arguably.
Yet Southgate gets praised for his great work?
posted on 11/12/22
He's the best we've had for years. He's cultivated a great team spirit, picked good teams. I can't see anyone doing better.
Most of the criticism comes from people who can't cross the road without somebody holding their hands.
Ergo I suppose every manager in the top ten should be sacked except the winners.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
Knock out wins under Gareth:
Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Colombia, Senegal and the worst German team for 40 years.
Lost to Croatia, Italy and now France.
He doesn't get the job done when it truly counts. The three best teams he's faced on paper in knock out football and we haven't won any of them.
Time is up. He's a nice guy but he's not a winner, never has been and never will be. Going into the Euros with him is just another wasted opportunity with a talented group of players. We know we won't win it.
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This really sums it up.
It would have been a shock to lose to any of those teams bar the German one, and England on paper were better than all three of those teams we lost to arguably.
Yet Southgate gets praised for his great work?
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When you take over a team that had reached one quarter final in it's previous five tournaments available, and the last of which were knocked out by a country once population is a fraction of London's - why is getting praised for dragging them out of that abyss unreasonable?
posted on 11/12/22
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
posted on 12/12/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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Not if you watch them play, they are progressing for sure
posted on 12/12/22
Nations League football is neither here nor there
posted on 12/12/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 12 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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52. You are arguing with an idiot here.
posted on 12/12/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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Not if you watch them play, they are progressing for sure
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What have you seen in the last year which says the senior team is progressing?
Reminds me of a similar arguments I was having when Ole was in charge at United, people giving the nice guy the benefit of the doubt, despite zero CV, and losing when it matters.
posted on 12/12/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
I don't disagree with people who are saying England can't beat the teams they'd be considered to be the underdogs against, but that's an England problem, not a Southgate problem!
What Southgate has done is get us back to the Eriksson standard, with a less talented selection pool to pick from imo, and every tournament there's been progression whereas with Eriksson it seemed to go in the other direction. Wouldn't surprised if at Euro 2024, even if it's in the group, we do beat a big team (deservedly) because that appears to be the nature of Southgate's England. There's comfort that comes out of each tournament.
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England just got relegated in the nations league, failed to beat USA, lost to France and only beat Senegal, Iran and Wales... you could definately argue they aren't progressing.
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Again not Southgate problems, England problems!
The last time we played a team in a tournament who'd be considered better than us and we actually had the courage to attack (not even played better or worst, just had them on the backfoot for at least half of the match) to my mind was Brazil in the 2002 WC. That was 20 years ago mate, you're damn right that's progress
There needs to be a realization of what England are & where they were before Southgate. We're like the Spurs of International Football, I don't care how many supposed world class players with have - we're bottlers. That's who we are, that's our history. And you only need to look at Spurs' recent history to see swapping out a manager who's perceived as a loser for one with the CV might not necessarily work. While it's good, while everyone seems to be happy playing for him, why change it?
posted on 13/12/22
While it's good, while everyone seems to be happy playing for him, why change it?
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Because in my opinion, the England performances over the last year haven't been good, largely poor. It would have took terrible performances not to get to the quarters of this tournament. We then play France, decent performance against them but lose.
You may be right in that not many England managers have done better over the last 20 years and there seems a decent feel good factor around the team, so maybe exits when England face good teams should be accepted as good enough. Who knows.
posted on 14/12/22
Do you really take anything outside of tournament performance as relevant? The amount of times England have looked great going into them only to flop has been enraging, Southgate's England don't embarrass themselves at tournaments regardless of form, that's incredibly refreshing.
Looking like we belong on the same pitch as the good teams is good enough (to me). When it comes down to fine margins in International Football you've done well as you don't get large quantities of time with the players.
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