Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Eriksson and Capello both had far better squads to work with, IMO.
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Those managers never had a chance, rivalry in club football was too bitter to allow any sort of togetherness.
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Rivalries don't get worse than the Barca-Madrid divide in the Spain dressing room (Mourinho tried to poison it further when he was Real Madrid manager). Plus the Catalan nationalism element to it too. And Spain did just fine. Don't think club rivalries had anything to do with England squads of the past.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
He has had more luck than any other previous manager. Easier qualifying groups and draws, no major injuries coming into a tournament like when Rooney or Beckham used to get injured, having essentially a home tournament. I think the timing of his appointment has benefited him too, with the dispersion of the GG.
I give him credit for creating a good team spirit something that Capello struggled with but at the end of the day he still loses to any big team or in form team he comes up against, like the rest of them.
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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I'll elaborate for you.
Iran showed his weaknesses, a couple of chances were directly his fault. Their second goal was directly his fault.
USA... are crap.
Wales.... are crap
Senegal.... are crap
Yet in all of those games against bad opposition, Maguire made mistakes that could've been costly.
Our first decent team France, Maguire is at fault for their winning goal. He also had a free header and didn't hit the target (classic Maguire).
Rabiot runs through the middle of the defence and almost scores 30 seconds after me made it 1-1, why? Because stones are Maguire are sh!te and slow and made rabiot look like Usain bolt.
Giroud almost made It 2-1 with a volley, wide open in the box between Maguire and stones. What the feck were they doing leaving giroud wide open, not once, but twice in the space of 30 seconds. Giroud makes it 2-1 because Maguire doesnt know how to track movement in the box.
Maguire and stones spend about 30 minutes of the game passing between themselves yesterday. They have done this almost every match. And then when they have bored the opposition to sleep, maguire then pumps the ball up top thinking he's a prime scholes or Rooney, only for the ball to go out of play, or for a midget foden to struggle to receive th ball.
Fair enough you can only play what is Infront of you, but maguire played championship level attackers pre France and looked meh and everyone is creaming over him.
We play France, and a guy who's almost 40 has him on toast time and time again.
We will never win anything with Maguire and stones as our partnership at the back. There is a reason both of them were dropped for city and United. That reason is because they're sh!t.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
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Why would they say anything different, we progressed through to knockouts against poor opposition. Maguire would never be the focus in those discussions.
Listening to you talk about Maguire is like listening to Nickasaurus (the JA606 Graeme Souness) talk about Pogba or SE85 talk about any given South American player, Greg.
He could have put in prime Beckenbauer-esque performances game-in, game-out and you still wouldn’t be able to see past your blind hatred of the man.
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posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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U mean he played half decent against Iran, Wales and senegal๐ guy was hardly a rock at the back ffs.
He didn't have a good tournament, neither did England. This whole dressing up average performances is why we don't succeed at international level.
He wasn't even close to standout. He was better than he is for his club but no rival fan would take him for free, off the back of those performances.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Listening to you talk about Maguire is like listening to Nickasaurus (the JA606 Graeme Souness) talk about Pogba or SE85 talk about any given South American player, Greg.
He could have put in prime Beckenbauer-esque performances game-in, game-out and you still wouldn’t be able to see past your blind hatred of the man.
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It's true though. He literally came up against championship players in this tournament before France. Everyone is saying "he's had a fantastic tournament". Yeah, you'd expect him to against that level of opposition and even still he made crucial mistakes against this level of opposition.
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posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Prof Rosso Curtice - mapping SOTY polling tren... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Listening to you talk about Maguire is like listening to Nickasaurus (the JA606 Graeme Souness) talk about Pogba or SE85 talk about any given South American player, Greg.
He could have put in prime Beckenbauer-esque performances game-in, game-out and you still wouldn’t be able to see past your blind hatred of the man.
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It's true though. He literally came up against championship players in this tournament before France. Everyone is saying "he's had a fantastic tournament". Yeah, you'd expect him to against that level of opposition and even still he made crucial mistakes against this level of opposition.
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Nobody should be saying he has had a "fantastic tournament". There is nothing fantastic about going out at the usual stage to a team we usually struggle against.
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comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Eriksson and Capello both had far better squads to work with, IMO.
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Those managers never had a chance, rivalry in club football was too bitter to allow any sort of togetherness.
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Rivalries don't get worse than the Barca-Madrid divide in the Spain dressing room (Mourinho tried to poison it further when he was Real Madrid manager). Plus the Catalan nationalism element to it too. And Spain did just fine. Don't think club rivalries had anything to do with England squads of the past.
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Every England player of the past will disagree. There have been numerous interviews with Rio, Neville, Cole, Gerrard, Scholes who all say there were cliques with team mates.
U mean he played half decent against Iran, Wales and senegal๐ guy was hardly a rock at the back ffs.
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Maguire’s best game was against USA.
I wouldn’t say he was outstanding and he wouldn’t be in my tournament XI (unlike the Euros last year) but he’s generally done OK. Unfortunately two of the big moments last night saw him get it wrong - missing a free header, then not being quite close enough to Giroud (even then the ball actually cannoned in off Maguire’s arm).
I don't hate the guy, I just find him a bit limited.
He's done a good job of resetting the mood around England FC and has had some memorable moments, but now is the time to try someone else.
comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Yeah
Defences of Neville Rio Terry Cole with midfields of lampard Gerard Scholes Beckham etc are clearly inferior to what we have now
You seem to forget these squads even failed to qualify for tournaments
We had wag drama, nonsense nothing but just circus stuff.
Today our best CB was playing against a CB who booted him out of the team.
Liverpool wanted tchoumaneni (sp?) so they didn’t have to play Henderson any more.
This is a pretty bang average squad
Goalkeeper plays for a mid table team
Centre backs are hardly first choice for their clubs
Shaw only just got his job back
Cancelo replaced Walker
Rice is a starter at west ham
Bellingham will be awesome
We have had teams of the best starters in the PL and been embarrased in these tournaments
These last 3 tournaments we’ve actually competed.
Croatia hurt, Italy was rough and today I think we deserved to win but again the only stats that matter are goals
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
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Why would they say anything different, we progressed through to knockouts against poor opposition. Maguire would never be the focus in those discussions.
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They wouldn't say any different because ha had a very good tournament.
Knock out wins under Gareth:
Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Colombia, Senegal and the worst German team for 40 years.
Lost to Croatia, Italy and now France.
He doesn't get the job done when it truly counts. The three best teams he's faced on paper in knock out football and we haven't won any of them.
Time is up. He's a nice guy but he's not a winner, never has been and never will be. Going into the Euros with him is just another wasted opportunity with a talented group of players. We know we won't win it.
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comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Eriksson and Capello both had far better squads to work with, IMO.
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Those managers never had a chance, rivalry in club football was too bitter to allow any sort of togetherness.
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Rivalries don't get worse than the Barca-Madrid divide in the Spain dressing room (Mourinho tried to poison it further when he was Real Madrid manager). Plus the Catalan nationalism element to it too. And Spain did just fine. Don't think club rivalries had anything to do with England squads of the past.
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Every England player of the past will disagree. There have been numerous interviews with Rio, Neville, Cole, Gerrard, Scholes who all say there were cliques with team mates.
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Didn't say there were no cliques. I'm saying it's no different from other countries like Spain. Or Italy. Spain literally had a CB pairing of Ramos and Pique who were known to loath each other. The likes of Casillas, Puyol and Xavi had to mediate between the cliques to douse tensions. Other teams have to navigate the same issue, so it's not an excuse for England's past problems.
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posted 11 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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Mbappe v Trent, hmm that would end well
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posted 9 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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England wouldn't win with Trent though.
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posted 9 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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England wouldn't win with Trent though.
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I know, I thought Trent was a strange one to fixate on here. Not sure he’d have made much difference last night, for example.
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posted 9 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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England wouldn't win with Trent though.
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I know, I thought Trent was a strange one to fixate on here. Not sure he’d have made much difference last night, for example.
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He’d have made a huge difference.
France would have scored more
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
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Why would they say anything different, we progressed through to knockouts against poor opposition. Maguire would never be the focus in those discussions.
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They wouldn't say any different because ha had a very good tournament.
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Not difficult against championship level players really is it
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posted on 11/12/22
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Prof Rosso Curtice - mapping SOTY polling trends in real time (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Eriksson and Capello both had far better squads to work with, IMO.
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Those managers never had a chance, rivalry in club football was too bitter to allow any sort of togetherness.
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Rivalries don't get worse than the Barca-Madrid divide in the Spain dressing room (Mourinho tried to poison it further when he was Real Madrid manager). Plus the Catalan nationalism element to it too. And Spain did just fine. Don't think club rivalries had anything to do with England squads of the past.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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posted on 11/12/22
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
posted on 11/12/22
He has had more luck than any other previous manager. Easier qualifying groups and draws, no major injuries coming into a tournament like when Rooney or Beckham used to get injured, having essentially a home tournament. I think the timing of his appointment has benefited him too, with the dispersion of the GG.
I give him credit for creating a good team spirit something that Capello struggled with but at the end of the day he still loses to any big team or in form team he comes up against, like the rest of them.
posted on 11/12/22
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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I'll elaborate for you.
Iran showed his weaknesses, a couple of chances were directly his fault. Their second goal was directly his fault.
USA... are crap.
Wales.... are crap
Senegal.... are crap
Yet in all of those games against bad opposition, Maguire made mistakes that could've been costly.
Our first decent team France, Maguire is at fault for their winning goal. He also had a free header and didn't hit the target (classic Maguire).
Rabiot runs through the middle of the defence and almost scores 30 seconds after me made it 1-1, why? Because stones are Maguire are sh!te and slow and made rabiot look like Usain bolt.
Giroud almost made It 2-1 with a volley, wide open in the box between Maguire and stones. What the feck were they doing leaving giroud wide open, not once, but twice in the space of 30 seconds. Giroud makes it 2-1 because Maguire doesnt know how to track movement in the box.
Maguire and stones spend about 30 minutes of the game passing between themselves yesterday. They have done this almost every match. And then when they have bored the opposition to sleep, maguire then pumps the ball up top thinking he's a prime scholes or Rooney, only for the ball to go out of play, or for a midget foden to struggle to receive th ball.
Fair enough you can only play what is Infront of you, but maguire played championship level attackers pre France and looked meh and everyone is creaming over him.
We play France, and a guy who's almost 40 has him on toast time and time again.
We will never win anything with Maguire and stones as our partnership at the back. There is a reason both of them were dropped for city and United. That reason is because they're sh!t.
posted on 11/12/22
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posted 7 minutes ago
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
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Why would they say anything different, we progressed through to knockouts against poor opposition. Maguire would never be the focus in those discussions.
posted on 11/12/22
Listening to you talk about Maguire is like listening to Nickasaurus (the JA606 Graeme Souness) talk about Pogba or SE85 talk about any given South American player, Greg.
He could have put in prime Beckenbauer-esque performances game-in, game-out and you still wouldn’t be able to see past your blind hatred of the man.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 43 seconds ago
Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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U mean he played half decent against Iran, Wales and senegal๐ guy was hardly a rock at the back ffs.
He didn't have a good tournament, neither did England. This whole dressing up average performances is why we don't succeed at international level.
He wasn't even close to standout. He was better than he is for his club but no rival fan would take him for free, off the back of those performances.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Prof Rosso Curtice - mapping SOTY polling tren... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Listening to you talk about Maguire is like listening to Nickasaurus (the JA606 Graeme Souness) talk about Pogba or SE85 talk about any given South American player, Greg.
He could have put in prime Beckenbauer-esque performances game-in, game-out and you still wouldn’t be able to see past your blind hatred of the man.
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It's true though. He literally came up against championship players in this tournament before France. Everyone is saying "he's had a fantastic tournament". Yeah, you'd expect him to against that level of opposition and even still he made crucial mistakes against this level of opposition.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 37 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
Listening to you talk about Maguire is like listening to Nickasaurus (the JA606 Graeme Souness) talk about Pogba or SE85 talk about any given South American player, Greg.
He could have put in prime Beckenbauer-esque performances game-in, game-out and you still wouldn’t be able to see past your blind hatred of the man.
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It's true though. He literally came up against championship players in this tournament before France. Everyone is saying "he's had a fantastic tournament". Yeah, you'd expect him to against that level of opposition and even still he made crucial mistakes against this level of opposition.
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Nobody should be saying he has had a "fantastic tournament". There is nothing fantastic about going out at the usual stage to a team we usually struggle against.
posted on 11/12/22
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comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Eriksson and Capello both had far better squads to work with, IMO.
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Those managers never had a chance, rivalry in club football was too bitter to allow any sort of togetherness.
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Rivalries don't get worse than the Barca-Madrid divide in the Spain dressing room (Mourinho tried to poison it further when he was Real Madrid manager). Plus the Catalan nationalism element to it too. And Spain did just fine. Don't think club rivalries had anything to do with England squads of the past.
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Every England player of the past will disagree. There have been numerous interviews with Rio, Neville, Cole, Gerrard, Scholes who all say there were cliques with team mates.
posted on 11/12/22
U mean he played half decent against Iran, Wales and senegal๐ guy was hardly a rock at the back ffs.
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Maguire’s best game was against USA.
I wouldn’t say he was outstanding and he wouldn’t be in my tournament XI (unlike the Euros last year) but he’s generally done OK. Unfortunately two of the big moments last night saw him get it wrong - missing a free header, then not being quite close enough to Giroud (even then the ball actually cannoned in off Maguire’s arm).
posted on 11/12/22
I don't hate the guy, I just find him a bit limited.
He's done a good job of resetting the mood around England FC and has had some memorable moments, but now is the time to try someone else.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Christ We Won (TENฦ๊) (U17162)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
When has England ever had far better squads?
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Yeah
Defences of Neville Rio Terry Cole with midfields of lampard Gerard Scholes Beckham etc are clearly inferior to what we have now
You seem to forget these squads even failed to qualify for tournaments
We had wag drama, nonsense nothing but just circus stuff.
Today our best CB was playing against a CB who booted him out of the team.
Liverpool wanted tchoumaneni (sp?) so they didn’t have to play Henderson any more.
This is a pretty bang average squad
Goalkeeper plays for a mid table team
Centre backs are hardly first choice for their clubs
Shaw only just got his job back
Cancelo replaced Walker
Rice is a starter at west ham
Bellingham will be awesome
We have had teams of the best starters in the PL and been embarrased in these tournaments
These last 3 tournaments we’ve actually competed.
Croatia hurt, Italy was rough and today I think we deserved to win but again the only stats that matter are goals
posted on 11/12/22
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
posted on 11/12/22
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Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
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Why would they say anything different, we progressed through to knockouts against poor opposition. Maguire would never be the focus in those discussions.
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They wouldn't say any different because ha had a very good tournament.
posted on 11/12/22
Knock out wins under Gareth:
Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Colombia, Senegal and the worst German team for 40 years.
Lost to Croatia, Italy and now France.
He doesn't get the job done when it truly counts. The three best teams he's faced on paper in knock out football and we haven't won any of them.
Time is up. He's a nice guy but he's not a winner, never has been and never will be. Going into the Euros with him is just another wasted opportunity with a talented group of players. We know we won't win it.
posted on 11/12/22
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When has England ever had far better squads?
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Eriksson and Capello both had far better squads to work with, IMO.
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Those managers never had a chance, rivalry in club football was too bitter to allow any sort of togetherness.
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Rivalries don't get worse than the Barca-Madrid divide in the Spain dressing room (Mourinho tried to poison it further when he was Real Madrid manager). Plus the Catalan nationalism element to it too. And Spain did just fine. Don't think club rivalries had anything to do with England squads of the past.
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Every England player of the past will disagree. There have been numerous interviews with Rio, Neville, Cole, Gerrard, Scholes who all say there were cliques with team mates.
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Didn't say there were no cliques. I'm saying it's no different from other countries like Spain. Or Italy. Spain literally had a CB pairing of Ramos and Pique who were known to loath each other. The likes of Casillas, Puyol and Xavi had to mediate between the cliques to douse tensions. Other teams have to navigate the same issue, so it's not an excuse for England's past problems.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 11 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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Mbappe v Trent, hmm that would end well
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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England wouldn't win with Trent though.
posted on 11/12/22
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta OUT!!! (U7482)
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comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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England wouldn't win with Trent though.
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I know, I thought Trent was a strange one to fixate on here. Not sure he’d have made much difference last night, for example.
posted on 11/12/22
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Baddiel on Southgate:
My basic position is: I agree Gareth Southgate is a decent fellow who’s changed the culture of the England team in a positive way. But I might prefer it if he was a total w@nker who picked Trent and James Maddison and won.
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England wouldn't win with Trent though.
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I know, I thought Trent was a strange one to fixate on here. Not sure he’d have made much difference last night, for example.
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He’d have made a huge difference.
France would have scored more
posted on 11/12/22
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
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Irony there is pre-tournament he was lambasted for playing his favorite Maguire and yet Maguire was a stand out for us all tournament.
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Please elaborate. Maguire was average at best, and failed when it mattered, story of his United career.
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He doesn't need to elaborate. Maguire had a very good tournament
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No popcorn required. He’s been one of England’s stand out players. I haven’t seen anyone in the media - journos, pundits and ex-players alike - say anything different.
WhoScored currently have him in their Team of the Tournament so far. One of only two England players (along with Bellingham).
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Why would they say anything different, we progressed through to knockouts against poor opposition. Maguire would never be the focus in those discussions.
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They wouldn't say any different because ha had a very good tournament.
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Not difficult against championship level players really is it
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