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posted on 12/12/22

He has. Just needs to get the balls to sub off Kane once in a while and he'll be good.

posted on 12/12/22

Alright's not really good enough.
We have had very favourable draws.

Southgate has galvanised the team and support for the english team, they look together and a strong knit unit.

However he is lacking tactically and in key times during tournaments/matches.
1 up v croatia (a worse team than us imo)
1 up v Italy, at home, at wembley infront of mostly english crowd
cagey and defensive against france until they scored, then decided we actually had to do some attacking, had the game by the scruff of the neck and made some odd substitutions.

Nice guy, decent manager, but not a great coach.
Only an outsiders perspective though .

posted on 12/12/22

He needs to be more ambitious with the team. Sure have 2 midfielders who sit in Rice and Jude but like France moved Griezmann into midfield he should do the same with Foden. If he continues with a solid midfield then it will end in pain.

Also needs to look at full backs as an attacking source. Walker is a good defender when all he has to do is have his one on one battle but he offers nothing going forward.

This is how England could evolve if he is brave enough.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Alright's not really good enough.
We have had very favourable draws.

Southgate has galvanised the team and support for the english team, they look together and a strong knit unit.

However he is lacking tactically and in key times during tournaments/matches.
1 up v croatia (a worse team than us imo)
1 up v Italy, at home, at wembley infront of mostly english crowd
cagey and defensive against france until they scored, then decided we actually had to do some attacking, had the game by the scruff of the neck and made some odd substitutions.

Nice guy, decent manager, but not a great coach.
Only an outsiders perspective though .
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Yeah he does the man-management side of it well but just isn't tactically good enough. His subs in big games have always been questionable. I don't think he is brave enough to change things when it matters in a timely fashion.

posted on 12/12/22

Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 3 minutes ago
Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job
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Nobody talks about how he never gets major injuries either. Like this used to be a big thing with England going into tournaments with Beckham and Rooney. France had Benzema, Kante and Pogba out. England never seem to get hit with any.

Southgate must have a lawn of four leaf clovers in his garden.

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 6 minutes ago
Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job
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How did he bottle it v France?

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 6 minutes ago
Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job
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How did he bottle it v France?
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did they win?

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 6 minutes ago
Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job
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How did he bottle it v France?
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did they win?
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That’s not strictly bottling it though is it?

Bottling it would suggest he didn’t have the nerve to go toe to toe with the world champions, which they obviously did, it would suggest they just defended in numbers hoping to sneak a win on the counter
Fact is they went for it and lost 2-1, $hit happens

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 6 minutes ago
Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How did he bottle it v France?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
did they win?
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That’s not strictly bottling it though is it?

Bottling it would suggest he didn’t have the nerve to go toe to toe with the world champions, which they obviously did, it would suggest they just defended in numbers hoping to sneak a win on the counter
Fact is they went for it and lost 2-1, $hit happens
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The other 2 tournaments were more bottle jobs because we were in the lead and in control of both games and found ways to lose them. This one we were always playing catch up even if we might have played the better football.

posted on 12/12/22

I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings

posted on 12/12/22

The best England manager since Ramsey. Plus, who else is there?

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Alright's not really good enough.
We have had very favourable draws.

Southgate has galvanised the team and support for the english team, they look together and a strong knit unit.

However he is lacking tactically and in key times during tournaments/matches.
1 up v croatia (a worse team than us imo)
1 up v Italy, at home, at wembley infront of mostly english crowd
cagey and defensive against france until they scored, then decided we actually had to do some attacking, had the game by the scruff of the neck and made some odd substitutions.

Nice guy, decent manager, but not a great coach.
Only an outsiders perspective though .
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Yeah he does the man-management side of it well but just isn't tactically good enough. His subs in big games have always been questionable. I don't think he is brave enough to change things when it matters in a timely fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Does he actually do the man management side of it well though? Get the distinct impression he’s a 100% carrot, 0% stick man. On that basis, of course he’ll be popular with the players, in a nice, cushy, cosseted environment with a nice, understanding, softly spoken bloke in charge. Not sure being nice all the time wins things though.

posted on 12/12/22

What's the point in giving him another tournament?

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 6 minutes ago
Always get easy qualifying groups
Never plays a decent team in Group stages
Bottles it when they play a half decent side

Doing a grand job
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How did he bottle it v France?
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Whether bottle or not he never used all his subs which I may have mentioned before?

Kane as captain seems to be a lead by example type rather than verbals? With few touches in a game, against better sides in particular that can be an issue. In general CB or CMs are captains, often putting in a cruncher to gee up the team. The fact that England only had one yellow and in the France game seems an outlier stat - something else I may have mentioned?

Finally, does GS feel disinclined to sub his captain when the team still needs a result for some reason? Decent player but does the new energy and new challenge for the defenders eclipse the theoretical good strike rate of Kane? Only GS knows the answer but strikers are ripe for being subbed in the game.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Alright's not really good enough.
We have had very favourable draws.

Southgate has galvanised the team and support for the english team, they look together and a strong knit unit.

However he is lacking tactically and in key times during tournaments/matches.
1 up v croatia (a worse team than us imo)
1 up v Italy, at home, at wembley infront of mostly english crowd
cagey and defensive against france until they scored, then decided we actually had to do some attacking, had the game by the scruff of the neck and made some odd substitutions.

Nice guy, decent manager, but not a great coach.
Only an outsiders perspective though .
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Yeah he does the man-management side of it well but just isn't tactically good enough. His subs in big games have always been questionable. I don't think he is brave enough to change things when it matters in a timely fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Does he actually do the man management side of it well though? Get the distinct impression he’s a 100% carrot, 0% stick man. On that basis, of course he’ll be popular with the players, in a nice, cushy, cosseted environment with a nice, understanding, softly spoken bloke in charge. Not sure being nice all the time wins things though.
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Did we ever find out the Ben White truth?

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 42 seconds ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
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We could have thought that when Southgate took over.

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
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Yeah, what English managers are even available right now that are any good? The only ones I rate have jobs.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Alright's not really good enough.
We have had very favourable draws.

Southgate has galvanised the team and support for the english team, they look together and a strong knit unit.

However he is lacking tactically and in key times during tournaments/matches.
1 up v croatia (a worse team than us imo)
1 up v Italy, at home, at wembley infront of mostly english crowd
cagey and defensive against france until they scored, then decided we actually had to do some attacking, had the game by the scruff of the neck and made some odd substitutions.

Nice guy, decent manager, but not a great coach.
Only an outsiders perspective though .
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Yeah he does the man-management side of it well but just isn't tactically good enough. His subs in big games have always been questionable. I don't think he is brave enough to change things when it matters in a timely fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Does he actually do the man management side of it well though? Get the distinct impression he’s a 100% carrot, 0% stick man. On that basis, of course he’ll be popular with the players, in a nice, cushy, cosseted environment with a nice, understanding, softly spoken bloke in charge. Not sure being nice all the time wins things though.
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Well when I say good man-management I mean he's been able to create a good vibe within the squad. It seems like a happy camp, perhaps the happiest since Euro 96, whereas we know it hasn't always looked it. Like when Capello was managing, or under Sven when there was probably a bit of ego and club rivalry lurking. That said it makes me wonder if he would have coped any better had he been manager 10 years earlier.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Pun Guy (U21588)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
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Yeah, what English managers are even available right now that are any good? The only ones I rate have jobs.
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FA are rolling in dosh to pay compo.

posted on 12/12/22

BTW, I’m also not buying the narrative that Southgate is seriously reflecting on his future. No fecking way is he walking away from the best paid managerial gig he’ll ever have … and when he eventually does, I fully expect him to walk into another job within the FA set up.

No problem at all with that BTW … as a Scot, with an English missus.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Pun Guy (U21588)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
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Yeah, what English managers are even available right now that are any good? The only ones I rate have jobs.
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Nobody rated Southgate at the time too so I guess you could equally go for someone unfancied and they might do as good or better job, like Gerrard?

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Pun Guy (U21588)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, what English managers are even available right now that are any good? The only ones I rate have jobs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
FA are rolling in dosh to pay compo.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Pun Guy (U21588)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
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Yeah, what English managers are even available right now that are any good? The only ones I rate have jobs.
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FA are rolling in dosh to pay compo.
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Only if they're interested though.

Howe for example has started brilliantly at a club that will be going places with cash to throw around. Potter just started a top job (though we know how disposable chelsea managers are). I don't really rate any other English managers around at the moment.

And that's assuming they're interested in leaving day-to-day management at this point in their careers.

posted on 12/12/22

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Pun Guy (U21588)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
I’ve no real problem with Southgate.

It’s no like there’s a better replacement waiting in the wings
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, what English managers are even available right now that are any good? The only ones I rate have jobs.
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Nobody rated Southgate at the time too so I guess you could equally go for someone unfancied and they might do as good or better job, like Gerrard?
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Maybe.

I'm sure Gerrard / Lampard / Rooney will all be in the frame if Southgate leaves.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 12/12/22

Sean Dyche?

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