Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
100% CT feels like the handball rule has only become an issue in modern times. Become over complicated
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 7 seconds ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
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I completely see where your coming from here and I kinda agree.
However Society nowadays is different, people feel more entitled now than they ever did. They demand that things are explained they want less and less open to interpretation.
Its part of what makes refs jobs harder and harder.
In an ideal world we leave decisions like that up to the refs to decide in what way it affected the move , how deliberate it was, should his hand be there etc. but we cant, refs are not good enough, people think bias etc... so we cant we need to have the rules broke down as detailed as possible so they can justify things.
We get clubs trying to take things to court now when major decisions are dealt with wrongly, no wonder they are covering their backs.
It is what it is, its part of the game it always has been , its under more scrutiny and we have the technology now to really scrutinise it even further now.
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
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The officials still have to make a decision about whether it was deliberate - a bit of mind-reading, if you like.
It would really simplify it if you went the other way i.e. if there's contact between hand and ball it's a foul and that's that (and the authorities may have tried to move in that direction). But that could throw up some other issues.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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He didn't even talk to Wolves so he didn't turn down the job.
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
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The officials still have to make a decision about whether it was deliberate - a bit of mind-reading, if you like.
It would really simplify it if you went the other way i.e. if there's contact between hand and ball it's a foul and that's that (and the authorities may have tried to move in that direction). But that could throw up some other issues.
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I get why they did it. Players can be pretty convincing actors making themselves bigger whilst still not making it look deliberate
Don't know what the answer is but it is painful watching defenders dance about the area with their hands behind their back like Michael fooking Flately - even worse when they lose their mind and do it outside the box too.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The officials still have to make a decision about whether it was deliberate - a bit of mind-reading, if you like.
It would really simplify it if you went the other way i.e. if there's contact between hand and ball it's a foul and that's that (and the authorities may have tried to move in that direction). But that could throw up some other issues.
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The main issue being attcking players could deliberately hit the ball off a hand in the box knowing any contact would be a pen.
I agree we need to get back to the essence of why the handball rule exists in the first place.
It is to prevent players deliberately gaining an advantage from the use of their hands.
In some ways they tried to take the mind reading for intent out of it with all the 'unnatural position' and 'away from the natural sillouette of the body' type pash.
The big problem with that was that in the natural act of defending legally (eg stretching to block a shot with your foot) that your body moves into positions that are now deemed unnatural and penalties are given.
Aye they arent natural positions when you are walking down the street minding your own business but its perfectly natural if you are blocking a shot in a game of football.
For me the rules should incorporate things like;
1. its a conscious act to use an arm/hand to gain an advantage
2. there has to be a deliberate movement to play the ball or move the hand towards a position they think the ball is going
3. If the defender appears to be making a genuine attempt to block the ball legally (eg. using his foot) and the ball inadvertently his an arm/hand as part of that movement then its no pen
4. 'Reflex' self defence type reactions which result in a hand ball (like goldsons) is not a pen
5. It is not a penalty if you do not have a line of site of the ball before it hit you
6. It is not a pen if the ball changes direction after it comes off another part of your body or a nearby player and hits your hand/arm
etc.
Of course there is judgement required from refs and there will always be huge controversy no matter how you cut it. But the game is being ruined.
It is ludicrous that the laws of the game have morphed so badly that players are facing up attackers in the box with their arms behind their back for fear of giving away a pen. Talk about an unnatural position!
‘He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.’
As Mags has said-he didn’t even get an interview for the Wolves job. He apparently turned down the chance for an interview.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
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And in between saying no to Wolves and Yes to Rangers Beale spent the afternoon in the Louden and then the Blue Room getting reacquainted with the fans and staff at Ibrox.
He knew it was on the cards.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
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I've no idea, I try to deal in facts rather than conjecture.
Don't always succeed right enough!
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
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And in between saying no to Wolves and Yes to Rangers Beale spent the afternoon in the Louden and then the Blue Room getting reacquainted with the fans and staff at Ibrox.
He knew it was on the cards.
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Yes, tawdry behavior from all involved in that.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 57 seconds ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Not seen anyone fuming?
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Some Celtic fans seem to be upset Beale was approached by, and said no thanks to, an English Premier League Club prior to enthusiastically accepting to become manager of the famous Glasgow Rangers at the first time of asking.
Surely they cant still be hurting because Eddie Howe did the opposite?
I mean Ange has done a fine job. They should be thankful no-one else was prepared to give Ange a break in Europe.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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I remember when you used to say that about Pedro, wars, gvb. Even Davie White.
As for Morelos being as fit as ever and mcgregor being the best goalie in Scotland ....🤣🤣🤣🤣
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Some Celtic fans seem to be upset Beale was approached by, and said no thanks to, an English Premier League Club prior to enthusiastically accepting to become manager of the famous Glasgow Rangers at the first time of asking.
Surely they cant still be hurting because Eddie Howe did the opposite?
I mean Ange has done a fine job. They should be thankful no-one else was prepared to give Ange a break in Europe.
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I agree.
Beale shat it
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
Neither Beale nor Ange are lucky to be in their jobs.
Beale did a decent job at Ibrox before. Ange has a pretty impressive CV.
Beale, however will be lucky to still be in it at the end of the year.
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Yeah luck has EFF all to do with it. Lucky to have put in the work to get where they are in their careers. Celtic are lucky they stick to their plan of buying cheap and selling for a profit.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 57 seconds ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Not seen anyone fuming?
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You can see it, the snarling, the curtness, stumbling about looking for a stick to try beat him with.
Aw bit he said this.
He's unbeaten and not signed a player and he's already winding you lot up...It will do for me so far
The media are liking it as opposed to the fat man telling them which questions they should be asking in what tone. Move over fatso, the press have their new headline act.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
Neither Beale nor Ange are lucky to be in their jobs.
Beale did a decent job at Ibrox before. Ange has a pretty impressive CV.
Beale, however will be lucky to still be in it at the end of the year.
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Yeah luck has EFF all to do with it. Lucky to have put in the work to get where they are in their careers. Celtic are lucky they stick to their plan of buying cheap and selling for a profit.
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no one said they were lucky to get the job , I said they were lucky to be in jobs we would all love to be in.
Im fairly certain if you asked them both they would say they feel very fortunate to be in charge of such huge clubs.
So far in his career as the man in charge Beale has won the square root of fook all and long may it continue.
Mind that way he told you that's not the question you should ask Keith? Mind he spoke to you like the daftprick you are Keith?
At the first sign of trouble, we'll stick the knife in.
It does seem pretty foolish of Ange to be such an insufferable whank to the people that will play a large part in how successful his work is seen.
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 1 minute ago
So far in his career as the man in charge Beale has won the square root of fook all and long may it continue.
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tbf if he had won anything in his management career by now he would be a very very special manager given that its not been possible to win anything in his career yet.
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
Not being racist but did anyone else think Iwata looked exactly like Hatate on Saturday ? his look , his poise on the ball , his running style
Be good to see both in the same room , just to be sure
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Hope its his evil twin. Hatate's too nice.
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posted on 23/1/23
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
posted on 23/1/23
100% CT feels like the handball rule has only become an issue in modern times. Become over complicated
posted on 23/1/23
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 7 seconds ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I completely see where your coming from here and I kinda agree.
However Society nowadays is different, people feel more entitled now than they ever did. They demand that things are explained they want less and less open to interpretation.
Its part of what makes refs jobs harder and harder.
In an ideal world we leave decisions like that up to the refs to decide in what way it affected the move , how deliberate it was, should his hand be there etc. but we cant, refs are not good enough, people think bias etc... so we cant we need to have the rules broke down as detailed as possible so they can justify things.
We get clubs trying to take things to court now when major decisions are dealt with wrongly, no wonder they are covering their backs.
It is what it is, its part of the game it always has been , its under more scrutiny and we have the technology now to really scrutinise it even further now.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The officials still have to make a decision about whether it was deliberate - a bit of mind-reading, if you like.
It would really simplify it if you went the other way i.e. if there's contact between hand and ball it's a foul and that's that (and the authorities may have tried to move in that direction). But that could throw up some other issues.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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He didn't even talk to Wolves so he didn't turn down the job.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The officials still have to make a decision about whether it was deliberate - a bit of mind-reading, if you like.
It would really simplify it if you went the other way i.e. if there's contact between hand and ball it's a foul and that's that (and the authorities may have tried to move in that direction). But that could throw up some other issues.
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I get why they did it. Players can be pretty convincing actors making themselves bigger whilst still not making it look deliberate
Don't know what the answer is but it is painful watching defenders dance about the area with their hands behind their back like Michael fooking Flately - even worse when they lose their mind and do it outside the box too.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Regarding handball we simply need to make it easier for everyone
Is it a deliberate handball or not ?
should be the only criteria for a penalty - and yes there might a grey area in that but it would at elast clear up alot of the awful decisions we are seeing
the one ion the celtic game for instacne - Ambroses second case of handball - that should never be awarded as a handball - his hand is in a natural position for making a slide tackle
I think we just need to a bit more black and white - was it deliberate to handle the ball or not ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The officials still have to make a decision about whether it was deliberate - a bit of mind-reading, if you like.
It would really simplify it if you went the other way i.e. if there's contact between hand and ball it's a foul and that's that (and the authorities may have tried to move in that direction). But that could throw up some other issues.
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The main issue being attcking players could deliberately hit the ball off a hand in the box knowing any contact would be a pen.
I agree we need to get back to the essence of why the handball rule exists in the first place.
It is to prevent players deliberately gaining an advantage from the use of their hands.
In some ways they tried to take the mind reading for intent out of it with all the 'unnatural position' and 'away from the natural sillouette of the body' type pash.
The big problem with that was that in the natural act of defending legally (eg stretching to block a shot with your foot) that your body moves into positions that are now deemed unnatural and penalties are given.
Aye they arent natural positions when you are walking down the street minding your own business but its perfectly natural if you are blocking a shot in a game of football.
For me the rules should incorporate things like;
1. its a conscious act to use an arm/hand to gain an advantage
2. there has to be a deliberate movement to play the ball or move the hand towards a position they think the ball is going
3. If the defender appears to be making a genuine attempt to block the ball legally (eg. using his foot) and the ball inadvertently his an arm/hand as part of that movement then its no pen
4. 'Reflex' self defence type reactions which result in a hand ball (like goldsons) is not a pen
5. It is not a penalty if you do not have a line of site of the ball before it hit you
6. It is not a pen if the ball changes direction after it comes off another part of your body or a nearby player and hits your hand/arm
etc.
Of course there is judgement required from refs and there will always be huge controversy no matter how you cut it. But the game is being ruined.
It is ludicrous that the laws of the game have morphed so badly that players are facing up attackers in the box with their arms behind their back for fear of giving away a pen. Talk about an unnatural position!
posted on 23/1/23
‘He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.’
As Mags has said-he didn’t even get an interview for the Wolves job. He apparently turned down the chance for an interview.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
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And in between saying no to Wolves and Yes to Rangers Beale spent the afternoon in the Louden and then the Blue Room getting reacquainted with the fans and staff at Ibrox.
He knew it was on the cards.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
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I've no idea, I try to deal in facts rather than conjecture.
Don't always succeed right enough!
posted on 23/1/23
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 6 minutes ago
The problem Beale has is the same one GvB had in that his squad is too bloated with deadwood and a couple of his better players are running their contracts down and may leave for £0 giving him fook all to spend.
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Do people really believe that Beale choose the Rangers job over Wolves if he was gonna have no money to improve us?
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He didn't decide between the two. He rejected one then accepted the other. Maybe his losing streak influenced it? It is plausible, yes. Even with money there's still the risk Wolves go down. With no money there's no risk Rangers going down and still a decent shout for taking luck in a cup final. Fook knows why he left QPR tbh?
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cmon man you really think he wasnt aware of getting the gers job before then? If he doesnt win the league with us its a failure much like Wolves going down.
He was doing a decent job at QPR after a fantastic start, he was offered the job at Wolves and knocked it back and accepted the Gers job about 3 weeks later.
I just dont see him accepting our job to topple a good celtic team that have money to improve them if he didnt have assurances of money to spend to rebuild the team.
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And in between saying no to Wolves and Yes to Rangers Beale spent the afternoon in the Louden and then the Blue Room getting reacquainted with the fans and staff at Ibrox.
He knew it was on the cards.
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Yes, tawdry behavior from all involved in that.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 57 seconds ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Not seen anyone fuming?
posted on 23/1/23
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Some Celtic fans seem to be upset Beale was approached by, and said no thanks to, an English Premier League Club prior to enthusiastically accepting to become manager of the famous Glasgow Rangers at the first time of asking.
Surely they cant still be hurting because Eddie Howe did the opposite?
I mean Ange has done a fine job. They should be thankful no-one else was prepared to give Ange a break in Europe.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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I remember when you used to say that about Pedro, wars, gvb. Even Davie White.
As for Morelos being as fit as ever and mcgregor being the best goalie in Scotland ....🤣🤣🤣🤣
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Some Celtic fans seem to be upset Beale was approached by, and said no thanks to, an English Premier League Club prior to enthusiastically accepting to become manager of the famous Glasgow Rangers at the first time of asking.
Surely they cant still be hurting because Eddie Howe did the opposite?
I mean Ange has done a fine job. They should be thankful no-one else was prepared to give Ange a break in Europe.
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I agree.
Beale shat it
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
Neither Beale nor Ange are lucky to be in their jobs.
Beale did a decent job at Ibrox before. Ange has a pretty impressive CV.
Beale, however will be lucky to still be in it at the end of the year.
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Yeah luck has EFF all to do with it. Lucky to have put in the work to get where they are in their careers. Celtic are lucky they stick to their plan of buying cheap and selling for a profit.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 57 seconds ago
Beale has done some job getting under Tim skin.
All he has to do is open his mouth and they are fuming, love to see him baiting Ange at every opportunity. Class.
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Not seen anyone fuming?
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You can see it, the snarling, the curtness, stumbling about looking for a stick to try beat him with.
Aw bit he said this.
He's unbeaten and not signed a player and he's already winding you lot up...It will do for me so far
The media are liking it as opposed to the fat man telling them which questions they should be asking in what tone. Move over fatso, the press have their new headline act.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
Neither Beale nor Ange are lucky to be in their jobs.
Beale did a decent job at Ibrox before. Ange has a pretty impressive CV.
Beale, however will be lucky to still be in it at the end of the year.
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Yeah luck has EFF all to do with it. Lucky to have put in the work to get where they are in their careers. Celtic are lucky they stick to their plan of buying cheap and selling for a profit.
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no one said they were lucky to get the job , I said they were lucky to be in jobs we would all love to be in.
Im fairly certain if you asked them both they would say they feel very fortunate to be in charge of such huge clubs.
posted on 23/1/23
So far in his career as the man in charge Beale has won the square root of fook all and long may it continue.
posted on 23/1/23
Mind that way he told you that's not the question you should ask Keith? Mind he spoke to you like the daftprick you are Keith?
At the first sign of trouble, we'll stick the knife in.
It does seem pretty foolish of Ange to be such an insufferable whank to the people that will play a large part in how successful his work is seen.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 1 minute ago
So far in his career as the man in charge Beale has won the square root of fook all and long may it continue.
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tbf if he had won anything in his management career by now he would be a very very special manager given that its not been possible to win anything in his career yet.
posted on 23/1/23
comment by CelticTornado (U4316)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
Not being racist but did anyone else think Iwata looked exactly like Hatate on Saturday ? his look , his poise on the ball , his running style
Be good to see both in the same room , just to be sure
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Hope its his evil twin. Hatate's too nice.
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