comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 37 minutes ago
Where are you hearing this about 8 weeks? That's ridiculous. It takes no more than 3 weeks before you're back exercising vigorously again. My brother had it so I know how long it takes.

If he is taking 8 week then what is the feckin' point of coming back? Seriously? Let's just get this shiiiitshow over with and move on.
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The ITK on gallbladder surgery is right up with Hercules.
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I am far from any ITK, just post what I see. Can’t fathom why it’s been taken down.

Like I said, bizarre. FWIW I want Conte in the dugout for the remainder of the season

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now

comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 37 minutes ago
Where are you hearing this about 8 weeks? That's ridiculous. It takes no more than 3 weeks before you're back exercising vigorously again. My brother had it so I know how long it takes.

If he is taking 8 week then what is the feckin' point of coming back? Seriously? Let's just get this shiiiitshow over with and move on.
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The ITK on gallbladder surgery is right up with Hercules.
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Oh you’re talking about Fridge maybe he is a surgeon in his spare time

comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 37 minutes ago
Where are you hearing this about 8 weeks? That's ridiculous. It takes no more than 3 weeks before you're back exercising vigorously again. My brother had it so I know how long it takes.

If he is taking 8 week then what is the feckin' point of coming back? Seriously? Let's just get this shiiiitshow over with and move on.
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The ITK on gallbladder surgery is right up with Hercules.
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I am far from any ITK, just post what I see. Can’t fathom why it’s been taken down.

Like I said, bizarre. FWIW I want Conte in the dugout for the remainder of the season
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Was refering to Fridge and his brother 🤣

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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Don't forget, Utd and Woolwich were on the decline. He was lucky he missed SAF and Wenger in their prime.

I don’t think Conte’s absence is entirely down to his operation.
My partner is a retired GP and she says it was normally okay to return to work after a few (3) weeks post operation.
We also need to remember that Conte has lost 3 very close friends recently and maybe this is having an effect on his mindset and possibly he is depressed because of the deaths.
Furthermore and possibly most important is the Conte lives alone in a London hotel and tries to get back to Italy as often as possible. His family remain in the family home back in Italy🤔

comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 37 minutes ago
Where are you hearing this about 8 weeks? That's ridiculous. It takes no more than 3 weeks before you're back exercising vigorously again. My brother had it so I know how long it takes.

If he is taking 8 week then what is the feckin' point of coming back? Seriously? Let's just get this shiiiitshow over with and move on.
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The ITK on gallbladder surgery is right up with Hercules.
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I am far from any ITK, just post what I see. Can’t fathom why it’s been taken down.

Like I said, bizarre. FWIW I want Conte in the dugout for the remainder of the season
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Was refering to Fridge and his brother 🤣
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That's me out on the ITK front. Gallbladder surgery is all I've got

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 37 minutes ago
Where are you hearing this about 8 weeks? That's ridiculous. It takes no more than 3 weeks before you're back exercising vigorously again. My brother had it so I know how long it takes.

If he is taking 8 week then what is the feckin' point of coming back? Seriously? Let's just get this shiiiitshow over with and move on.
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The ITK on gallbladder surgery is right up with Hercules.
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I am far from any ITK, just post what I see. Can’t fathom why it’s been taken down.

Like I said, bizarre. FWIW I want Conte in the dugout for the remainder of the season
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Was refering to Fridge and his brother 🤣
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That's me out on the ITK front. Gallbladder surgery is all I've got
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All I will say is that the pain you have after 2-3 weeks just feels like a pulled stomach muscles due to the four incisions that have to be made to operate. Nothing more. The guy has checked out, I'm telling you.

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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Hard not to disagree with this. There are no other realistic candidates that could come in and potentially turn it around under ENIC. Pochettino has an affiliation with the club unlike our other managers after him.

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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Hard not to disagree with this. There are no other realistic candidates that could come in and potentially turn it around under ENIC. Pochettino has an affiliation with the club unlike our other managers after him.
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Danny Rose has just said this...

"If Poch could be tempted to come back, I'd be saying do everything you possibly can to get him back. You hear Conte talk about being able to compete with bigger teams but Spurs don't do that as often has other teams"

I know he'll be biased because things went sour for him when Jose came in but it's an interesting take from a former player. He was at the coalface with Poch. As a former player, his opinion should hold sway. For me it's an absolute no-brainer.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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Spot On.. well said mate

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.

He was never successful in the first place? And don't give any sob stories please

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Would have to be the second season full season. All our managers weren’t expected to win anything in their first season. Qualifying for the CL is deemed successful in the first season.

comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.

He was never successful in the first place? And don't give any sob stories please
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Wow

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posted 8 minutes ago
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 39 minutes ago
NEW: @DiMarzio: The negotiation for the renewal of Antonio Conte's contract with #thfc has stalled and the feeling is that at the end of the season the two parties will separate. | @TUTTOJUVE_COM
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Is this news ?
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It's a tweet. Are you ok?
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We all know it's a tweet, but most of us could see this happening 6 months ago, not news
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So you knew about the operation 6 months ago? Amazing
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No mention of operation in tweet, sort it out

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.

He was never successful in the first place? And don't give any sob stories please
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Wow
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I’d imagine we were the first club to reach a CL final without signing a player for over a calendar year beforehand. That alone is success. We were punching way above our weight for years in terms of what we spent on transfers and wages

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.
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That old chesnut about the club not backing him. Most of the dross at the club now were Poch signings, and they are holding the club back, because no one wants them.

I wouldn`t trust Poch with any money. He will just waste it on the likes of Nkoudou, Janssen, Njie and Clarke type players. Plus all the other expensive players he purchased that have been complete duds.

Would you have been so kind to Conte had he purchased Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele for an extraordinary amount of money.

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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Hard not to disagree with this. There are no other realistic candidates that could come in and potentially turn it around under ENIC. Pochettino has an affiliation with the club unlike our other managers after him.
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Just like there were no other candidates but Mourinho when he was sacked, coincidence or lazy recruitment team ?

Agree with you Fridge. I think it's every bit as big a job as it was when he first joined though. He got a tune out of plenty of underperforming players but he also binned a bunch who weren't up for it. Capoue, Kaboul, Holtby, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Bentaleb...

I think he'd need to do the same again with this squad. Plenty of young talent to work with, but plenty of stagnant/degrading older ones too, and I seriously don't see him managing to get the likes of Son, Dier, Davies etc suddenly performing again. They're jaded and they're not gonna suddenly start responding to a manager who demands high-pressing and energy.

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.
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That old chesnut about the club not backing him. Most of the dross at the club now were Poch signings, and they are holding the club back, because no one wants them.

I wouldn`t trust Poch with any money. He will just waste it on the likes of Nkoudou, Janssen, Njie and Clarke type players. Plus all the other expensive players he purchased that have been complete duds.

Would you have been so kind to Conte had he purchased Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele for an extraordinary amount of money.
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Son, Alli, Toby, Wanyama, Trippier etc were also signed on his watch for relative peanuts. Gonna give him any credit for those or only the duds? The truth is you cherry pick the duds to suit your point, every single time.

Has it ever dawned on you that Poch bemoaned the fact that he was just the coach precisely because he didn't have much say in transfers. If the club signed good players or bad players, it was about the recruitment team, not the manager in place.

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
Agree with you Fridge. I think it's every bit as big a job as it was when he first joined though. He got a tune out of plenty of underperforming players but he also binned a bunch who weren't up for it. Capoue, Kaboul, Holtby, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadli, Bentaleb...

I think he'd need to do the same again with this squad. Plenty of young talent to work with, but plenty of stagnant/degrading older ones too, and I seriously don't see him managing to get the likes of Son, Dier, Davies etc suddenly performing again. They're jaded and they're not gonna suddenly start responding to a manager who demands high-pressing and energy.
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Yep, I've no doubt major surgery is needed but we've now got a huge recruitment team in place thanks to what Paratici has done so as we ship out the poor players, we should be in a good position to unearth the next set of hidden gems. That's the market we should be looking at and with Poch at the helm, there's no one better than him at polishing a rough, young diamond.

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m neither for or against Pochettino returning. What i do know is Levy has wasted 4 years if he appoints him which I think is happening
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Don you’ll end up with splinters
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I know, but i can see both sides of the argument
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Agree with Don here. Love Pochettino but recognise it went badly at the end of his first spell - mainly due to stagnation - and I'm not convinced it'll go any better 2nd time round.

What people often forget is how long it took for the project to click before as well. Football and results were pants for a good year or so after Pochettino took over while he was shifting all the sheite out of the squad and drilling the players in his style.

Plenty of players in the current squad would need shipping out - if they were jaded under Pochettino 3 years ago then they'll be even worse now
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I don't think anyone here on the Poch train believes he'll have us up and running within a year but he'll be in it for the long haul again so he'll give us as we'll give him the time to turn things around. I'm under no illusions here. I'm fully aware that Poch was fortunate to turn up as Harry was coming through but he also oversaw a dramatic lift in the form of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen amongst others. He might have inherited a squad with real potential but he did, without question, make each and every one of them better. For all Conte's history of success, can you really point to any player in the Spurs squad that's now performing better than when he first joined? Poch might not be the answer but he's a damn safe pair of hands for now and he plays good stuff. Surely he has to be better than what we've had to endure since he left?

I know exactly why some fans object. It's partly to do with the final year (of which he grew tired of the club not backing him so it was understandable, particularly after the CL loss) but it's also because fans have seen it and done it. They're attracted to the mystery of the new. It's the difference between signing a player from Brazil you've never heard of for 40m or going for a Trossard type Prem player for a similar fee. The mystery of the unknown is that much more alluring. But the cold facts are that right now we need stability. We need someone in that CAN operate under ENIC's restrictions, because, let's face it - they're not going to change. We need someone that knows the club, the ethos, the identity. Given how catastrophically awful we've been over the last few years, he really is the very best candidate within our reach anyway. If he came, he'd join for the long haul again. If we sign another new Poch style manager, he'll just get itchy feet after three years and move on. At least we know he's loyal.

There's as much evidence of success upon a return to a club as there is failure so this 'never go back' narrative holds absolute no credence whatsoever.
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If Pochettino was to return he would have to win a trophy in his first season. That is what you were demanding of Conte. Anything other than that and he would be a failure.
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Not at all Sandy. I'd be satisfied with a slow upward trajectory which is what we had when Poch first joined. When he took over from Sherwood, after a few months you could definitely see a style emerging. We controlled a lot of games, were on the front foot but obviously didn't hit 5th gear for about a year. That said we were always progressing. Bit by bit.

Now I know what you're going to say - why would you give Poch time and not Conte? Because only at the very end under Poch did we begin to regress, when the club didn't back him when they should have done. We are a worse team now than we were when Conte got us to 4th. We've plateaued and dipped. Plus the football is dreadful.

The truth is that, and I've heard Carragher say something similar, if you play unattractive, passive football, you've got to win. You just have to because the fans won't have anything else to cling to. We're playing badly, we're losing games and we have a manager that doesn't really want to be here. That's why I don't want him here. It has nothing to do with demanding a trophy.
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That old chesnut about the club not backing him. Most of the dross at the club now were Poch signings, and they are holding the club back, because no one wants them.

I wouldn`t trust Poch with any money. He will just waste it on the likes of Nkoudou, Janssen, Njie and Clarke type players. Plus all the other expensive players he purchased that have been complete duds.

Would you have been so kind to Conte had he purchased Sanchez, Lo Celso and Ndombele for an extraordinary amount of money.
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Sandy, you just didn’t like N’jie’s hair