There has been a lot of problems for him to deal with but then Tuchel managed to deal with pretty much every possible problem you could throw at a manager last season. It was genuinely an unprecedented set of circumstances for a top club manager to have to navigate, certainly in my lifetime at least.
Still got 3rd, two trophies, two further cup finals and a CL QF that really should have been a win.
The man had a CL trophy in his hands a month ago by this point in his reign having dominated every side he came up against, he’s an absolute managerial genius. That’s what the new owners have given up.
Potter’s now got a clear schedule, new players, only 4 injuries right now compared to 8/10/12 every week like the last month or two.
It seems he’s going to get the rest of the season no matter what so he needs to show something, give us something to cling onto because 2 wins in 15 is madness. We can’t just finish the season in the same kind of state we are now or he really has to go.
There can be no more excuses from this point on.
Players look at Potter and ask themselves what has he won?
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 15 minutes ago
Players look at Potter and ask themselves what has he won?
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I dont even think it's that granular, I think they just look at him and like wtf am i suppose to be doing.
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
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i will need to lean on some arsenal fans for perspective.
But nevin said guardiola and arteta struggled early on.
But surely there were signs? patterns of play, there certainly were with guardiola.
Also arteta took over a worse squad, in a worse position and still won the fa cup.
Chelsea have played 10 games since the start of the year and won 1...that's quite incredible.
Looking at Soccerbase it's only a 2 week spell in October where with Potter at the helm Chelsea looked like they could be onto something but that 15 day period aside he's been a total disaster.
A manager who clearly is feeling sorry for himself and is much more fond of defending himself with excuses than taking responsibility is a poor fit for turning around a moribund team.
comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 3 minutes ago
Chelsea have played 10 games since the start of the year and won 1...that's quite incredible.
Looking at Soccerbase it's only a 2 week spell in October where with Potter at the helm Chelsea looked like they could be onto something but that 15 day period aside he's been a total disaster.
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Also every player who starts off looking lively is starting to decline...take that as you will.
Brighton couldn’t score for shiiiit
Neither can Chelsea.
Maybe he’s just not very good at coaching attackers.
11 points above the relegation zone. 11 points behind top 4.
Get Mourinho back.
Give the fans what they want. We want chequebook Mourinho to win another Premier League title almost purely for the antics and press conferences if he did manage it.
as a biproduct of this form , i see the most worrying development is tha club have just employed a super negotiater to attract bigger moe lucrative sponsorships as both of our main ones are due to finish in the summer. Who with big money will want to sponsor a team floundering with no apparant forward plan.
Now i loved it when Jose was in charge we new it wasnt always pretty to watch but damn it was effective. Not sure if he should come back, but we do need someone with some background. I really dont like zidane or enrique but maybe Pochetino as the players we have are young and ready. he did ok with spurs on a limited budget and with (sorry spurs) lower grade players maybe he could finish what he started, with us
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 16 minutes ago
Get Mourinho back.
Give the fans what they want. We want chequebook Mourinho to win another Premier League title almost purely for the antics and press conferences if he did manage it.
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I bet you do, sadly for you there's zero chance of that happening.
Im not saying that Chelsea should keep Potter, but managers especially those that play the game a different way to the previous regime get a bit of a raw deal.
Pre season is the time that the team need to knit together learn how the manager wants to play and the manager can plan the pre season to fit best with how his style gets implemented.
Potter has come in through the season into a very different club with a different mentality, who has then also brought in a load of new players from all over the world who dont know each other and he is expected to have that team competing against other settled teams that have had all season to gel and prepare.
Again not defending him and not sure he is right but its something that needs to be remembered. This problem seems to be exaggerated when you have a tactical manager and not a mainly motivate the players manager.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 16 minutes ago
Get Mourinho back.
Give the fans what they want. We want chequebook Mourinho to win another Premier League title almost purely for the antics and press conferences if he did manage it.
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I bet you do, sadly for you there's zero chance of that happening.
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Definitely more than zero percent chance.
An underperforming attack is on par for Potter teams though
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 15 minutes ago
Im not saying that Chelsea should keep Potter, but managers especially those that play the game a different way to the previous regime get a bit of a raw deal.
Pre season is the time that the team need to knit together learn how the manager wants to play and the manager can plan the pre season to fit best with how his style gets implemented.
Potter has come in through the season into a very different club with a different mentality, who has then also brought in a load of new players from all over the world who dont know each other and he is expected to have that team competing against other settled teams that have had all season to gel and prepare.
Again not defending him and not sure he is right but its something that needs to be remembered. This problem seems to be exaggerated when you have a tactical manager and not a mainly motivate the players manager.
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That would make sense if nearly every team ever didnt get a new manager bounce
which is common due to the new buzz, fresh start and the opposition have no previous games to research you.
Potter had that bounce effect also.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
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i will need to lean on some arsenal fans for perspective.
But nevin said guardiola and arteta struggled early on.
But surely there were signs? patterns of play, there certainly were with guardiola.
Also arteta took over a worse squad, in a worse position and still won the fa cup.
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It was all about the Cup win for Arteta.
He came in halfway through the season, on his first ever solo job. Employed an ultra defensive style of play that many fans didn't warm to. But he still won the Cup 5 months later, knocking out both Chelsea and City in the process.
Bought him a ton of goodwill.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 55 seconds ago
which is common due to the new buzz, fresh start and the opposition have no previous games to research you.
Potter had that bounce effect also.
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hmm short lived and a couple dead rubber games.Theres no reason, especially with the world cup break that potter has implemented nothing.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
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i will need to lean on some arsenal fans for perspective.
But nevin said guardiola and arteta struggled early on.
But surely there were signs? patterns of play, there certainly were with guardiola.
Also arteta took over a worse squad, in a worse position and still won the fa cup.
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With Klopp, Pep and now ETH, even if results weren't always brilliant initially you can visibly see signs or progress. I haven't seen much of Chelsea but apparently you have scored far less than you should have.
It will be interesting to see what happens but maybe it is worth giving him time.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 55 seconds ago
which is common due to the new buzz, fresh start and the opposition have no previous games to research you.
Potter had that bounce effect also.
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hmm short lived and a couple dead rubber games.Theres no reason, especially with the world cup break that potter has implemented nothing.
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like I said Im not saying Potter is the man for the job just that when owners appoint someone with a different style and outlook to the game that intends to change things and add into that a bunch of new players who know nothing of each other and expecting results is not a fair way to judge a manager IMO.
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.
compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).
Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.
It's damning stuff.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.
compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).
Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.
It's damning stuff.
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Both had much longer in the job than Potter though.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.
compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).
Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.
It's damning stuff.
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Both had much longer in the job than Potter though.
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with a much more settled squad
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posted on 20/2/23
There has been a lot of problems for him to deal with but then Tuchel managed to deal with pretty much every possible problem you could throw at a manager last season. It was genuinely an unprecedented set of circumstances for a top club manager to have to navigate, certainly in my lifetime at least.
Still got 3rd, two trophies, two further cup finals and a CL QF that really should have been a win.
The man had a CL trophy in his hands a month ago by this point in his reign having dominated every side he came up against, he’s an absolute managerial genius. That’s what the new owners have given up.
Potter’s now got a clear schedule, new players, only 4 injuries right now compared to 8/10/12 every week like the last month or two.
It seems he’s going to get the rest of the season no matter what so he needs to show something, give us something to cling onto because 2 wins in 15 is madness. We can’t just finish the season in the same kind of state we are now or he really has to go.
There can be no more excuses from this point on.
posted on 20/2/23
Players look at Potter and ask themselves what has he won?
posted on 20/2/23
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
posted on 20/2/23
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 15 minutes ago
Players look at Potter and ask themselves what has he won?
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I dont even think it's that granular, I think they just look at him and like wtf am i suppose to be doing.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i will need to lean on some arsenal fans for perspective.
But nevin said guardiola and arteta struggled early on.
But surely there were signs? patterns of play, there certainly were with guardiola.
Also arteta took over a worse squad, in a worse position and still won the fa cup.
posted on 20/2/23
Chelsea have played 10 games since the start of the year and won 1...that's quite incredible.
Looking at Soccerbase it's only a 2 week spell in October where with Potter at the helm Chelsea looked like they could be onto something but that 15 day period aside he's been a total disaster.
posted on 20/2/23
A manager who clearly is feeling sorry for himself and is much more fond of defending himself with excuses than taking responsibility is a poor fit for turning around a moribund team.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 3 minutes ago
Chelsea have played 10 games since the start of the year and won 1...that's quite incredible.
Looking at Soccerbase it's only a 2 week spell in October where with Potter at the helm Chelsea looked like they could be onto something but that 15 day period aside he's been a total disaster.
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Also every player who starts off looking lively is starting to decline...take that as you will.
posted on 20/2/23
Brighton couldn’t score for shiiiit
Neither can Chelsea.
Maybe he’s just not very good at coaching attackers.
posted on 20/2/23
11 points above the relegation zone. 11 points behind top 4.
posted on 20/2/23
Get Mourinho back.
Give the fans what they want. We want chequebook Mourinho to win another Premier League title almost purely for the antics and press conferences if he did manage it.
posted on 20/2/23
as a biproduct of this form , i see the most worrying development is tha club have just employed a super negotiater to attract bigger moe lucrative sponsorships as both of our main ones are due to finish in the summer. Who with big money will want to sponsor a team floundering with no apparant forward plan.
Now i loved it when Jose was in charge we new it wasnt always pretty to watch but damn it was effective. Not sure if he should come back, but we do need someone with some background. I really dont like zidane or enrique but maybe Pochetino as the players we have are young and ready. he did ok with spurs on a limited budget and with (sorry spurs) lower grade players maybe he could finish what he started, with us
posted on 20/2/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 16 minutes ago
Get Mourinho back.
Give the fans what they want. We want chequebook Mourinho to win another Premier League title almost purely for the antics and press conferences if he did manage it.
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I bet you do, sadly for you there's zero chance of that happening.
posted on 20/2/23
Im not saying that Chelsea should keep Potter, but managers especially those that play the game a different way to the previous regime get a bit of a raw deal.
Pre season is the time that the team need to knit together learn how the manager wants to play and the manager can plan the pre season to fit best with how his style gets implemented.
Potter has come in through the season into a very different club with a different mentality, who has then also brought in a load of new players from all over the world who dont know each other and he is expected to have that team competing against other settled teams that have had all season to gel and prepare.
Again not defending him and not sure he is right but its something that needs to be remembered. This problem seems to be exaggerated when you have a tactical manager and not a mainly motivate the players manager.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 16 minutes ago
Get Mourinho back.
Give the fans what they want. We want chequebook Mourinho to win another Premier League title almost purely for the antics and press conferences if he did manage it.
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I bet you do, sadly for you there's zero chance of that happening.
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Definitely more than zero percent chance.
posted on 20/2/23
An underperforming attack is on par for Potter teams though
posted on 20/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 15 minutes ago
Im not saying that Chelsea should keep Potter, but managers especially those that play the game a different way to the previous regime get a bit of a raw deal.
Pre season is the time that the team need to knit together learn how the manager wants to play and the manager can plan the pre season to fit best with how his style gets implemented.
Potter has come in through the season into a very different club with a different mentality, who has then also brought in a load of new players from all over the world who dont know each other and he is expected to have that team competing against other settled teams that have had all season to gel and prepare.
Again not defending him and not sure he is right but its something that needs to be remembered. This problem seems to be exaggerated when you have a tactical manager and not a mainly motivate the players manager.
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That would make sense if nearly every team ever didnt get a new manager bounce
posted on 20/2/23
which is common due to the new buzz, fresh start and the opposition have no previous games to research you.
Potter had that bounce effect also.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
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i will need to lean on some arsenal fans for perspective.
But nevin said guardiola and arteta struggled early on.
But surely there were signs? patterns of play, there certainly were with guardiola.
Also arteta took over a worse squad, in a worse position and still won the fa cup.
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It was all about the Cup win for Arteta.
He came in halfway through the season, on his first ever solo job. Employed an ultra defensive style of play that many fans didn't warm to. But he still won the Cup 5 months later, knocking out both Chelsea and City in the process.
Bought him a ton of goodwill.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 55 seconds ago
which is common due to the new buzz, fresh start and the opposition have no previous games to research you.
Potter had that bounce effect also.
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hmm short lived and a couple dead rubber games.Theres no reason, especially with the world cup break that potter has implemented nothing.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have to agree with this sadly. People say Arteta was given time but most managers aren't given time. And the best one don't need three seasons to see progress
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i will need to lean on some arsenal fans for perspective.
But nevin said guardiola and arteta struggled early on.
But surely there were signs? patterns of play, there certainly were with guardiola.
Also arteta took over a worse squad, in a worse position and still won the fa cup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With Klopp, Pep and now ETH, even if results weren't always brilliant initially you can visibly see signs or progress. I haven't seen much of Chelsea but apparently you have scored far less than you should have.
It will be interesting to see what happens but maybe it is worth giving him time.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 55 seconds ago
which is common due to the new buzz, fresh start and the opposition have no previous games to research you.
Potter had that bounce effect also.
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hmm short lived and a couple dead rubber games.Theres no reason, especially with the world cup break that potter has implemented nothing.
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like I said Im not saying Potter is the man for the job just that when owners appoint someone with a different style and outlook to the game that intends to change things and add into that a bunch of new players who know nothing of each other and expecting results is not a fair way to judge a manager IMO.
posted on 20/2/23
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.
compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).
Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.
It's damning stuff.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.
compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).
Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.
It's damning stuff.
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Both had much longer in the job than Potter though.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.
compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).
Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.
It's damning stuff.
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Both had much longer in the job than Potter though.
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with a much more settled squad
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