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comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
I think it'd be pretty mad to sack him.
Brighton 19/20 - 15th
Brighton 20/21 - 16th (massively underperforming xG)
Brighton 21/22 - 9th
and then 4th after 6 games when he left them this season
He's got a proven history of improving a side over the course of several seasons and implementing the kind of modern style that all the best top sides play. I really don't see how you can justify sacking what was clearly a long term hire after 6 months
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You don't get time at Chelsea or big clubs
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I think that's pretty outdated thinking - now you actually have to give a manager time. nobody has won the league in their first season since Conte in 2017. It takes time to get as good as city and Liverpool have been.
I just want to point out to a couple of posters on here that this is Arteta's first job in management ever (whereas Potter has been a manager for a lot longer), he won the FA Cup + Community Shield in his first 6 months, and has shown progress throughout his time here. Whether we can win the league is another question, but the fact we're even in the conversation is an achievement in itself, especially off the back of what happened the last 2 seasons. Arteta also wasn't given £600m+ to spend on some of the hottest property in Europe.
I'll be honest though and say I turned against Arteta during the 2020/21 season when we lost at home to Burnley and were 16th in the league. We were playing some truly turgid stuff, couldn't score and couldn't defend.
Even though I wanted him gone, he has managed to turn things around. But as others have said, it's very rare a manager at a top club gets given that amount of time. And I'm sure it'd be different if Arteta had been given that level of financial support that Potter had, yet had been performing equally badly.
Potter basically being granted a blank chequebook also means expectations and standards are higher. And whilst a transitional season was probably expected, his in-game management, incoherent style of play, tinkering with multiple systems, treatment of certain players and dull personality probably make it very hard to support him. With the talent Chelsea have, there's no way they should be this bad.
Previously, I would have said you need to ride the storm and give him a larger sample of games to establish whether he's the right man or not. However, losing at home to bottom-placed managerless Southampton suggest things are worse than I'd initially thought.
Unfortunately, I just don't think he's cut out for Chelsea. I still think he's an excellent coach, but this isn't the right fit for him.
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comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
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good for them
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so you agree with me , thanks for jumping in for no point and clearing that up.
lets transition onto a new point shall we?
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You didn’t make a point
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
I just want to point out to a couple of posters on here that this is Arteta's first job in management ever (whereas Potter has been a manager for a lot longer), he won the FA Cup + Community Shield in his first 6 months, and has shown progress throughout his time here. Whether we can win the league is another question, but the fact we're even in the conversation is an achievement in itself, especially off the back of what happened the last 2 seasons. Arteta also wasn't given £600m+ to spend on some of the hottest property in Europe.
I'll be honest though and say I turned against Arteta during the 2020/21 season when we lost at home to Burnley and were 16th in the league. We were playing some truly turgid stuff, couldn't score and couldn't defend.
Even though I wanted him gone, he has managed to turn things around. But as others have said, it's very rare a manager at a top club gets given that amount of time. And I'm sure it'd be different if Arteta had been given that level of financial support that Potter had, yet had been performing equally badly.
Potter basically being granted a blank chequebook also means expectations and standards are higher. And whilst a transitional season was probably expected, his in-game management, incoherent style of play, tinkering with multiple systems, treatment of certain players and dull personality probably make it very hard to support him. With the talent Chelsea have, there's no way they should be this bad.
Previously, I would have said you need to ride the storm and give him a larger sample of games to establish whether he's the right man or not. However, losing at home to bottom-placed managerless Southampton suggest things are worse than I'd initially thought.
Unfortunately, I just don't think he's cut out for Chelsea. I still think he's an excellent coach, but this isn't the right fit for him.
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This.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 11 hours ago
I just want to point out to a couple of posters on here that this is Arteta's first job in management ever (whereas Potter has been a manager for a lot longer), he won the FA Cup + Community Shield in his first 6 months, and has shown progress throughout his time here. Whether we can win the league is another question, but the fact we're even in the conversation is an achievement in itself, especially off the back of what happened the last 2 seasons. Arteta also wasn't given £600m+ to spend on some of the hottest property in Europe.
I'll be honest though and say I turned against Arteta during the 2020/21 season when we lost at home to Burnley and were 16th in the league. We were playing some truly turgid stuff, couldn't score and couldn't defend.
Even though I wanted him gone, he has managed to turn things around. But as others have said, it's very rare a manager at a top club gets given that amount of time. And I'm sure it'd be different if Arteta had been given that level of financial support that Potter had, yet had been performing equally badly.
Potter basically being granted a blank chequebook also means expectations and standards are higher. And whilst a transitional season was probably expected, his in-game management, incoherent style of play, tinkering with multiple systems, treatment of certain players and dull personality probably make it very hard to support him. With the talent Chelsea have, there's no way they should be this bad.
Previously, I would have said you need to ride the storm and give him a larger sample of games to establish whether he's the right man or not. However, losing at home to bottom-placed managerless Southampton suggest things are worse than I'd initially thought.
Unfortunately, I just don't think he's cut out for Chelsea. I still think he's an excellent coach, but this isn't the right fit for him.
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I was also in the Arteta out camp after the second season (and before that no doubt). Chelsea fans wondering whether there were signs I'm not sure there were many onfield ones.
Off field him and his team were doing well though, ridding the club of poor players who were so overpaid we'd often be giving them away. It was bold but that was at the time probably the one thing that gave me hope there was at least a particular destination in mind.
They were undoing the wrongs of the late Wenger years and Emery. What I couldn't see at all was how Arteta's tactics were going to lead us anywhere but needing to sack him, he looked out of his depth with the onfield side of things.
Absolutely brilliant that he's turned it around but I think there's a reason it's the exception rather than the rule.
We've also spent a huge amount on signings in the last few seasons, just because others have spent more shouldn't hide the fact we have spent like a club aiming for top honours even if it's not been on the most established names.
As for Potter, who knows. Things do look very broken at the moment, wonder if it's the players not respecting him?
Agree with most of what you said other then the first 3 points.
If anyone is to be blamed for rushing Chilwell and James back it is the medical department. The manager obviously listens to them. Like in our defeat against Southampton James and Silva didn’t play because the medical staff said it’d be a risk.
Chalobah was also putting in stinky performances. Koulibaly has now rightly been dropped for Badiashile.
Cucurella will obviously be given multiple chances when we’ve spent so much on him. It’s just how it is. Happens with every big signing. Also Hall can’t defend. Good to have Chilwell back.
comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
Agree with most of what you said other then the first 3 points.
If anyone is to be blamed for rushing Chilwell and James back it is the medical department. The manager obviously listens to them. Like in our defeat against Southampton James and Silva didn’t play because the medical staff said it’d be a risk.
Chalobah was also putting in stinky performances. Koulibaly has now rightly been dropped for Badiashile.
Cucurella will obviously be given multiple chances when we’ve spent so much on him. It’s just how it is. Happens with every big signing. Also Hall can’t defend. Good to have Chilwell back.
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This. If Cucu made same mistakes as Hall, he would get slaughtered
There has been progress, there will be more. We have Bern through a lot in the last 4 years and there has been a lor of disruption. Potter may be a bust, he may be successful. Personally I think its too early to judge but there is clearly progress. We have Bern unlucky in some games and but for a rash foul resulting in a goal from a great free kick Saturday could have been another story. Particularly if Sterling's attempts hadn't been blocked. The team is gelling and chances are being created and its getting close to coming together. The only things I'm not looking forward to on Sundsy is the walk and the queues.
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comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
I think it'd be pretty mad to sack him.
Brighton 19/20 - 15th
Brighton 20/21 - 16th (massively underperforming xG)
Brighton 21/22 - 9th
and then 4th after 6 games when he left them this season
He's got a proven history of improving a side over the course of several seasons and implementing the kind of modern style that all the best top sides play. I really don't see how you can justify sacking what was clearly a long term hire after 6 months
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You don't get time at Chelsea or big clubs
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And Arteta is showing why clubs shouldnt be so hasty
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Not yet he isn't. 3 seasons of rubbish followed by half a decent season. If he is successful for 3+ seasons winning league and EC then it is worth it.
Otherwise Chelsea's hire/fire win trophies approach is better
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Its not about better its about someone saying you dont get time at big clubs and me giving an example of why they shouldnt always be so hasty.
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Potter has few credentials. You want us to give him three years in case he can mount an as-yet unproven title challenge like Arteta.
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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where have I said that you should give Potter a 3 year deal?
I think you read what you choose to read. Iv said about 2/3 times that I think Potter is a punt being made at time to take one. The club going through a transition, if he turns out successful great if not its cheaper and easier to get rid and its easy to blame a relatively inexperienced manager at this level than the people behind the scenes and on the pitch who will remain after Potter is gone. Then when that happens things have settled down a bit behind the scenes, the players are more settled and know each other more and is a far more appealing job for another big manager. But that manager needs time just as the previous one before him needed more time.
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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I disagree. The short term mentality of the managerial merry go round approach has seen us become a diminishing force in the PL over the last 5 or 6 years while clubs like City and Pool who were doing things properly have pulled ahead.
Fortunately it seems that the new owners want to do things properly as well and lay some solid foundations for the future. It's not going to come together overnight and there will likely be more struggle ahead but it will be well worth it.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 44 minutes ago
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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I disagree. The short term mentality of the managerial merry go round approach has seen us become a diminishing force in the PL over the last 5 or 6 years while clubs like City and Pool who were doing things properly have pulled ahead.
Fortunately it seems that the new owners want to do things properly as well and lay some solid foundations for the future. It's not going to come together overnight and there will likely be more struggle ahead but it will be well worth it.
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If you have a proven successful coach like Pep or Klopp. But gambling three years on Potter is too big a risk imo
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 44 minutes ago
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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I disagree. The short term mentality of the managerial merry go round approach has seen us become a diminishing force in the PL over the last 5 or 6 years while clubs like City and Pool who were doing things properly have pulled ahead.
Fortunately it seems that the new owners want to do things properly as well and lay some solid foundations for the future. It's not going to come together overnight and there will likely be more struggle ahead but it will be well worth it.
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If you have a proven successful coach like Pep or Klopp. But gambling three years on Potter is too big a risk imo
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Time will tell although it's a decision that the owners made and I suspect they're going to stick with it for the foreseeable future.
Agree your stance Superb.
We all know that soon enough Potter and the quality lads he manages will eventually click and produce a decent run of winning games.
At that point there will be a lot of hat eating going on by the Potter out now brigade....
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Agree your stance Superb.
We all know that soon enough Potter and the quality lads he manages will eventually click and produce a decent run of winning games.
At that point there will be a lot of hat eating going on by the Potter out now brigade....
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Does that make Potter a good choice though?
Waiting until things 'eventually click'?
We didn't need to wait with Jose, TT, etc.
TT had just as many injuries, problems in background, no infrastructure, etc as Potter and got better resuilts
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comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Agree your stance Superb.
We all know that soon enough Potter and the quality lads he manages will eventually click and produce a decent run of winning games.
At that point there will be a lot of hat eating going on by the Potter out now brigade....
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Does that make Potter a good choice though?
Waiting until things 'eventually click'?
We didn't need to wait with Jose, TT, etc.
TT had just as many injuries, problems in background, no infrastructure, etc as Potter and got better resuilts
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none of them came in to a job with new owners, new board room, new staff, and 17 new first team players to all gel together at the same time.
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Agree with all this....Since we have to be patient anyway...lets all accept the positive stance where we can...devastatingly frustrating as it is ... the looked for rewards will come...
Toot Toot Tway ,common sense, mixed with pragmatism and realism ! .
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posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Are we playing more positive football though? for every dortmund game theres a southampton. We've signed an abundance of players so i'd expect some better attacking intent regardless but in terms of structured style of play, we're worse than at any time under tuchel imo.
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comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Are we playing more positive football though? for every dortmund game theres a southampton. We've signed an abundance of players so i'd expect some better attacking intent regardless but in terms of structured style of play, we're worse than at any time under tuchel imo.
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I don’t think the football is any better either
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comment by JFDI (U1657)
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comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Are we playing more positive football though? for every dortmund game theres a southampton. We've signed an abundance of players so i'd expect some better attacking intent regardless but in terms of structured style of play, we're worse than at any time under tuchel imo.
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I think so.
The Sunday match v Spurs at their patch will clarify the improvement question.
We have no wins in our last 5 games. Spurs have won 3 lost 2.
But we have not registered a loss to Spurs in our last 8 meetings.
Everyone remembers the last encounter with Spurs levelling late after being 2-0 down. And TT's handshake grip. Not to forget Cucu's goal mouth hair restyling.
Let's revisit the improvement question after this tasty encounter.
Both teams will be totally up for it.
Spurs desperate to stop the 0-8 winless run v us.
Chelsea will need to change the 0 wins in 5 stat.
Squeaky bum time for Potter and the lads in Blue!
Come Sunday we will have some answers.
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posted on 20/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
I think it'd be pretty mad to sack him.
Brighton 19/20 - 15th
Brighton 20/21 - 16th (massively underperforming xG)
Brighton 21/22 - 9th
and then 4th after 6 games when he left them this season
He's got a proven history of improving a side over the course of several seasons and implementing the kind of modern style that all the best top sides play. I really don't see how you can justify sacking what was clearly a long term hire after 6 months
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You don't get time at Chelsea or big clubs
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I think that's pretty outdated thinking - now you actually have to give a manager time. nobody has won the league in their first season since Conte in 2017. It takes time to get as good as city and Liverpool have been.
posted on 20/2/23
I just want to point out to a couple of posters on here that this is Arteta's first job in management ever (whereas Potter has been a manager for a lot longer), he won the FA Cup + Community Shield in his first 6 months, and has shown progress throughout his time here. Whether we can win the league is another question, but the fact we're even in the conversation is an achievement in itself, especially off the back of what happened the last 2 seasons. Arteta also wasn't given £600m+ to spend on some of the hottest property in Europe.
I'll be honest though and say I turned against Arteta during the 2020/21 season when we lost at home to Burnley and were 16th in the league. We were playing some truly turgid stuff, couldn't score and couldn't defend.
Even though I wanted him gone, he has managed to turn things around. But as others have said, it's very rare a manager at a top club gets given that amount of time. And I'm sure it'd be different if Arteta had been given that level of financial support that Potter had, yet had been performing equally badly.
Potter basically being granted a blank chequebook also means expectations and standards are higher. And whilst a transitional season was probably expected, his in-game management, incoherent style of play, tinkering with multiple systems, treatment of certain players and dull personality probably make it very hard to support him. With the talent Chelsea have, there's no way they should be this bad.
Previously, I would have said you need to ride the storm and give him a larger sample of games to establish whether he's the right man or not. However, losing at home to bottom-placed managerless Southampton suggest things are worse than I'd initially thought.
Unfortunately, I just don't think he's cut out for Chelsea. I still think he's an excellent coach, but this isn't the right fit for him.
posted on 20/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
good for them
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so you agree with me , thanks for jumping in for no point and clearing that up.
lets transition onto a new point shall we?
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You didn’t make a point
posted on 20/2/23
Good post Samir
posted on 20/2/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
I just want to point out to a couple of posters on here that this is Arteta's first job in management ever (whereas Potter has been a manager for a lot longer), he won the FA Cup + Community Shield in his first 6 months, and has shown progress throughout his time here. Whether we can win the league is another question, but the fact we're even in the conversation is an achievement in itself, especially off the back of what happened the last 2 seasons. Arteta also wasn't given £600m+ to spend on some of the hottest property in Europe.
I'll be honest though and say I turned against Arteta during the 2020/21 season when we lost at home to Burnley and were 16th in the league. We were playing some truly turgid stuff, couldn't score and couldn't defend.
Even though I wanted him gone, he has managed to turn things around. But as others have said, it's very rare a manager at a top club gets given that amount of time. And I'm sure it'd be different if Arteta had been given that level of financial support that Potter had, yet had been performing equally badly.
Potter basically being granted a blank chequebook also means expectations and standards are higher. And whilst a transitional season was probably expected, his in-game management, incoherent style of play, tinkering with multiple systems, treatment of certain players and dull personality probably make it very hard to support him. With the talent Chelsea have, there's no way they should be this bad.
Previously, I would have said you need to ride the storm and give him a larger sample of games to establish whether he's the right man or not. However, losing at home to bottom-placed managerless Southampton suggest things are worse than I'd initially thought.
Unfortunately, I just don't think he's cut out for Chelsea. I still think he's an excellent coach, but this isn't the right fit for him.
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This.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 11 hours ago
I just want to point out to a couple of posters on here that this is Arteta's first job in management ever (whereas Potter has been a manager for a lot longer), he won the FA Cup + Community Shield in his first 6 months, and has shown progress throughout his time here. Whether we can win the league is another question, but the fact we're even in the conversation is an achievement in itself, especially off the back of what happened the last 2 seasons. Arteta also wasn't given £600m+ to spend on some of the hottest property in Europe.
I'll be honest though and say I turned against Arteta during the 2020/21 season when we lost at home to Burnley and were 16th in the league. We were playing some truly turgid stuff, couldn't score and couldn't defend.
Even though I wanted him gone, he has managed to turn things around. But as others have said, it's very rare a manager at a top club gets given that amount of time. And I'm sure it'd be different if Arteta had been given that level of financial support that Potter had, yet had been performing equally badly.
Potter basically being granted a blank chequebook also means expectations and standards are higher. And whilst a transitional season was probably expected, his in-game management, incoherent style of play, tinkering with multiple systems, treatment of certain players and dull personality probably make it very hard to support him. With the talent Chelsea have, there's no way they should be this bad.
Previously, I would have said you need to ride the storm and give him a larger sample of games to establish whether he's the right man or not. However, losing at home to bottom-placed managerless Southampton suggest things are worse than I'd initially thought.
Unfortunately, I just don't think he's cut out for Chelsea. I still think he's an excellent coach, but this isn't the right fit for him.
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I was also in the Arteta out camp after the second season (and before that no doubt). Chelsea fans wondering whether there were signs I'm not sure there were many onfield ones.
Off field him and his team were doing well though, ridding the club of poor players who were so overpaid we'd often be giving them away. It was bold but that was at the time probably the one thing that gave me hope there was at least a particular destination in mind.
They were undoing the wrongs of the late Wenger years and Emery. What I couldn't see at all was how Arteta's tactics were going to lead us anywhere but needing to sack him, he looked out of his depth with the onfield side of things.
Absolutely brilliant that he's turned it around but I think there's a reason it's the exception rather than the rule.
We've also spent a huge amount on signings in the last few seasons, just because others have spent more shouldn't hide the fact we have spent like a club aiming for top honours even if it's not been on the most established names.
As for Potter, who knows. Things do look very broken at the moment, wonder if it's the players not respecting him?
posted on 21/2/23
Agree with most of what you said other then the first 3 points.
If anyone is to be blamed for rushing Chilwell and James back it is the medical department. The manager obviously listens to them. Like in our defeat against Southampton James and Silva didn’t play because the medical staff said it’d be a risk.
Chalobah was also putting in stinky performances. Koulibaly has now rightly been dropped for Badiashile.
Cucurella will obviously be given multiple chances when we’ve spent so much on him. It’s just how it is. Happens with every big signing. Also Hall can’t defend. Good to have Chilwell back.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
Agree with most of what you said other then the first 3 points.
If anyone is to be blamed for rushing Chilwell and James back it is the medical department. The manager obviously listens to them. Like in our defeat against Southampton James and Silva didn’t play because the medical staff said it’d be a risk.
Chalobah was also putting in stinky performances. Koulibaly has now rightly been dropped for Badiashile.
Cucurella will obviously be given multiple chances when we’ve spent so much on him. It’s just how it is. Happens with every big signing. Also Hall can’t defend. Good to have Chilwell back.
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This. If Cucu made same mistakes as Hall, he would get slaughtered
posted on 22/2/23
There has been progress, there will be more. We have Bern through a lot in the last 4 years and there has been a lor of disruption. Potter may be a bust, he may be successful. Personally I think its too early to judge but there is clearly progress. We have Bern unlucky in some games and but for a rash foul resulting in a goal from a great free kick Saturday could have been another story. Particularly if Sterling's attempts hadn't been blocked. The team is gelling and chances are being created and its getting close to coming together. The only things I'm not looking forward to on Sundsy is the walk and the queues.
posted on 22/2/23
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comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
I think it'd be pretty mad to sack him.
Brighton 19/20 - 15th
Brighton 20/21 - 16th (massively underperforming xG)
Brighton 21/22 - 9th
and then 4th after 6 games when he left them this season
He's got a proven history of improving a side over the course of several seasons and implementing the kind of modern style that all the best top sides play. I really don't see how you can justify sacking what was clearly a long term hire after 6 months
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You don't get time at Chelsea or big clubs
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And Arteta is showing why clubs shouldnt be so hasty
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Not yet he isn't. 3 seasons of rubbish followed by half a decent season. If he is successful for 3+ seasons winning league and EC then it is worth it.
Otherwise Chelsea's hire/fire win trophies approach is better
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Its not about better its about someone saying you dont get time at big clubs and me giving an example of why they shouldnt always be so hasty.
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Potter has few credentials. You want us to give him three years in case he can mount an as-yet unproven title challenge like Arteta.
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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where have I said that you should give Potter a 3 year deal?
I think you read what you choose to read. Iv said about 2/3 times that I think Potter is a punt being made at time to take one. The club going through a transition, if he turns out successful great if not its cheaper and easier to get rid and its easy to blame a relatively inexperienced manager at this level than the people behind the scenes and on the pitch who will remain after Potter is gone. Then when that happens things have settled down a bit behind the scenes, the players are more settled and know each other more and is a far more appealing job for another big manager. But that manager needs time just as the previous one before him needed more time.
posted on 22/2/23
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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I disagree. The short term mentality of the managerial merry go round approach has seen us become a diminishing force in the PL over the last 5 or 6 years while clubs like City and Pool who were doing things properly have pulled ahead.
Fortunately it seems that the new owners want to do things properly as well and lay some solid foundations for the future. It's not going to come together overnight and there will likely be more struggle ahead but it will be well worth it.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 44 minutes ago
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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I disagree. The short term mentality of the managerial merry go round approach has seen us become a diminishing force in the PL over the last 5 or 6 years while clubs like City and Pool who were doing things properly have pulled ahead.
Fortunately it seems that the new owners want to do things properly as well and lay some solid foundations for the future. It's not going to come together overnight and there will likely be more struggle ahead but it will be well worth it.
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If you have a proven successful coach like Pep or Klopp. But gambling three years on Potter is too big a risk imo
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 44 minutes ago
Give me merry go round all day long, It is a business model that works at Chelsea
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I disagree. The short term mentality of the managerial merry go round approach has seen us become a diminishing force in the PL over the last 5 or 6 years while clubs like City and Pool who were doing things properly have pulled ahead.
Fortunately it seems that the new owners want to do things properly as well and lay some solid foundations for the future. It's not going to come together overnight and there will likely be more struggle ahead but it will be well worth it.
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If you have a proven successful coach like Pep or Klopp. But gambling three years on Potter is too big a risk imo
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Time will tell although it's a decision that the owners made and I suspect they're going to stick with it for the foreseeable future.
posted on 22/2/23
Agree your stance Superb.
We all know that soon enough Potter and the quality lads he manages will eventually click and produce a decent run of winning games.
At that point there will be a lot of hat eating going on by the Potter out now brigade....
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Agree your stance Superb.
We all know that soon enough Potter and the quality lads he manages will eventually click and produce a decent run of winning games.
At that point there will be a lot of hat eating going on by the Potter out now brigade....
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Does that make Potter a good choice though?
Waiting until things 'eventually click'?
We didn't need to wait with Jose, TT, etc.
TT had just as many injuries, problems in background, no infrastructure, etc as Potter and got better resuilts
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
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comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Agree your stance Superb.
We all know that soon enough Potter and the quality lads he manages will eventually click and produce a decent run of winning games.
At that point there will be a lot of hat eating going on by the Potter out now brigade....
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Does that make Potter a good choice though?
Waiting until things 'eventually click'?
We didn't need to wait with Jose, TT, etc.
TT had just as many injuries, problems in background, no infrastructure, etc as Potter and got better resuilts
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none of them came in to a job with new owners, new board room, new staff, and 17 new first team players to all gel together at the same time.
posted on 22/2/23
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
posted on 23/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 55 minutes ago
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posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Agree with all this....Since we have to be patient anyway...lets all accept the positive stance where we can...devastatingly frustrating as it is ... the looked for rewards will come...
posted on 23/2/23
Toot Toot Tway ,common sense, mixed with pragmatism and realism ! .
posted on 23/2/23
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Are we playing more positive football though? for every dortmund game theres a southampton. We've signed an abundance of players so i'd expect some better attacking intent regardless but in terms of structured style of play, we're worse than at any time under tuchel imo.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
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comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Are we playing more positive football though? for every dortmund game theres a southampton. We've signed an abundance of players so i'd expect some better attacking intent regardless but in terms of structured style of play, we're worse than at any time under tuchel imo.
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I don’t think the football is any better either
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
Potter is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Surely it's best to take the positive position and believe he can turn things around and support our coach.
It would be so Chelsea , with our history of emotional roller coasting, and being at our best with odds agaInst , to actually see that happen.
I'll back Boehly and the board's decisions as they have shown their commitment to the cause and I have faith that they know what they are doing.
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I want to believe Potter can succeed. Just can’t see any signs yer
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We are playing more positive football, moving thr ball forward rather than sideways and backwards. We are playing a faster game and we are creating chances. The new guys are gelling which should see some of our offside goals converted to better timed runs and goals that will stand. We've also come up against some great defences that have cleared at least two certain goals plus not too mention the oustanding save from James free kick the other week. We have been a bit unlucky and they say you make your own luck. We are working on it.
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Are we playing more positive football though? for every dortmund game theres a southampton. We've signed an abundance of players so i'd expect some better attacking intent regardless but in terms of structured style of play, we're worse than at any time under tuchel imo.
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I think so.
posted on 23/2/23
The Sunday match v Spurs at their patch will clarify the improvement question.
We have no wins in our last 5 games. Spurs have won 3 lost 2.
But we have not registered a loss to Spurs in our last 8 meetings.
Everyone remembers the last encounter with Spurs levelling late after being 2-0 down. And TT's handshake grip. Not to forget Cucu's goal mouth hair restyling.
Let's revisit the improvement question after this tasty encounter.
Both teams will be totally up for it.
Spurs desperate to stop the 0-8 winless run v us.
Chelsea will need to change the 0 wins in 5 stat.
Squeaky bum time for Potter and the lads in Blue!
Come Sunday we will have some answers.
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