Has to be Poch imo. Only bloke who would get 99% of the fanbase on side. Did an incredible job last time, loves the club and fans, and surely Levy now knows not to fack it up again if we do well under him.
On paper, Tuchel is the best available manager. But as we've seen with mourinho and Conte that kind of manager doesn't work under the ENIC model.
I think Levy needs Pochettino because Levy needs a win to get fans off his back. I think there's more risk to Pochettino in terms of risking his Spurs legacy.
I love Pochettino, and I would be happy to see him back. My only reservation is that it ended pretty horribly last time and it will only go the same way this time unless Levy changes his approach, and that seems unlikely. Hopefully Pochettino has smartened up a bit and comes with a set of non-negotiable transfer demands.
I'm also very conscious that it took a long time for Pochettino to clear the deadwood and imprint his style on the players he liked. Fans would need to give him the same amount of breathing room to make the necessary changes this time too. God knows there's plenty of deadwood to clear and I don't see him being able to coax a new high-pressing tune out of the jaded old guard who have stayed well past their sell-by date.
I'd say I'm positive about the idea on the whole but I'm realistic that it won't bring immediate success and I'm wary that unless Levy changes it'll only end the same way again. We'll see. It would at least feel less dreary and doomed than the current era and it would make me feel more positive about the club generally than at any time since Pochettino's last season at Spurs.
Fine with Poch... anyone but Conte... No more pragmatic, overly cautious ex chelsea managers pls
Nothing against Poch, but seems lazy recruitment again for me, very similar to Mourinho, Nuno, Conte ie first cab of the rank, I'd like to think that scouting/recruitment team have really looked at all options and not gone for the easiest, cheapest option
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Not to pizz on your parade Don but I think the JPB article was an informed piece about Conte going but the list of potential replacements is very much opinion only.
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Happy if he is appointed. As I have said previously, him and Levy know either inside out. If he comes back surely he has a strong hand, as the club would be asking him to return. Must have some reassurances the things he wasn’t happy about previously, won’t be a problem this time around.
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comment by Number 8 (U9729)
posted 6 minutes ago
🚨 NEW: It is far from clear whether Fabio Paratici will select #thfc's next manager.
Even during the appointment of Antonio Conte, Paratici had little say and found out late in the process, with Daniel Levy driving that deal. |
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Good. Paratici had his chance and he came up with Fonseca, Gattuso and Nuno. I'd much rather trust Levy with this decision as he's more likely to choose someone aligned with club philosophy. For all his mistakes he understands what we are more than FP. The signing of Djed Spence is clearly a Levy deal and I think he represents a signing we should have made. At the heart of it, he knows who we are. It's just that he gets distracted by medals and reputation too much.
It's pretty much the only thing that would get me excited about Spurs again. Get him back in. Back him. Try and get some optimism back.
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
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But you could argue that even if Levy doesn't change the way he operates, Poch represents the best choice of the available candidates because he's proved he CAN do the job under those restrictions. In fact, if Levy doesn't change, it reinforces the need for Poch.
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posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
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But you could argue that even if Levy doesn't change the way he operates, Poch represents the best choice of the available candidates because he's proved he CAN do the job under those restrictions. In fact, if Levy doesn't change, it reinforces the need for Poch.
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Yes. And then we'll find ourselves back to square one in 4-5 years again when the squad doesn't get the required investment to kick on.
Then again, it'll be the same position regardless of manager as long as Levy/ENIC are there, so... Who fecking cares
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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
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But you could argue that even if Levy doesn't change the way he operates, Poch represents the best choice of the available candidates because he's proved he CAN do the job under those restrictions. In fact, if Levy doesn't change, it reinforces the need for Poch.
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Yes. And then we'll find ourselves back to square one in 4-5 years again when the squad doesn't get the required investment to kick on.
Then again, it'll be the same position regardless of manager as long as Levy/ENIC are there, so... Who fecking cares
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I agree.
What we all need to realise (which I think we all do by the way) is that as far as Levy/ENIC are concerned, the business model is working.
- challenge for top 4 and benefit from increased revenues if achieved.
- spend as little on players as possible. Ignore top targets and sign cheaper options (preferably with sell on value).
- exploit the stadium's ability to achieve increased revenues from other sources (NFL, boxing, concerts, etc.).
- don't worry about squad depth because domestic trophies don't bring in significant revenues.
- rinse & repeat.
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
If not Tim Sherwood, then surely Poch?
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posted 14 minutes ago
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
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That doesn't really tell us anything that we don't already know.
There's two ways of looking at it. If Poch thinks he's going to waltz in to a top job and have autonomy, he's dreaming. The days of total control are long gone and for good reason. That said, I'm reading this statement as Paratici departing rather than a it representing an issue with Poch coming in.
If we are going in a different direction then we need a sporting director that shares that philosophy. I'd sooner see Poch come in and he and Levy can then discuss the most suitable candidate for the Sporting Director position. They HAVE to be aligned. Levy and Poch are on the same page. That's two versus one. Paratici is far more likely to be the one sidelined, particularly with a criminal investigation looming.
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posted 22 minutes ago
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
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Why would a manager not want to be king of the training ground as you put it, surely thats his job
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 22 minutes ago
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
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Why would a manager not want to be king of the training ground as you put it, surely thats his job
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As I put it? It's a quote Karen.
It's a bit weirdly worded - Twitter character limit - but presumably the point is that the training ground (which the manager is in charge of) comes within the overall "football side of the club" (which Paratici is in charge of)
In other words, Paratici would be Pochettino's boss. So even if Pochettino was in charge of day-to-day training, Paratici (as DoF in charge of all football matters) would still have oversight and ultimate authority on footballing decisions.
This is why some managers don't like the DoF setup.
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posted on 7/3/23
Has to be Poch imo. Only bloke who would get 99% of the fanbase on side. Did an incredible job last time, loves the club and fans, and surely Levy now knows not to fack it up again if we do well under him.
On paper, Tuchel is the best available manager. But as we've seen with mourinho and Conte that kind of manager doesn't work under the ENIC model.
posted on 7/3/23
I think Levy needs Pochettino because Levy needs a win to get fans off his back. I think there's more risk to Pochettino in terms of risking his Spurs legacy.
I love Pochettino, and I would be happy to see him back. My only reservation is that it ended pretty horribly last time and it will only go the same way this time unless Levy changes his approach, and that seems unlikely. Hopefully Pochettino has smartened up a bit and comes with a set of non-negotiable transfer demands.
I'm also very conscious that it took a long time for Pochettino to clear the deadwood and imprint his style on the players he liked. Fans would need to give him the same amount of breathing room to make the necessary changes this time too. God knows there's plenty of deadwood to clear and I don't see him being able to coax a new high-pressing tune out of the jaded old guard who have stayed well past their sell-by date.
I'd say I'm positive about the idea on the whole but I'm realistic that it won't bring immediate success and I'm wary that unless Levy changes it'll only end the same way again. We'll see. It would at least feel less dreary and doomed than the current era and it would make me feel more positive about the club generally than at any time since Pochettino's last season at Spurs.
posted on 7/3/23
Fine with Poch... anyone but Conte... No more pragmatic, overly cautious ex chelsea managers pls
posted on 7/3/23
Nothing against Poch, but seems lazy recruitment again for me, very similar to Mourinho, Nuno, Conte ie first cab of the rank, I'd like to think that scouting/recruitment team have really looked at all options and not gone for the easiest, cheapest option
posted on 7/3/23
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posted on 7/3/23
Not to pizz on your parade Don but I think the JPB article was an informed piece about Conte going but the list of potential replacements is very much opinion only.
posted on 7/3/23
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posted on 7/3/23
Happy if he is appointed. As I have said previously, him and Levy know either inside out. If he comes back surely he has a strong hand, as the club would be asking him to return. Must have some reassurances the things he wasn’t happy about previously, won’t be a problem this time around.
posted on 7/3/23
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posted on 7/3/23
comment by Number 8 (U9729)
posted 6 minutes ago
🚨 NEW: It is far from clear whether Fabio Paratici will select #thfc's next manager.
Even during the appointment of Antonio Conte, Paratici had little say and found out late in the process, with Daniel Levy driving that deal. |
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Good. Paratici had his chance and he came up with Fonseca, Gattuso and Nuno. I'd much rather trust Levy with this decision as he's more likely to choose someone aligned with club philosophy. For all his mistakes he understands what we are more than FP. The signing of Djed Spence is clearly a Levy deal and I think he represents a signing we should have made. At the heart of it, he knows who we are. It's just that he gets distracted by medals and reputation too much.
posted on 7/3/23
It's pretty much the only thing that would get me excited about Spurs again. Get him back in. Back him. Try and get some optimism back.
posted on 7/3/23
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
posted on 7/3/23
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
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But you could argue that even if Levy doesn't change the way he operates, Poch represents the best choice of the available candidates because he's proved he CAN do the job under those restrictions. In fact, if Levy doesn't change, it reinforces the need for Poch.
posted on 7/3/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you could argue that even if Levy doesn't change the way he operates, Poch represents the best choice of the available candidates because he's proved he CAN do the job under those restrictions. In fact, if Levy doesn't change, it reinforces the need for Poch.
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Yes. And then we'll find ourselves back to square one in 4-5 years again when the squad doesn't get the required investment to kick on.
Then again, it'll be the same position regardless of manager as long as Levy/ENIC are there, so... Who fecking cares
posted on 7/3/23
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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd be happy for Poch to be reappointed, but in my heart of hearts I don't think it will work.
The main reason I was excited about Conte's appointment was because I thought it meant that Levy would change his ways and that Conte would not have accepted the role without assurances. We all know what followed.
The same arguments are being used regarding Poch's re-appointment and recent history has shown us that a leopard (Levy) doesn't change it's spots.
I guess the main upside is that Poch would play a more expansive, progressive and exciting brand of football, but will he give domestic cups priority?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you could argue that even if Levy doesn't change the way he operates, Poch represents the best choice of the available candidates because he's proved he CAN do the job under those restrictions. In fact, if Levy doesn't change, it reinforces the need for Poch.
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Yes. And then we'll find ourselves back to square one in 4-5 years again when the squad doesn't get the required investment to kick on.
Then again, it'll be the same position regardless of manager as long as Levy/ENIC are there, so... Who fecking cares
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I agree.
What we all need to realise (which I think we all do by the way) is that as far as Levy/ENIC are concerned, the business model is working.
- challenge for top 4 and benefit from increased revenues if achieved.
- spend as little on players as possible. Ignore top targets and sign cheaper options (preferably with sell on value).
- exploit the stadium's ability to achieve increased revenues from other sources (NFL, boxing, concerts, etc.).
- don't worry about squad depth because domestic trophies don't bring in significant revenues.
- rinse & repeat.
posted on 7/3/23
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
posted on 7/3/23
If not Tim Sherwood, then surely Poch?
posted on 7/3/23
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 14 minutes ago
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
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That doesn't really tell us anything that we don't already know.
There's two ways of looking at it. If Poch thinks he's going to waltz in to a top job and have autonomy, he's dreaming. The days of total control are long gone and for good reason. That said, I'm reading this statement as Paratici departing rather than a it representing an issue with Poch coming in.
If we are going in a different direction then we need a sporting director that shares that philosophy. I'd sooner see Poch come in and he and Levy can then discuss the most suitable candidate for the Sporting Director position. They HAVE to be aligned. Levy and Poch are on the same page. That's two versus one. Paratici is far more likely to be the one sidelined, particularly with a criminal investigation looming.
posted on 7/3/23
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 22 minutes ago
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
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Why would a manager not want to be king of the training ground as you put it, surely thats his job
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posted on 7/3/23
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 22 minutes ago
NEW: Fabio Paratici and Mauricio Pochettino working at #thfc together seems unlikely.
It would be about a battle for power with Pochettino wanting to be king of the training ground which could undermine Paratici, who runs the football side of the club. | @TheAthleticFC
Lol
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Why would a manager not want to be king of the training ground as you put it, surely thats his job
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As I put it? It's a quote Karen.
posted on 7/3/23
It's a bit weirdly worded - Twitter character limit - but presumably the point is that the training ground (which the manager is in charge of) comes within the overall "football side of the club" (which Paratici is in charge of)
In other words, Paratici would be Pochettino's boss. So even if Pochettino was in charge of day-to-day training, Paratici (as DoF in charge of all football matters) would still have oversight and ultimate authority on footballing decisions.
This is why some managers don't like the DoF setup.
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