You could be wrong, you could be right.
A post from Jonty dripping with negativity about the team he claims to support. There's a surprise.
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
you seem to be forgetting we no longer have a total fraud of a manager.
nine points seems incredible low, i'll counter that with 15.
but that still could be a bit low.
A very negative article to say the least!
Why did the “cheeries v drearies” debate from a while back come into my head 🤔
On paper 9pts is what I'd suggest is the minimum - 15pts the maximum. So I'm happy to settle for halfway: 12pts. The question then is, will the resulting 35pts be enough to keep us up? As said before, I think this is going to come down to goal average.
It seems being realistic is being negative, the crazy optimism on this site is just ridiculous, some even saying we'll stay up comfortably.
Think even 9 points (which won't be enough) is a big ask. Think we'll finish rock bottom.
Was thinking about just this yesterday, taking the games in groups of threes.
Southampton, Chelsea and Brighton - 4 points is decent.
Wolves, Arsenal and Forest - Should be getting 4 points there.
Palace, Liverpool and Fulham - Again 4 points isn't unreasonable.
Leicester, Bournemouth and City - 4 points...why not!
Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs - Probably our toughest set of three, but if we are on 35 points going into these it might take the pressure off a bit.
Predicting we'll pick up 9 points from our remaining 12. Not sure that's enough. We ain't good enough for this league for a second consecutive season. We got away with it last time, we might do again, but what's to say we won't struggle next season too .....
Wolves - Draw
Arsenal - lol
Forest - Win
Palace - Draw
Liverpool - Loss
Fulham - Loss
Leicester - Draw
Bournemouth - Draw
Man C - Loss
Newcastle - Draw
West Ham - Loss
Bottlingham - Draw
We've only won 5 league games all season and people think we're just going to rock up and match that in our final 12
I was just going to reply to Lowfields’ comments - but I think Jonty has removed it. What is wrong with trying to keep the faith until it is mathematically impossible for us to stay up? I don’t want to be completely miserable from now until May! I shall be hoping and praying that we can do another “great escape” and then maybe the 49ers will be in charge and things could improve with new owners.
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 14 minutes ago
Predicting we'll pick up 9 points from our remaining 12. Not sure that's enough. We ain't good enough for this league for a second consecutive season. We got away with it last time, we might do again, but what's to say we won't struggle next season too .....
Wolves - Draw
Arsenal - lol
Forest - Win
Palace - Draw
Liverpool - Loss
Fulham - Loss
Leicester - Draw
Bournemouth - Draw
Man C - Loss
Newcastle - Draw
West Ham - Loss
Bottlingham - Draw
We've only won 5 league games all season and people think we're just going to rock up and match that in our final 12
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Why not! We went 4-3-5 for 15 points last season with the totally inept (lucky) Jesse Marsch.
Facing facts and being realistic is called being negative?
I would say 12 points could be realistic but that is an opinion. We all have them and use them on JA606.
Does being positive and say 16 pts is possible make someone unrealistic.
Proof will be shown at the end of the season.
My view will will have a couple of points in hand of safety.
Lots of big relegation battles in that run, with some run of the mill defeats.
We’re not good enough for this league, as Shaun says and I totally agree. It’s down to board level being out of their depth with out one off masterstroke Bielsa overachieving beyond belief and when chairman’s eyes light up at value of Raphinha and Phillips, we were never going to build a squad good enough to stay up long term.
As it stands, we look like a relegated team, but you never know and hopefully we get some new leadership from people who know what they’re doing.
comment by Penshawdave (U1894)
posted 13 minutes ago
Facing facts and being realistic is called being negative?
I would say 12 points could be realistic but that is an opinion. We all have them and use them on JA606.
Does being positive and say 16 pts is possible make someone unrealistic.
Proof will be shown at the end of the season.
My view will will have a couple of points in hand of safety.
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Dave you know how i make my picks in the KOP.
All heart no head. but i honestly think the team is improving with gracia and 15 pts will be the minimum.
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
I take the comments on this board in a lighthearted manner, as I try & do with all forms of social media. We all have opinions which vary wildly.
One thing which keeps making me smile is how many still talk about Bielsa as though last season never happened. He was brilliant for the club overall, obviously, but at this stage last season our goal difference was an absolutely staggering minus 31!!!! How did we end up staying up?
For the record, I firmly believe there are at least 3 sides worse than us this season & we'll be fine.
comment by MaidinLeeds (U2464)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
I was just going to reply to Lowfields’ comments - but I think Jonty has removed it. What is wrong with trying to keep the faith until it is mathematically impossible for us to stay up? I don’t want to be completely miserable from now until May! I shall be hoping and praying that we can do another “great escape” and then maybe the 49ers will be in charge and things could improve with new owners.
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Haven't deleted anyone's comments.
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
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I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by MaidinLeeds (U2464)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
I was just going to reply to Lowfields’ comments - but I think Jonty has removed it. What is wrong with trying to keep the faith until it is mathematically impossible for us to stay up? I don’t want to be completely miserable from now until May! I shall be hoping and praying that we can do another “great escape” and then maybe the 49ers will be in charge and things could improve with new owners.
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Haven't deleted anyone's comments.
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You couldn't make it up, Jonty! I have Lowfields filtered and that’s why it disappeared. I had completely forgotten.
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
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We weren't second from bottom after this number of matches last season, we were third bottom.
The second bottom team (the position we're in now) was relegated.
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
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All Leed fans on this board don't want relegation. The long years spent in the lower regions were painful. Jonty is as passionate about this club as all fans on this board. Negative comments about other fans does the club no favours.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
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We weren't second from bottom after this number of matches last season, we were third bottom.
The second bottom team (the position we're in now) was relegated.
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4/3/2022
26 played 5 wins 13 losses 23 points 0.88 pts/game
38 played 9 wins 18 losses 38 points
So after 5 wins 8 draws from 26 games, we then got 4 wins 3 draws from last 12. That’s 15 pts from 12= 1.25pts/game
This is why you can’t base what’s gone before as a guide to want will happen. Don’t they put that warning on investments purchases?
13/3/2023
26 played 5 wins 13 losses 23 points -10gd
Exactly the same situation.
Not sure that League position as at March is particularly relevant. We’d have gone down last year without what we did in the last 12 games and it wasn’t helpful that there were only 6 teams in the mire, ie. 50:50 chance of going down or staying up. This year there’s 9 teams in the mire… so 2/3rd of those will escape…
my personal view?? Those teams who get more than a point a game have got a chance of staying up. Those that don’t, will probably go down.
Will we?
🤷♂️
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
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We weren't second from bottom after this number of matches last season, we were third bottom.
The second bottom team (the position we're in now) was relegated.
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Watford and Norwich were well adrift at this point, last year was one out of five...this year is any three from nine. I keep telling myself that we just have to be marginally better than we have been so far this season and we'll escape. Also, agree with Penshawdave...we all want the same thing, opinions will differ and even though I disagree with some I respect them.
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posted on 13/3/23
You could be wrong, you could be right.
posted on 13/3/23
A post from Jonty dripping with negativity about the team he claims to support. There's a surprise.
posted on 13/3/23
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
posted on 13/3/23
you seem to be forgetting we no longer have a total fraud of a manager.
nine points seems incredible low, i'll counter that with 15.
but that still could be a bit low.
posted on 13/3/23
A very negative article to say the least!
posted on 13/3/23
Why did the “cheeries v drearies” debate from a while back come into my head 🤔
posted on 13/3/23
On paper 9pts is what I'd suggest is the minimum - 15pts the maximum. So I'm happy to settle for halfway: 12pts. The question then is, will the resulting 35pts be enough to keep us up? As said before, I think this is going to come down to goal average.
posted on 13/3/23
It seems being realistic is being negative, the crazy optimism on this site is just ridiculous, some even saying we'll stay up comfortably.
Think even 9 points (which won't be enough) is a big ask. Think we'll finish rock bottom.
posted on 13/3/23
Was thinking about just this yesterday, taking the games in groups of threes.
Southampton, Chelsea and Brighton - 4 points is decent.
Wolves, Arsenal and Forest - Should be getting 4 points there.
Palace, Liverpool and Fulham - Again 4 points isn't unreasonable.
Leicester, Bournemouth and City - 4 points...why not!
Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs - Probably our toughest set of three, but if we are on 35 points going into these it might take the pressure off a bit.
posted on 13/3/23
Predicting we'll pick up 9 points from our remaining 12. Not sure that's enough. We ain't good enough for this league for a second consecutive season. We got away with it last time, we might do again, but what's to say we won't struggle next season too .....
Wolves - Draw
Arsenal - lol
Forest - Win
Palace - Draw
Liverpool - Loss
Fulham - Loss
Leicester - Draw
Bournemouth - Draw
Man C - Loss
Newcastle - Draw
West Ham - Loss
Bottlingham - Draw
We've only won 5 league games all season and people think we're just going to rock up and match that in our final 12
posted on 13/3/23
I was just going to reply to Lowfields’ comments - but I think Jonty has removed it. What is wrong with trying to keep the faith until it is mathematically impossible for us to stay up? I don’t want to be completely miserable from now until May! I shall be hoping and praying that we can do another “great escape” and then maybe the 49ers will be in charge and things could improve with new owners.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 14 minutes ago
Predicting we'll pick up 9 points from our remaining 12. Not sure that's enough. We ain't good enough for this league for a second consecutive season. We got away with it last time, we might do again, but what's to say we won't struggle next season too .....
Wolves - Draw
Arsenal - lol
Forest - Win
Palace - Draw
Liverpool - Loss
Fulham - Loss
Leicester - Draw
Bournemouth - Draw
Man C - Loss
Newcastle - Draw
West Ham - Loss
Bottlingham - Draw
We've only won 5 league games all season and people think we're just going to rock up and match that in our final 12
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Why not! We went 4-3-5 for 15 points last season with the totally inept (lucky) Jesse Marsch.
posted on 13/3/23
Facing facts and being realistic is called being negative?
I would say 12 points could be realistic but that is an opinion. We all have them and use them on JA606.
Does being positive and say 16 pts is possible make someone unrealistic.
Proof will be shown at the end of the season.
My view will will have a couple of points in hand of safety.
posted on 13/3/23
Lots of big relegation battles in that run, with some run of the mill defeats.
We’re not good enough for this league, as Shaun says and I totally agree. It’s down to board level being out of their depth with out one off masterstroke Bielsa overachieving beyond belief and when chairman’s eyes light up at value of Raphinha and Phillips, we were never going to build a squad good enough to stay up long term.
As it stands, we look like a relegated team, but you never know and hopefully we get some new leadership from people who know what they’re doing.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by Penshawdave (U1894)
posted 13 minutes ago
Facing facts and being realistic is called being negative?
I would say 12 points could be realistic but that is an opinion. We all have them and use them on JA606.
Does being positive and say 16 pts is possible make someone unrealistic.
Proof will be shown at the end of the season.
My view will will have a couple of points in hand of safety.
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Dave you know how i make my picks in the KOP.
All heart no head. but i honestly think the team is improving with gracia and 15 pts will be the minimum.
posted on 13/3/23
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
posted on 13/3/23
I take the comments on this board in a lighthearted manner, as I try & do with all forms of social media. We all have opinions which vary wildly.
One thing which keeps making me smile is how many still talk about Bielsa as though last season never happened. He was brilliant for the club overall, obviously, but at this stage last season our goal difference was an absolutely staggering minus 31!!!! How did we end up staying up?
For the record, I firmly believe there are at least 3 sides worse than us this season & we'll be fine.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by MaidinLeeds (U2464)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
I was just going to reply to Lowfields’ comments - but I think Jonty has removed it. What is wrong with trying to keep the faith until it is mathematically impossible for us to stay up? I don’t want to be completely miserable from now until May! I shall be hoping and praying that we can do another “great escape” and then maybe the 49ers will be in charge and things could improve with new owners.
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Haven't deleted anyone's comments.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
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I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
posted on 13/3/23
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by MaidinLeeds (U2464)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
I was just going to reply to Lowfields’ comments - but I think Jonty has removed it. What is wrong with trying to keep the faith until it is mathematically impossible for us to stay up? I don’t want to be completely miserable from now until May! I shall be hoping and praying that we can do another “great escape” and then maybe the 49ers will be in charge and things could improve with new owners.
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Haven't deleted anyone's comments.
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You couldn't make it up, Jonty! I have Lowfields filtered and that’s why it disappeared. I had completely forgotten.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
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We weren't second from bottom after this number of matches last season, we were third bottom.
The second bottom team (the position we're in now) was relegated.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
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All Leed fans on this board don't want relegation. The long years spent in the lower regions were painful. Jonty is as passionate about this club as all fans on this board. Negative comments about other fans does the club no favours.
posted on 13/3/23
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
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We weren't second from bottom after this number of matches last season, we were third bottom.
The second bottom team (the position we're in now) was relegated.
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4/3/2022
26 played 5 wins 13 losses 23 points 0.88 pts/game
38 played 9 wins 18 losses 38 points
So after 5 wins 8 draws from 26 games, we then got 4 wins 3 draws from last 12. That’s 15 pts from 12= 1.25pts/game
This is why you can’t base what’s gone before as a guide to want will happen. Don’t they put that warning on investments purchases?
13/3/2023
26 played 5 wins 13 losses 23 points -10gd
Exactly the same situation.
Not sure that League position as at March is particularly relevant. We’d have gone down last year without what we did in the last 12 games and it wasn’t helpful that there were only 6 teams in the mire, ie. 50:50 chance of going down or staying up. This year there’s 9 teams in the mire… so 2/3rd of those will escape…
my personal view?? Those teams who get more than a point a game have got a chance of staying up. Those that don’t, will probably go down.
Will we?
🤷♂️
posted on 13/3/23
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago.
“None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality “
……. I don’t think anyone is denying relegation might happen and that it could be a reality. I actually just think people are different and some will take that as a given, we’re down, and others prefer to be hopeful.
The problem is not with posting one’s opinion, it’s actually that some try and push their opinion on, or ridicule, those with the opposite view.
“ and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.”
Actually I thought our position is EXACTLY the same as last season in terms of games/points? but actually maybe it’s better ….in that last year the teams below us had games in hand and there were less teams in the relegation area.
And the fact we did get out of that predicament means there’s the chance we can get out of it this season…. or we might not 🤷♂️
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We weren't second from bottom after this number of matches last season, we were third bottom.
The second bottom team (the position we're in now) was relegated.
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Watford and Norwich were well adrift at this point, last year was one out of five...this year is any three from nine. I keep telling myself that we just have to be marginally better than we have been so far this season and we'll escape. Also, agree with Penshawdave...we all want the same thing, opinions will differ and even though I disagree with some I respect them.
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