Maybe for balance put up all the others teams fixtures.
This season our GD is worth a point too.
It's going to be tough but the point against a good Brighton side gave me reason for belief and of the remaining fixtures I will only realistically concede probable defeats to Arsenal and City - the rest, more hopeful we can compete against as they are all proving inconsistent and points can be pinched. A recent tighter more disciplined defence is a start.
Need something from the Wolves game as a must.
Its always funny when people say this, that and crap against whatever we have to do, but, people should also say what those around us have to do!..
Shit on what the likes off lowfields say, he'll talk in the wrong direction anything Leeds out off his ass!..
We are not the only ones down here, and the maths are still being counted!..
When that say's we cant go no further than ok, but until then we should try standing behind our players and let the 12th man know where we stand!..
I'm flat out depressed over this season.
But, I hope to God the lads who wear the shirt pull off
yet another miracle and we stay up. I know we'll all be
united in outright hysteria if that happens.
There are a lot more teams involved in the relegation battle this season. Could be any number of teams relegated. Stupid to have the mentality of 'we are already relegated'. Rodrigo us back, we might have Sinisterra as well soon. Plenty of reasons to think we might somehow just manage to scrape ourselves out of it.
What’s the difference between a pessimist and an optimist ?
The outcome is the same but the optimist has a better time until the outcome is determined.
I am going to enjoy this time.
Basing my opinion on absolutely nothing at all, I think you'll just about scrape safety.
When was the last time a team that were second from bottom after 26 games stayed up?
Certainly not in the last 5 years, I didn't bother looking further back than that.
Of course it's not a certainty, but as each game goes by we are less and less able to extricate ourselves from this mess.
Think things are slightly different this year - 12th to us only 4 points difference, third from bottom constantly changing.
3rd from bottom is the team that can sometimes escape, second from bottom at this stage never seems to escape.
No one is adrift yet this year so anything possible.
Jonty might be right that those in the relegation positions as at a certain time historically are more likely to go down. But as I said in my thread above… past isn’t always a guide to the future… we know that better than anyone….. “top at Christmas in the Championship gets promotion” !!👀
However, as everyone says, mathematics and probability say that the important factors should be :
points already earned;
games left to play;
number of teams in the mix;
injuries or suspensions to important players;
league position of opposition;
strength of opposition, and whether they’re at home or away
When you put all that together it doesn’t seem logical to say that your league position as at 13 March is more likely to sway the end result
It’s not often the bottom five have three teams with only -9 -10 and -11 points. Usually everyone at this stage has a much worse average.
Those teams with -17 to 26 are potentially a point behind Leicester, Leeds and West Ham. My three to go will be from those with the worst goal difference I think.
Southampton-21
Bournemouth-26
Everton-18
Wolves-17
Forest—26
However looking at other teams fans - Leicester think they are gone. Forest are very very worried too.
I think I’ll go Southampton, Bournemouth and Forest but to be honest it’s perm any three from nine at the moment.
I’m concerned but I will be going to every home game with the expectation of a win. Three home games in a row next month. That could be our saviour?
Forest, Palace, Liverpool on the bounce with Leicester thrown in later that month. All winnable home games.
Massive massive month for us.
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 8 minutes ago
Jonty might be right that those in the relegation positions as at a certain time historically are more likely to go down. But as I said in my thread above… past isn’t always a guide to the future… we know that better than anyone….. “top at Christmas in the Championship gets promotion” !!👀
However, as everyone says, mathematics and probability say that the important factors should be :
points already earned;
games left to play;
number of teams in the mix;
injuries or suspensions to important players;
league position of opposition;
strength of opposition, and whether they’re at home or away
When you put all that together it doesn’t seem logical to say that your league position as at 13 March is more likely to sway the end result
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I seem to remember a stat that said every team top at Xmas usually won the league.
I think we proved that one wrong if I remember rightly.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
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I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
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In all honesty Jonty I totally get where your post is coming from. I've no science to back it up, or the energy/curiosity to look at previous stats to support history one way or another. I've just seen in the last couple of home games what appears to me an improving and more solid looking side. Brighton was always going to be tricky, they're as good a side I've seen play this season, maybe bar Man C.
For weeks/months we've had results where with a better striker we'd have won in my view. We now appear to have more available in that part of the pitch and maybe, just maybe, that goal on Saturday might give Bamford some mojo back.
We've put ourselves in the mire, but I do think we can and will get out of it.
It's all opinions .... I do get yours, but i'm a cheerie at heart .......
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
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I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
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In all honesty Jonty I totally get where your post is coming from. I've no science to back it up, or the energy/curiosity to look at previous stats to support history one way or another. I've just seen in the last couple of home games what appears to me an improving and more solid looking side. Brighton was always going to be tricky, they're as good a side I've seen play this season, maybe bar Man C.
For weeks/months we've had results where with a better striker we'd have won in my view. We now appear to have more available in that part of the pitch and maybe, just maybe, that goal on Saturday might give Bamford some mojo back.
We've put ourselves in the mire, but I do think we can and will get out of it.
It's all opinions .... I do get yours, but i'm a cheerie at heart .......
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Bamford looked a different player after he scored.
comment by Penshawdave (U1894)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
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All Leed fans on this board don't want relegation. The long years spent in the lower regions were painful. Jonty is as passionate about this club as all fans on this board. Negative comments about other fans does the club no favours.
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Constant negativity even when we are doing well is Jonty's motto..........there were always little underhand comments even under Bielsa taking aim at someone and refusal to give credit.
Some people just enjoy things going wrong, Jonty is one of them because it strokes his ego if he's proven right.............hence his love of digging up years old posts on the regular
Nerd as I can be when necessary, I just wondered how many teams ended up scoring less points than games at the end of the season, but stayed up.
In the last 10 years only 6 teams did this, but interestingly in two teams did it in 2 separate years….. ie less than 38 points and finished 16th!!
I also noticed that in the last 10 years there has ALWAYS been one team adrift at the foot with no chance, but in 7 of those years TWO teams adrift….. meaning effectively there have only been 2-3 teams
scrapping to avoid that one place in 18th.
This doesn’t apply this year… 9 teams within 4 points.
All to play for.
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Penshawdave (U1894)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
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All Leed fans on this board don't want relegation. The long years spent in the lower regions were painful. Jonty is as passionate about this club as all fans on this board. Negative comments about other fans does the club no favours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Constant negativity even when we are doing well is Jonty's motto..........there were always little underhand comments even under Bielsa taking aim at someone and refusal to give credit.
Some people just enjoy things going wrong, Jonty is one of them because it strokes his ego if he's proven right.............hence his love of digging up years old posts on the regular
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ok, I give ups, if you're going to continually be like this, time for the filter.
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
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In all honesty Jonty I totally get where your post is coming from. I've no science to back it up, or the energy/curiosity to look at previous stats to support history one way or another. I've just seen in the last couple of home games what appears to me an improving and more solid looking side. Brighton was always going to be tricky, they're as good a side I've seen play this season, maybe bar Man C.
For weeks/months we've had results where with a better striker we'd have won in my view. We now appear to have more available in that part of the pitch and maybe, just maybe, that goal on Saturday might give Bamford some mojo back.
We've put ourselves in the mire, but I do think we can and will get out of it.
It's all opinions .... I do get yours, but i'm a cheerie at heart .......
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Listen, I really hope Gracia gets us out of this mess of other's making and not discounting that there might be improvements but they need to be really major ones to get us out of this.
I said before match 1 point would be good result v Brighton, but not enough if we want to stay up, we need more points pronto!
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Jonty might be right that those in the relegation positions as at a certain time historically are more likely to go down. But as I said in my thread above… past isn’t always a guide to the future… we know that better than anyone….. “top at Christmas in the Championship gets promotion” !!👀
However, as everyone says, mathematics and probability say that the important factors should be :
points already earned;
games left to play;
number of teams in the mix;
injuries or suspensions to important players;
league position of opposition;
strength of opposition, and whether they’re at home or away
When you put all that together it doesn’t seem logical to say that your league position as at 13 March is more likely to sway the end result
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We are the masters of making the worst out of a situation.
relegation in 1982 needed a combination of factors for us to go down, we got 'em!
Play off final after play off final where we were favourites.
Favourites to go up in frost season under Bielsa.
We really seem to falter at final hurdle, except last year.
I really hope we can do it again, but feel we're in a worse position and ultimately its the table that is the judge not goals v points etc.
I no longer fear relegation, I think we are facing an up hill battle and part of me would prefer to go down and win games than stay up and spend each weekend in abject despair.
Klaesson (Robles), Drameh, Ayling, Cresswell, Cooper, Wober, Struijk, Firpo, Hjelda, Roca, Adams, Gyabi, Dallas, Gnonto, Summerville, Greenwood, Gelhardt, Rodrigo, Bamford and Perkins with a few of the junior players seems more tha good enough.
I am assuming that Jack will not extend his contract and those who have allegedly expressed a wish to move on will do so (Rutter and Koch).
I would like to see Meslier, Kristiensen, McKennie, Aaronson and Sinisterra move on.
Of course it begs the question, what do we do with the likes of Roberts, Poveda and Shackleton?
I doubt we would keep Adams and Gnonto in the Champ.
I think our team lacks some older heads with a bit of experience. Like we had Pablo, Dallas etc. Feel like something is missing - some good players but lack a bit of leadership you get from older players. Ayling offers it t oan extent but I think we need someone in the midfield who can drive the team on. A leader. Like a Pablo, Strachan etc
Keeping the likes of Rodrigo & Wober I think would be similarly unlikely. Adams and Gnonto I can see clubs, especially around Europe, being interested.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I really hope we can do it again, but feel we're in a worse position and ultimately its the table that is the judge not goals v points etc.
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That is the one thing about being where we are in the table…. Don’t get more points than those above us and we are DEFINITELY shnookered!
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posted on 13/3/23
Maybe for balance put up all the others teams fixtures.
This season our GD is worth a point too.
posted on 13/3/23
It's going to be tough but the point against a good Brighton side gave me reason for belief and of the remaining fixtures I will only realistically concede probable defeats to Arsenal and City - the rest, more hopeful we can compete against as they are all proving inconsistent and points can be pinched. A recent tighter more disciplined defence is a start.
Need something from the Wolves game as a must.
posted on 14/3/23
Its always funny when people say this, that and crap against whatever we have to do, but, people should also say what those around us have to do!..
Shit on what the likes off lowfields say, he'll talk in the wrong direction anything Leeds out off his ass!..
We are not the only ones down here, and the maths are still being counted!..
When that say's we cant go no further than ok, but until then we should try standing behind our players and let the 12th man know where we stand!..
posted on 14/3/23
I'm flat out depressed over this season.
But, I hope to God the lads who wear the shirt pull off
yet another miracle and we stay up. I know we'll all be
united in outright hysteria if that happens.
posted on 14/3/23
There are a lot more teams involved in the relegation battle this season. Could be any number of teams relegated. Stupid to have the mentality of 'we are already relegated'. Rodrigo us back, we might have Sinisterra as well soon. Plenty of reasons to think we might somehow just manage to scrape ourselves out of it.
posted on 14/3/23
What’s the difference between a pessimist and an optimist ?
The outcome is the same but the optimist has a better time until the outcome is determined.
I am going to enjoy this time.
posted on 14/3/23
Basing my opinion on absolutely nothing at all, I think you'll just about scrape safety.
posted on 14/3/23
When was the last time a team that were second from bottom after 26 games stayed up?
Certainly not in the last 5 years, I didn't bother looking further back than that.
Of course it's not a certainty, but as each game goes by we are less and less able to extricate ourselves from this mess.
posted on 14/3/23
Think things are slightly different this year - 12th to us only 4 points difference, third from bottom constantly changing.
posted on 14/3/23
3rd from bottom is the team that can sometimes escape, second from bottom at this stage never seems to escape.
posted on 14/3/23
No one is adrift yet this year so anything possible.
posted on 14/3/23
Jonty might be right that those in the relegation positions as at a certain time historically are more likely to go down. But as I said in my thread above… past isn’t always a guide to the future… we know that better than anyone….. “top at Christmas in the Championship gets promotion” !!👀
However, as everyone says, mathematics and probability say that the important factors should be :
points already earned;
games left to play;
number of teams in the mix;
injuries or suspensions to important players;
league position of opposition;
strength of opposition, and whether they’re at home or away
When you put all that together it doesn’t seem logical to say that your league position as at 13 March is more likely to sway the end result
posted on 14/3/23
It’s not often the bottom five have three teams with only -9 -10 and -11 points. Usually everyone at this stage has a much worse average.
Those teams with -17 to 26 are potentially a point behind Leicester, Leeds and West Ham. My three to go will be from those with the worst goal difference I think.
Southampton-21
Bournemouth-26
Everton-18
Wolves-17
Forest—26
However looking at other teams fans - Leicester think they are gone. Forest are very very worried too.
I think I’ll go Southampton, Bournemouth and Forest but to be honest it’s perm any three from nine at the moment.
I’m concerned but I will be going to every home game with the expectation of a win. Three home games in a row next month. That could be our saviour?
Forest, Palace, Liverpool on the bounce with Leicester thrown in later that month. All winnable home games.
Massive massive month for us.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 8 minutes ago
Jonty might be right that those in the relegation positions as at a certain time historically are more likely to go down. But as I said in my thread above… past isn’t always a guide to the future… we know that better than anyone….. “top at Christmas in the Championship gets promotion” !!👀
However, as everyone says, mathematics and probability say that the important factors should be :
points already earned;
games left to play;
number of teams in the mix;
injuries or suspensions to important players;
league position of opposition;
strength of opposition, and whether they’re at home or away
When you put all that together it doesn’t seem logical to say that your league position as at 13 March is more likely to sway the end result
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I seem to remember a stat that said every team top at Xmas usually won the league.
I think we proved that one wrong if I remember rightly.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
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In all honesty Jonty I totally get where your post is coming from. I've no science to back it up, or the energy/curiosity to look at previous stats to support history one way or another. I've just seen in the last couple of home games what appears to me an improving and more solid looking side. Brighton was always going to be tricky, they're as good a side I've seen play this season, maybe bar Man C.
For weeks/months we've had results where with a better striker we'd have won in my view. We now appear to have more available in that part of the pitch and maybe, just maybe, that goal on Saturday might give Bamford some mojo back.
We've put ourselves in the mire, but I do think we can and will get out of it.
It's all opinions .... I do get yours, but i'm a cheerie at heart .......
posted on 14/3/23
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
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In all honesty Jonty I totally get where your post is coming from. I've no science to back it up, or the energy/curiosity to look at previous stats to support history one way or another. I've just seen in the last couple of home games what appears to me an improving and more solid looking side. Brighton was always going to be tricky, they're as good a side I've seen play this season, maybe bar Man C.
For weeks/months we've had results where with a better striker we'd have won in my view. We now appear to have more available in that part of the pitch and maybe, just maybe, that goal on Saturday might give Bamford some mojo back.
We've put ourselves in the mire, but I do think we can and will get out of it.
It's all opinions .... I do get yours, but i'm a cheerie at heart .......
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Bamford looked a different player after he scored.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Penshawdave (U1894)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
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All Leed fans on this board don't want relegation. The long years spent in the lower regions were painful. Jonty is as passionate about this club as all fans on this board. Negative comments about other fans does the club no favours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Constant negativity even when we are doing well is Jonty's motto..........there were always little underhand comments even under Bielsa taking aim at someone and refusal to give credit.
Some people just enjoy things going wrong, Jonty is one of them because it strokes his ego if he's proven right.............hence his love of digging up years old posts on the regular
posted on 14/3/23
Nerd as I can be when necessary, I just wondered how many teams ended up scoring less points than games at the end of the season, but stayed up.
In the last 10 years only 6 teams did this, but interestingly in two teams did it in 2 separate years….. ie less than 38 points and finished 16th!!
I also noticed that in the last 10 years there has ALWAYS been one team adrift at the foot with no chance, but in 7 of those years TWO teams adrift….. meaning effectively there have only been 2-3 teams
scrapping to avoid that one place in 18th.
This doesn’t apply this year… 9 teams within 4 points.
All to play for.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Penshawdave (U1894)
posted 12 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
People should probably come to terms with the fact Jonty wants us to go down as he thrives off our failures
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All Leed fans on this board don't want relegation. The long years spent in the lower regions were painful. Jonty is as passionate about this club as all fans on this board. Negative comments about other fans does the club no favours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Constant negativity even when we are doing well is Jonty's motto..........there were always little underhand comments even under Bielsa taking aim at someone and refusal to give credit.
Some people just enjoy things going wrong, Jonty is one of them because it strokes his ego if he's proven right.............hence his love of digging up years old posts on the regular
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ok, I give ups, if you're going to continually be like this, time for the filter.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
Of course we can just give up and concede defeat now. Is that what you'd coach someone? Form suggests as you say but a couple of good results can swing things.
Clutching at straws?
As was once said - "it's a funny old game". Nothing like football to surprise you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not advocating anyone gives up, I never do that.
There are some matches my players go into with very little chance of success on paper, but we always have a game plan and always hope, but I don't tell a player who loses 75% of their matches that they're suddenly going to win 75% of them.
There is always spin. When bates was shafting us, so many said, he's a businessman, knows what he's doing.
When Cellino shut Thorp Arch and ran the place down, people said it made business sense.
When we appointed Hock, people tried to justify that too.
It always happens, which is why I said its not a surprise in this situation.
None of us want to accept that relegation might happen but that is the reality and our position at this point is worse than last season and we only just escaped that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In all honesty Jonty I totally get where your post is coming from. I've no science to back it up, or the energy/curiosity to look at previous stats to support history one way or another. I've just seen in the last couple of home games what appears to me an improving and more solid looking side. Brighton was always going to be tricky, they're as good a side I've seen play this season, maybe bar Man C.
For weeks/months we've had results where with a better striker we'd have won in my view. We now appear to have more available in that part of the pitch and maybe, just maybe, that goal on Saturday might give Bamford some mojo back.
We've put ourselves in the mire, but I do think we can and will get out of it.
It's all opinions .... I do get yours, but i'm a cheerie at heart .......
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Listen, I really hope Gracia gets us out of this mess of other's making and not discounting that there might be improvements but they need to be really major ones to get us out of this.
I said before match 1 point would be good result v Brighton, but not enough if we want to stay up, we need more points pronto!
posted on 14/3/23
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Jonty might be right that those in the relegation positions as at a certain time historically are more likely to go down. But as I said in my thread above… past isn’t always a guide to the future… we know that better than anyone….. “top at Christmas in the Championship gets promotion” !!👀
However, as everyone says, mathematics and probability say that the important factors should be :
points already earned;
games left to play;
number of teams in the mix;
injuries or suspensions to important players;
league position of opposition;
strength of opposition, and whether they’re at home or away
When you put all that together it doesn’t seem logical to say that your league position as at 13 March is more likely to sway the end result
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We are the masters of making the worst out of a situation.
relegation in 1982 needed a combination of factors for us to go down, we got 'em!
Play off final after play off final where we were favourites.
Favourites to go up in frost season under Bielsa.
We really seem to falter at final hurdle, except last year.
I really hope we can do it again, but feel we're in a worse position and ultimately its the table that is the judge not goals v points etc.
posted on 14/3/23
I no longer fear relegation, I think we are facing an up hill battle and part of me would prefer to go down and win games than stay up and spend each weekend in abject despair.
Klaesson (Robles), Drameh, Ayling, Cresswell, Cooper, Wober, Struijk, Firpo, Hjelda, Roca, Adams, Gyabi, Dallas, Gnonto, Summerville, Greenwood, Gelhardt, Rodrigo, Bamford and Perkins with a few of the junior players seems more tha good enough.
I am assuming that Jack will not extend his contract and those who have allegedly expressed a wish to move on will do so (Rutter and Koch).
I would like to see Meslier, Kristiensen, McKennie, Aaronson and Sinisterra move on.
Of course it begs the question, what do we do with the likes of Roberts, Poveda and Shackleton?
posted on 14/3/23
I doubt we would keep Adams and Gnonto in the Champ.
I think our team lacks some older heads with a bit of experience. Like we had Pablo, Dallas etc. Feel like something is missing - some good players but lack a bit of leadership you get from older players. Ayling offers it t oan extent but I think we need someone in the midfield who can drive the team on. A leader. Like a Pablo, Strachan etc
posted on 14/3/23
Keeping the likes of Rodrigo & Wober I think would be similarly unlikely. Adams and Gnonto I can see clubs, especially around Europe, being interested.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I really hope we can do it again, but feel we're in a worse position and ultimately its the table that is the judge not goals v points etc.
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That is the one thing about being where we are in the table…. Don’t get more points than those above us and we are DEFINITELY shnookered!
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