comment by RD25 (U20655)
posted 8 hours, 37 minutes ago
I'd say put him out on loan (ideally abroad) until everyone forgets and then bring him back if he's still a good player
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If you were looking to bring him back, this would really be the only way to do it
They should present all the available evidence to the Man United Women's team and tell them to have a vote and decide.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
They should present all the available evidence to the Man United Women's team and tell them to have a vote and decide.
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Apparently they’ve already had their say and that’s a big issue for them.
Inclusivity is now massive in the workplace, no place for abusers.
United appear to be doing the right thing, kudos.
Personally, I find it quite strange that people are seemingly very willing to excuse away the evidence of abuse which has been in the public domain (the actions of the victim’s friends, the photographs, the audio, the very fact that the police were investigating for many months and CPS were ready to prosecute) whilst at the same time quite willing to lean heavily on reports that the pair are back together and the victim is pregnant as evidence of some kind of satisfactory tale of ‘all’s well that ends well’.
A very large proportion of women who have suffered domestic abuse and violence, particularly those who’ve been in a relationship in which such activity has become habitual, remain with their abusers. The same coercive behaviour that sees victims forgive, excuse away or internalise abuse sees them remain with the same abusive partner.
We also know that statistically, domestic violence has one of the very highest reoffending rates of all crimes, to the extent that it is straight up rare for offenders not to recidivate, particularly when they haven’t been punished for their previous crimes.
In short, if a victim of domestic abuse stays with their partner (as they very often do), and their abuser’s behaviour goes unpunished, the evidence tells us that the victim will *almost certainly* suffer further abuse at the hands of their partner.
I’m with Barry
If Hitler can marry a Jew, Greenwood can play soccer
I wonder if united will try and use him to get Kane from Tottenham ….bit of dosh and greenwood
Problem solved for United
Not sure levy would go for it as he is already me unpopular but it doesn’t sound too far fetched
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Please correct me if I’m wrong, but Gazza was never found guilty of any domestic violence offence relating to his (well-documented) abuse of Sheryl.
Greenwood made a mistake and he will learn from it. He is already seeing the consequence of his action by marrying and having a child with a girl whom he probably never intended to commit to. He is paying the price for his mistake. Football wise, I want to see Greenwood back playing for united as he is the most exciting player I have seen from the academy after Rashford. I also hope the Quatar takeover happens so we finally see a proper football people in charge of management in stead of accountants.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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As somebody with a daughter on the way and who has heard the tapes, I don’t want thst cvnt anywhere near a position where he can be looked up to by young men.
His behaviour was appalling and while it may have been a mistake and if he’s innocent, he’s innocent I don’t want any young man thinking they can treat a woman like that and be allowed to continue as if nothing happened.
There’s a big big difference between being a football player and working on the checkouts at Tesco.
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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Looking at it purely from a United plc perspective though Winston, here’s the problem:
Hugs, kisses, apologies or otherwise, baby or otherwise, *if* Greenwood has physically abused his girlfriend, and that crime has gone unpunished, the evidence tells us (because statistically it almost *always* happens) that he will do it again.
So *if* it has already happened, United will be lining themselves up for the very mother of all PR storms if he is allowed to stay.
Building cases to prosecute attempted raape and domestic violence-related crimes in the UK is notoriously difficult, before we get to burdens of proof and conviction rates.
United aren’t under any obligation to apply the standard of beyond any reasonable doubt, and given the (insanely high) reputational risk associated with this matter, they could be forgiven for choosing not to.
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Kids have been going to pantomimes for decades, what’s the difference?
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Presuming you actually have a clue of what you're talking about, what's morally reprehensible about dressing in drag?
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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As somebody with a daughter on the way and who has heard the tapes, I don’t want thst cvnt anywhere near a position where he can be looked up to by young men.
His behaviour was appalling and while it may have been a mistake and if he’s innocent, he’s innocent I don’t want any young man thinking they can treat a woman like that and be allowed to continue as if nothing happened.
There’s a big big difference between being a football player and working on the checkouts at Tesco.
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Yep, I get that, and largely agree.
But I don’t think it’s that simple.
Are we saying that Greenwood should just been thrown out and not employed by anyone because of this?
With young men committing suicide at an alarming rate, is that a sensible move?
As I say, I think I fall down more on your side of things but I do see the complexities of the subject.
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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What?!
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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Looking at it purely from a United plc perspective though Winston, here’s the problem:
Hugs, kisses, apologies or otherwise, baby or otherwise, *if* Greenwood has physically abused his girlfriend, and that crime has gone unpunished, the evidence tells us (because statistically it almost *always* happens) that he will do it again.
So *if* it has already happened, United will be lining themselves up for the very mother of all PR storms if he is allowed to stay.
Building cases to prosecute attempted raape and domestic violence-related crimes in the UK is notoriously difficult, before we get to burdens of proof and conviction rates.
United aren’t under any obligation to apply the standard of beyond any reasonable doubt, and given the (insanely high) reputational risk associated with this matter, they could be forgiven for choosing not to.
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I agree, although depending on how they approach it, it could become a case for good.
If they try to ignore what has gone before then it won’t be, of course.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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Looking at it purely from a United plc perspective though Winston, here’s the problem:
Hugs, kisses, apologies or otherwise, baby or otherwise, *if* Greenwood has physically abused his girlfriend, and that crime has gone unpunished, the evidence tells us (because statistically it almost *always* happens) that he will do it again.
So *if* it has already happened, United will be lining themselves up for the very mother of all PR storms if he is allowed to stay.
Building cases to prosecute attempted raape and domestic violence-related crimes in the UK is notoriously difficult, before we get to burdens of proof and conviction rates.
United aren’t under any obligation to apply the standard of beyond any reasonable doubt, and given the (insanely high) reputational risk associated with this matter, they could be forgiven for choosing not to.
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I agree, although depending on how they approach it, it could become a case for good.
If they try to ignore what has gone before then it won’t be, of course.
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A case for good
I know you enjoy being a contrarian so you can always feel like the smartest guy in the room, Winston but come on.
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Is this a Barry sock account or does this guy actually believe everything he reads on Facebook?
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Is this a Barry sock account or does this guy actually believe everything he reads on Facebook?
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Looking at his previous comment, he might just bea nother iteration of Yorkshire Red/UWW or some other smalldickenergy Tateite.
I’m just desperately trying to work out what on earth drag queens teaching has to do with domestic violence, Baz
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Is this a Barry sock account or does this guy actually believe everything he reads on Facebook?
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Looking at his previous comment, he might just bea nother iteration of Yorkshire Red/UWW or some other smalldickenergy Tateite.
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Probably all the same person
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posted on 2/4/23
comment by RD25 (U20655)
posted 8 hours, 37 minutes ago
I'd say put him out on loan (ideally abroad) until everyone forgets and then bring him back if he's still a good player
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If you were looking to bring him back, this would really be the only way to do it
posted on 2/4/23
They should present all the available evidence to the Man United Women's team and tell them to have a vote and decide.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
They should present all the available evidence to the Man United Women's team and tell them to have a vote and decide.
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Apparently they’ve already had their say and that’s a big issue for them.
Inclusivity is now massive in the workplace, no place for abusers.
United appear to be doing the right thing, kudos.
posted on 2/4/23
Personally, I find it quite strange that people are seemingly very willing to excuse away the evidence of abuse which has been in the public domain (the actions of the victim’s friends, the photographs, the audio, the very fact that the police were investigating for many months and CPS were ready to prosecute) whilst at the same time quite willing to lean heavily on reports that the pair are back together and the victim is pregnant as evidence of some kind of satisfactory tale of ‘all’s well that ends well’.
A very large proportion of women who have suffered domestic abuse and violence, particularly those who’ve been in a relationship in which such activity has become habitual, remain with their abusers. The same coercive behaviour that sees victims forgive, excuse away or internalise abuse sees them remain with the same abusive partner.
We also know that statistically, domestic violence has one of the very highest reoffending rates of all crimes, to the extent that it is straight up rare for offenders not to recidivate, particularly when they haven’t been punished for their previous crimes.
In short, if a victim of domestic abuse stays with their partner (as they very often do), and their abuser’s behaviour goes unpunished, the evidence tells us that the victim will *almost certainly* suffer further abuse at the hands of their partner.
posted on 2/4/23
I’m with Barry
If Hitler can marry a Jew, Greenwood can play soccer
posted on 2/4/23
I wonder if united will try and use him to get Kane from Tottenham ….bit of dosh and greenwood
Problem solved for United
Not sure levy would go for it as he is already me unpopular but it doesn’t sound too far fetched
posted on 2/4/23
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Please correct me if I’m wrong, but Gazza was never found guilty of any domestic violence offence relating to his (well-documented) abuse of Sheryl.
posted on 2/4/23
Greenwood made a mistake and he will learn from it. He is already seeing the consequence of his action by marrying and having a child with a girl whom he probably never intended to commit to. He is paying the price for his mistake. Football wise, I want to see Greenwood back playing for united as he is the most exciting player I have seen from the academy after Rashford. I also hope the Quatar takeover happens so we finally see a proper football people in charge of management in stead of accountants.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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As somebody with a daughter on the way and who has heard the tapes, I don’t want thst cvnt anywhere near a position where he can be looked up to by young men.
His behaviour was appalling and while it may have been a mistake and if he’s innocent, he’s innocent I don’t want any young man thinking they can treat a woman like that and be allowed to continue as if nothing happened.
There’s a big big difference between being a football player and working on the checkouts at Tesco.
posted on 2/4/23
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking at it purely from a United plc perspective though Winston, here’s the problem:
Hugs, kisses, apologies or otherwise, baby or otherwise, *if* Greenwood has physically abused his girlfriend, and that crime has gone unpunished, the evidence tells us (because statistically it almost *always* happens) that he will do it again.
So *if* it has already happened, United will be lining themselves up for the very mother of all PR storms if he is allowed to stay.
Building cases to prosecute attempted raape and domestic violence-related crimes in the UK is notoriously difficult, before we get to burdens of proof and conviction rates.
United aren’t under any obligation to apply the standard of beyond any reasonable doubt, and given the (insanely high) reputational risk associated with this matter, they could be forgiven for choosing not to.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Kids have been going to pantomimes for decades, what’s the difference?
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Presuming you actually have a clue of what you're talking about, what's morally reprehensible about dressing in drag?
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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As somebody with a daughter on the way and who has heard the tapes, I don’t want thst cvnt anywhere near a position where he can be looked up to by young men.
His behaviour was appalling and while it may have been a mistake and if he’s innocent, he’s innocent I don’t want any young man thinking they can treat a woman like that and be allowed to continue as if nothing happened.
There’s a big big difference between being a football player and working on the checkouts at Tesco.
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Yep, I get that, and largely agree.
But I don’t think it’s that simple.
Are we saying that Greenwood should just been thrown out and not employed by anyone because of this?
With young men committing suicide at an alarming rate, is that a sensible move?
As I say, I think I fall down more on your side of things but I do see the complexities of the subject.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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What?!
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
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Looking at it purely from a United plc perspective though Winston, here’s the problem:
Hugs, kisses, apologies or otherwise, baby or otherwise, *if* Greenwood has physically abused his girlfriend, and that crime has gone unpunished, the evidence tells us (because statistically it almost *always* happens) that he will do it again.
So *if* it has already happened, United will be lining themselves up for the very mother of all PR storms if he is allowed to stay.
Building cases to prosecute attempted raape and domestic violence-related crimes in the UK is notoriously difficult, before we get to burdens of proof and conviction rates.
United aren’t under any obligation to apply the standard of beyond any reasonable doubt, and given the (insanely high) reputational risk associated with this matter, they could be forgiven for choosing not to.
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I agree, although depending on how they approach it, it could become a case for good.
If they try to ignore what has gone before then it won’t be, of course.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 49 seconds ago
Not excusing Greenwood’s actions but he has been found not guilty. Another thing, Gazza hit his former girlfriend but is a national treasure to some, which I’ve always found odd.
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Yep, but rich to be point scoring on this.
I don’t remember Bissouma being sacked when he was accused, or Lloris being sacked when he was guilty of drink driving.
We live in a society that has a trusted legal system, and we’re supposed to live in a society where we rehabilitate criminals.
It’s not an easy subject. Greenwood lining up for United would make me uncomfortable. But equally, giving up on a young man is probably not a great result either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking at it purely from a United plc perspective though Winston, here’s the problem:
Hugs, kisses, apologies or otherwise, baby or otherwise, *if* Greenwood has physically abused his girlfriend, and that crime has gone unpunished, the evidence tells us (because statistically it almost *always* happens) that he will do it again.
So *if* it has already happened, United will be lining themselves up for the very mother of all PR storms if he is allowed to stay.
Building cases to prosecute attempted raape and domestic violence-related crimes in the UK is notoriously difficult, before we get to burdens of proof and conviction rates.
United aren’t under any obligation to apply the standard of beyond any reasonable doubt, and given the (insanely high) reputational risk associated with this matter, they could be forgiven for choosing not to.
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I agree, although depending on how they approach it, it could become a case for good.
If they try to ignore what has gone before then it won’t be, of course.
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A case for good
I know you enjoy being a contrarian so you can always feel like the smartest guy in the room, Winston but come on.
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Is this a Barry sock account or does this guy actually believe everything he reads on Facebook?
posted on 2/4/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Is this a Barry sock account or does this guy actually believe everything he reads on Facebook?
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Looking at his previous comment, he might just bea nother iteration of Yorkshire Red/UWW or some other smalldickenergy Tateite.
posted on 2/4/23
I’m just desperately trying to work out what on earth drag queens teaching has to do with domestic violence, Baz
posted on 2/4/23
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Does anyone see greenwood as a role model? Because that’s what putting him back in will make him for some kids.
Bin the piece of shiiiit
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Exactly
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I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue for a society that OKed having drag queens as 1st grade teachers.
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Is this a Barry sock account or does this guy actually believe everything he reads on Facebook?
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Looking at his previous comment, he might just bea nother iteration of Yorkshire Red/UWW or some other smalldickenergy Tateite.
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Probably all the same person
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