comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 9 hours, 50 minutes ago
I think Cashin has had a poor start to the seasn, for whatever reason. He has a lot of credit in the bank from the last couple of years but if he was a new signing I think some fans would be saying they can already tell he is nowhere near good enough.
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Maybe he's 'had his head turned' Vidal?

Maybe. It was assumed that Warne was talking about Bird with that remark but I think Bird has been easily our best player this season, not that that is any great compliment. In a weird way, if Bird’s injury is as bad as I fear and we sign a different sort of midfielder, it might actually help the balance of a Warne team.

If the rumours are correct and a deal for Cashin included being loaned back for the rest of this season I can’t see how that would improve his focus. Warne’s demeanour seems to have changed which makes me wonder what might be going on behind the scenes. Maybe the Cashin cash would go towards paying off Warne and his staff.

I hope that's not the case and I do not think dumping Warne now is the answer. We need to stick it out for a bit longer. The Wigan game could easily have gone our way on another day and, with so many corners, again on another day, we might have got something from the Oxford game and then, hey ho, we're in the top 3. That would have built the confidence and we'd possibly be rolling on from there (even if the squad is still a bit threadbare and I'm not saying we're the real deal yet).

But it is what it is so of course the knives are out.

However, I still maintain we're lucky to even be in this position at all.

Fed up with this notion that we are lucky to be in this position. Someone was always going to buy the club. basically it was like a Dutch auction with potential buyers waiting until the price dropped. Pleased it was Clowes and not Ashley who stepped in.

Our new problem is that we are losing our best players and looking at our record on signing new players I can't see us improving in the near future.

Like everyone else I don't know the details of the conditions attached to our financial dealings by the EFL but they appear to be killing us. Teams in division 1 unlike the Premier League obtain the bulk of their income from ticket sales. As we sell the most tickets we should be able to out compete all other teams but we appear to have been hamstrung by the EFL.

Spart, you can't possibly know that someone would have definitely bought the club. It seems we were days away from liquidation. But you continue to be miserable if you want.

So you don't believe that business people are looking for a bargain then. I was almost certain Mike Ashley would have beaten down the price before liquidation. 25,000 faithful customers turning up whatever dross the club puts on the pitch. How can any anyone not want to own a business like that. It was never a question of if we go under but of how little the administrators were prepared to accept. You continue to believe the myths.

Almost but not actually certain though, eh? In order to get to this supposed price there was a need to fund the operation which was adding debt thus reducing the value thus reducing the price that someone would be willing to pay requiring more funding to hopefully buy time to get to the price and so on. A spiral that would eventually have seen us go bust.

Spart, if you really think DCFC were "too big" to go bust, you've actually outdone yourself.

Spart is never wrong. I haven't yet worked out how he was correct about Bradley being at fault for Oxford's second goal on Tuesday, but no doubt he will enlighten us at some point.

I don’t see how anyone can consider a football club to be a business which will grow and make a profit and thus be a desirable asset. Making losses is guaranteed. DC was a very special purchaser who for obvious reasons did not really want to buy but as a diehard fan felt compelled to do so as otherwise liquidation would have followed in a few days. Failing DC, Spart may be right and Ashley may have stepped in at the very last minute but DCFC would merely have been an adjunct to his other businesses.

I really wish someone from the club or Radio Derby would come out and explain what is the state of the club’s indebtedness if any. At the moment we are all guessing. For what it’s worth my understanding is that for a company to exit administration all debts have first to be paid, either in full or at say 25p in the pound depending on the nature of the debt. I believe that someone said that all Derby’s debts had been dealt with when administration came to an end. “Football debts” should have been paid in full so I don’t get it when it’s suggested that Arsenal were still owed money on Bielik. I sincerely hope that there is nothing more owed to them now.

I heard PW say that all money from the Knight sale had to go into the pot set aside for the general running of the club and could not go into a transfer kitty. Whether that would also apply if Cashin is sold I do not know but if he is sold and our EFL-approved budget allows us to spend then I hope that his transfer will go through pronto so that new players can be brought in.

With regard to my earlier rant after the Oxford game I have no wish to see PW and co dismissed. That would be a huge mistake and in any event, unaffordable. I’d be amazed if DC made changes at the top.

Finally, Terry where are you? In Spain? Not heard from you in ages. Are you OK?

PS According to the Sun (!!!!) Man City have signed a French 14 year old for one million plus bonuses.

Clubs like MC are killing the game with their ludicrous transfer fees and wages. Something has to give and this madness cannot continue. It can only be a matter of time before some "big" club goes under.

Fees are increasing every year and to what end? Spurs doubtless feel they got a good deal on Kane but so what? If they want to replace him they will have to pay over the odds no matter who they go for.

These fee increases have a knock-on effect down the pyramid such that spending powers for some become severely limited. If a lower league club manages to develop or unearth a gem what chance it can hold on to that gem? Would it want to if offered silly money? This seems to be the likely scenario re Cashin.

I know it's said that a club needs an academy so that it can develop and then sell youngsters. Maybe but surely it must also be desirable to develop youngsters for the club's own first team? I get it that some lower league clubs have to sell players to survive but the present market ensures that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer in terms of playing staff.

Boy, I'm getting many rants in right now!

PW is quite obviously pi$$ed off foe whatever reason

Am I correct that the, L1, L2 etc player pay structure means that we cannot ask for big transfer fees from the
higher leagues .ie larger salary structure = larger transfer fees.

Not heard of that UT and cannot see why it should be so. If it's true then it's a grossly unfair way to run a pyramid and helps the smaller clubs not one jot.

I’d be amazed if there was some sort of cap that basically allowed Prem clubs to rob the lower leagues.

comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
PW is quite obviously pi$$ed off foe whatever reason
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Good so let him pi$$ off then and take his pals with him. Wassa in.

Chicago, reading your post on Warnes tactics, they're identical, and I do mean identical, to how my boys team of 8 year olds was being coached. Their coach had some pedigree having played as high as the conference south, and he wanted to teach the kids to play on the ground, so he did just that. Keeper puts ball on floor, passes to one of the defenders dependant on which side the goal kick was. Defender brings it forward to invite an opposition player, then feeds it to the kid on the wing, however there were no crosses being lumped in. At that point the winger would attempt to either run it forward or square it to the supporting cenfre midfielders or the striker if he dropped off a bit.

So, to summarize, warne is coaching derby the same, or maybe worse, as Martin was coaching my 8 year old and his team mates.

I’m sure it’s not quite as simple as that but whatever Warne is trying to do looks a long way away from working at the moment. There was some decent play in the second half against Burton but that was probably more down to Burton’s ineptitude than anything else. It was very worrying to me that both Wigan and Oxford looked a lot more comfortable on the ball than we did.

I’ll stay behind the team and just hope for better until or unless something changes. There’s nothing else we can do. While it seems crazy to be debating Warne’s future so early in the season something just seems off to me.

Good to hear from you Harper btw.

Andy Yiadom, right back from Reading is being touted, due to our injuries.

comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Andy Yiadom, right back from Reading is being touted, due to our injuries.
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I wonder why PW won't play Rooney at right back, he always plays well IMHO.

comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Uncle Tom (U1899)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Andy Yiadom, right back from Reading is being touted, due to our injuries.
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I wonder why PW won't play Rooney at right back, he always plays well IMHO.
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He might but why not get cover if you can?

comment by Chicagoram (U22653)
posted 19 hours, 12 minutes ago
I don’t see how anyone can consider a football club to be a business which will grow and make a profit and thus be a desirable asset. Making losses is guaranteed. DC was a very special purchaser who for obvious reasons did not really want to buy but as a diehard fan felt compelled to do so as otherwise liquidation would have followed in a few days. Failing DC, Spart may be right and Ashley may have stepped in at the very last minute but DCFC would merely have been an adjunct to his other businesses.

I really wish someone from the club or Radio Derby would come out and explain what is the state of the club’s indebtedness if any. At the moment we are all guessing. For what it’s worth my understanding is that for a company to exit administration all debts have first to be paid, either in full or at say 25p in the pound depending on the nature of the debt. I believe that someone said that all Derby’s debts had been dealt with when administration came to an end. “Football debts” should have been paid in full so I don’t get it when it’s suggested that Arsenal were still owed money on Bielik. I sincerely hope that there is nothing more owed to them now.

I heard PW say that all money from the Knight sale had to go into the pot set aside for the general running of the club and could not go into a transfer kitty. Whether that would also apply if Cashin is sold I do not know but if he is sold and our EFL-approved budget allows us to spend then I hope that his transfer will go through pronto so that new players can be brought in.

With regard to my earlier rant after the Oxford game I have no wish to see PW and co dismissed. That would be a huge mistake and in any event, unaffordable. I’d be amazed if DC made changes at the top.

Finally, Terry where are you? In Spain? Not heard from you in ages. Are you OK?

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I'm still here Chicago...although been in Spain 3 months...still read the comments but tbh I just got fed up with politics coming into comments on articles and also the wrist slashing that occurs too often on here...

Afternoon all!

It is a bit grim in here but what I have noticed is that when things are bleak we seem to post more ( means to rant.)

Firstly in reply to Chicago's post above, I think Brighton and Brentford have shown the models that work so well and make them a profitable businesses.

Buy for £4 million and sell for £100 million. Got to applaud the way they do business and keep finding gem after gem.

American investors are seeing potential in the PL and below that they're tapping into it due to the commercial / media success overseas.

The Wrexham project is unique because of its USP being the owners ( which is rather rare in football) and they've made an absolute killing in terms of exposure in the US and Netflix. Everyone's second team in the US is Wrexham, that's no easy feat to achieve.

We've managed to make Guatemala fall in love with us courtesy of Nathaniel M-L.

Can't recall his name right now but the NFL dude (is it Tom Brady....as I was initially thinking the actor Tom Hardy) with a small investment in Birmingham. Strange one, why invest in such a **** club but clearly they see potential with the possible goal to get promoted and sell the club on. Good luck with that.

But in terms of balance there's definitely more clubs in debt then in profit due to years of bad management.

I sense a lot of PL clubs are very happily welcoming the Saudi money and taking off their hands the riskier over 30s players on big contracts for highly inflated prices.

What needs to happen (not that it will) is that those inflated prices are filtered down the league and players in Champ and L1 & L2 are sold for a higher profit margin and not forced to sell for peanuts because a 'player's head is turned.'

To use Brighton again they handled the Moises Caicedo interest from Arsenal mid-season brilliantly,managed to retain him and sell him not for small change but a colossal profit.

Ah to have an owner and set up like that one! I'd be a very happy fan, no doubt most of us would be,minus of course Spart who would still be annoyed.

Good to see some of our old school posters returning on here. Adversity from Derby County is bringing some small joy!

'It is a bit grim in here but what I have noticed is that when things are bleak we seem to post more ( means to rant.)'

Conversely, I tend to post less to avoid being labelled as a wrist slasher

comment by 🏁 AnglianRam 🏁 (U17428)
posted 6 minutes ago
'It is a bit grim in here but what I have noticed is that when things are bleak we seem to post more ( means to rant.)'

Conversely, I tend to post less to avoid being labelled as a wrist slasher
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No, you just get labelled contrary........