comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sandy, you are Simon B 100% mate. It’s pretty obvious. He logs in with the same opinion and you comment literally 1 minute later. Happens far too often to be a coincidence.
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Don, it`s hilarious that you think so. I think I know I am not. But no worries, you and Fridge keep on thinking. I find it hilarious that two supposedly grown men can get so sucked in by another poster.

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenomenonecoglou (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I miss Mr brightside
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that was a killer user name
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Good day sir all good?
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all good yourself?

bit stressful and tiring running a house and trying to get my last exam out the way

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I can't take anything he says seriously. He comes on here as Simon B, writes a comment, logs out, logs in with a new email and username and then echoes the same sentiment as Sandy. Seriously, I have no idea what the point is. It's laughable.
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Spurs will not compete for the big trophies long term under Enic/levy in my opinion.

They portray them as a big club (they are) but operate like a bargain basement club

Of the current top 6 (I hate that term) imo they are most likely to be the ones to drop out and be replaced by Newcastle

I like the manager and his style of play and will enjoy watching when the can but with those owners he’s operating with one hand tied behind his back
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Oh because Spurs don`t spend a billion like Chelsea, they are acting as a bargain basement club. What a load of tosh.

They spend enough, just not what the financially doped clubs spend. Nothing wrong with that.

Football is all but finished anyway. Its as uncompetitive as it as ever been in my lifetime. Even when clubs like Liverpool in the 1970s and Man United in the the 1990s were winning multiple titles, the other domestic trophies were up for grabs. Not anymore.
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If it’s finished why bother caring?
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I only care about Spurs, because it`s in my blood, and Tottenham is the area I come from. Football in general though completely sucks.

The ceiling of Enic's ambition is 4th place

The only trophies they desire are the "smallest net spend/ biggest revenue Oscar, "Architectural Digest award for best stadium & best minimalist training ground 2023" and UK Plastic distributors award for "cleverest beer cup of the year"

Its style over substance, smoke and mirrors bullshlt

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wouldnt say i support them.

But everything they have done for the club culminated in the new stadium which also followed some good years. We are financially in a much better position and a review of our pre and post New Stadium transfer/wage spending will demonstrate that.

Since sacking Poch though, they have made a succession of bad choices. Nuno was the only rank awful choice, he was always going to be a disaster. Jose & Conte were poor decisions in the end but both managers also failed to deliver, especially Conte and you just have to look at Bissouma to see that while Conte may have been the wrong type of manager for us, he certainly made a mess of things as well.

These poor decisions & poor managing have seen us decline, which has ultimately costs is Kane. That said, people need to reflect that when we ended 4th last year and things looked rosy, Kane didnt want to sign a new deal then so may be he was always leaving unless we suddenly turned into title winners.

New era has begun. A well selected manager who fits our club better than the last lot (good decision!) Some decent signings made (good decisions) and we expect a few more with players going out.

It is now a period of growth & development and we are well placed to do this with the Kane money. If we shift some of the unwanted and get decent players in and give Ange the foundations to build (that was our youngest team in 3.5 years vs Brentford BTW) then whats the need for change?

I have seen plenty of the Sugar Daddy dreamers, lauding what Chelsea have done, so desperate is their desire, but actually nearly all clubs are run as normal businesses, making ends meet, spending what they earn, not making massive financial gambles like CFC. I dont see Spurs as any different or our owners acting wildly different from most. Yes there are elements of Levy's style which are utterly infuriating but it isnt incompetent, if anything it is too far the other way, too safe, too considered, too tightly negotiated.

IMO fans need to get on behind the club. This new era needs support, not toxicity and actually if we do the in and out deals needed this summer then the club have actually delivered pretty well, and we can focus on stuff on the pitch, rather than always looking for negativity off it.

They dont have my full support. I am not an ENIC supporter, Im a Spurs supporter. This is, for even the most patient, their last chance and so far i dont think its been too bad and we are all excited about the coming season with good reason.
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I get a lot of this Dev but you can't deny that a lot of those bad decisions are as a consequence of not spending a little more money - money we're more than capable of spending given the 400m FFP allowance for loss over a 5 year period. We operate completely in the black. Hardly any other club does that. It's almost too safe because as we're now discovering, FFP rules are flagrantly ignored.

I accept we'd made some terrible decisions and not all of them are financial. Flip-flopping on philosophies and managers being just two. But you can't ignore that when we wanted Fernandes, we ended up with Lo Celso. When we wanted Dias, we ended up with Rodon. There's a list as long as my arm of poor players recruited because the alternative was deemed too expensive. In terms of revenue/income over the last 10 years, we're close to Liverpool and Arsenal, yet they go big when they really need to. Allison and VVD to really kick on for Liverpool and now Arsenal off the back of a 2nd place finish, are being really ambitious in the market to go that one step further. Where was our ambition after Poch got us to 2nd? I believe that was the year we spent nothing at all.

I admire your ability to be optimistic with ENICs history but I've hit a wall with them now. If we really want to win something, and I mean truly compete - not some pointless league cup every 10 years, then we're going to need owners with ambition. That never has been, and never will be, Levy & ENIC.

I think that off the pitch… Levy & Enic have done pretty well…

It’s on it, that’s the problem… if anyone else had failed s much as they have… they would have been sacked, ages ago

So they can’t exactly expect us, to put up with it!!

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I can't take anything he says seriously. He comes on here as Simon B, writes a comment, logs out, logs in with a new email and username and then echoes the same sentiment as Sandy. Seriously, I have no idea what the point is. It's laughable.
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Spurs will not compete for the big trophies long term under Enic/levy in my opinion.

They portray them as a big club (they are) but operate like a bargain basement club

Of the current top 6 (I hate that term) imo they are most likely to be the ones to drop out and be replaced by Newcastle

I like the manager and his style of play and will enjoy watching when the can but with those owners he’s operating with one hand tied behind his back
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Oh because Spurs don`t spend a billion like Chelsea, they are acting as a bargain basement club. What a load of tosh.

They spend enough, just not what the financially doped clubs spend. Nothing wrong with that.

Football is all but finished anyway. Its as uncompetitive as it as ever been in my lifetime. Even when clubs like Liverpool in the 1970s and Man United in the the 1990s were winning multiple titles, the other domestic trophies were up for grabs. Not anymore.
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The simple narrative of not spending big = no ambition is for the simple.

Spurs have Bissouma £25m, Arsenal have Rice £105m

Spurs have Maddison £40m, Arsenal have Havertz £65m.

£65m spend vs £170m spend. Have we gone bargain basement? Which pair would you rather buy?

Indeed for less than what Arsenal have spent in those positions, we have secured Romero, Maddison, Bentancur, Deki, Bissouma, Udogie. The foundation of our team for years to come and players that we all like and can get behind.

comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 1 minute ago
I think that off the pitch… Levy & Enic have done pretty well…

It’s on it, that’s the problem… if anyone else had failed s much as they have… they would have been sacked, ages ago

So they can’t exactly expect us, to put up with it!!
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its cus Daniel cant stay away from football matters and if he cant do that then he needs to go if he cares about the football club

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
The ceiling of Enic's ambition is 4th place

The only trophies they desire are the "smallest net spend/ biggest revenue Oscar, "Architectural Digest award for best stadium & best minimalist training ground 2023" and UK Plastic distributors award for "cleverest beer cup of the year"

Its style over substance, smoke and mirrors bullshlt
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I doubt it is. But you do realise in the modern era, two financially doped clubs have cornered the market in the 21st century. Even Liverpool are finding it hard to compete. Yes they have won 1 league title, and 1 CL recently, but they are now struggling to even make top four. And one title in 33 seasons is not something they are used to. Even Man United are finding it hard to compete other than a top four position.

Why do you think Spurs are any different?

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 5 minutes ago
The ceiling of Enic's ambition is 4th place

The only trophies they desire are the "smallest net spend/ biggest revenue Oscar, "Architectural Digest award for best stadium & best minimalist training ground 2023" and UK Plastic distributors award for "cleverest beer cup of the year"

Its style over substance, smoke and mirrors bullshlt
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Diamond, Spurs were hardly hoovering up titles in the 120 years before ENIC, so why do you think they should be now. Top Four throughout Spurs 140 year history as been about as good as it ever got in the league, save for a couple of seasons. At least Spurs have actually won a couple of titles. Your new kids on the block Brighton and Brentford have never won a trophy in their history. Just be grateful for what you have, and stop wishing for things that probably will never happen, whoever the owner is.

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 16 minutes ago
Sandy, you are Simon B 100% mate. It’s pretty obvious. He logs in with the same opinion and you comment literally 1 minute later. Happens far too often to be a coincidence.
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Even has same initials

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
The ceiling of Enic's ambition is 4th place

The only trophies they desire are the "smallest net spend/ biggest revenue Oscar, "Architectural Digest award for best stadium & best minimalist training ground 2023" and UK Plastic distributors award for "cleverest beer cup of the year"

Its style over substance, smoke and mirrors bullshlt
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I doubt it is. But you do realise in the modern era, two financially doped clubs have cornered the market in the 21st century. Even Liverpool are finding it hard to compete. Yes they have won 1 league title, and 1 CL recently, but they are now struggling to even make top four. And one title in 33 seasons is not something they are used to. Even Man United are finding it hard to compete other than a top four position.

Why do you think Spurs are any different?


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Enic yardstick isn't about winning things for me. Its about professionalism of appointments and long term strategy on the pitch. They can't decide on a plan...this shows they are no longer capable. Ange is buying them time though. They struck gold with him

comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 38 minutes ago
Why would I not support the owners of our club when they have significantly improved the position the the club was left in by the previous owners in every aspect?
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Alan Sugar won the same amount of trophies as Levy in less seasons in charge, so ENIC have not significantly improved the club in every aspect at all.

ENIC have improved the infrastructure with a view to increasing the value of their investment, they have not kept up with the evolving football world and have faile miserably on the pitch.

Unfortunately, sporting success is not required by ENIC to achieve their goal of making money and increasing the value of the club, hence why silverware is not a major concern.

Levy out.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wouldnt say i support them.

But everything they have done for the club culminated in the new stadium which also followed some good years. We are financially in a much better position and a review of our pre and post New Stadium transfer/wage spending will demonstrate that.

Since sacking Poch though, they have made a succession of bad choices. Nuno was the only rank awful choice, he was always going to be a disaster. Jose & Conte were poor decisions in the end but both managers also failed to deliver, especially Conte and you just have to look at Bissouma to see that while Conte may have been the wrong type of manager for us, he certainly made a mess of things as well.

These poor decisions & poor managing have seen us decline, which has ultimately costs is Kane. That said, people need to reflect that when we ended 4th last year and things looked rosy, Kane didnt want to sign a new deal then so may be he was always leaving unless we suddenly turned into title winners.

New era has begun. A well selected manager who fits our club better than the last lot (good decision!) Some decent signings made (good decisions) and we expect a few more with players going out.

It is now a period of growth & development and we are well placed to do this with the Kane money. If we shift some of the unwanted and get decent players in and give Ange the foundations to build (that was our youngest team in 3.5 years vs Brentford BTW) then whats the need for change?

I have seen plenty of the Sugar Daddy dreamers, lauding what Chelsea have done, so desperate is their desire, but actually nearly all clubs are run as normal businesses, making ends meet, spending what they earn, not making massive financial gambles like CFC. I dont see Spurs as any different or our owners acting wildly different from most. Yes there are elements of Levy's style which are utterly infuriating but it isnt incompetent, if anything it is too far the other way, too safe, too considered, too tightly negotiated.

IMO fans need to get on behind the club. This new era needs support, not toxicity and actually if we do the in and out deals needed this summer then the club have actually delivered pretty well, and we can focus on stuff on the pitch, rather than always looking for negativity off it.

They dont have my full support. I am not an ENIC supporter, Im a Spurs supporter. This is, for even the most patient, their last chance and so far i dont think its been too bad and we are all excited about the coming season with good reason.
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I get a lot of this Dev but you can't deny that a lot of those bad decisions are as a consequence of not spending a little more money - money we're more than capable of spending given the 400m FFP allowance for loss over a 5 year period. We operate completely in the black. Hardly any other club does that. It's almost too safe because as we're now discovering, FFP rules are flagrantly ignored.

I accept we'd made some terrible decisions and not all of them are financial. Flip-flopping on philosophies and managers being just two. But you can't ignore that when we wanted Fernandes, we ended up with Lo Celso. When we wanted Dias, we ended up with Rodon. There's a list as long as my arm of poor players recruited because the alternative was deemed too expensive. In terms of revenue/income over the last 10 years, we're close to Liverpool and Arsenal, yet they go big when they really need to. Allison and VVD to really kick on for Liverpool and now Arsenal off the back of a 2nd place finish, are being really ambitious in the market to go that one step further. Where was our ambition after Poch got us to 2nd? I believe that was the year we spent nothing at all.

I admire your ability to be optimistic with ENICs history but I've hit a wall with them now. If we really want to win something, and I mean truly compete - not some pointless league cup every 10 years, then we're going to need owners with ambition. That never has been, and never will be, Levy & ENIC.
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For me ENIC have been up and down but one cannot deny the upwards direction of travel overall up to 2019. Since then we hit the ceiling and bounce back down and its been a mess.

May be ENIC dont have it in them to get us the next step.


But i don't necessarily that that's entirely down to them. Look at Liverpool struggling, not having the resources to compete with those above, 5th last season which wont help. Losing players to Saudi, missing their big targets to replace them. Unless you are the silly money clubs, it is a struggle, everything needs to be perfect to truly break through. Even Utds spending has had to be checked due to their FFP position.

So while i will criticise for poor decisions that have set us back, i also do not ignore the fact that Spurs are probably the 6th biggest team in the league, financially, and to achieve better than that is an achievement and there is a massive headwind against us and other teams who wish to break in to the very upper parts of the league. Well done Arsenal, they have done for a season, no UCL, can they maintain it? may be? Will NUFC do any better than last year. Dont expect them to challenge City, nor United who still seem unbalanced. Chelsea may take another year for it all to settle in but look what they have spent.

What do people expect from new owners? What would change to make us challengers for the title?
The closest we have come to this in 30 years has been under ENIC.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I can't take anything he says seriously. He comes on here as Simon B, writes a comment, logs out, logs in with a new email and username and then echoes the same sentiment as Sandy. Seriously, I have no idea what the point is. It's laughable.
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Spurs will not compete for the big trophies long term under Enic/levy in my opinion.

They portray them as a big club (they are) but operate like a bargain basement club

Of the current top 6 (I hate that term) imo they are most likely to be the ones to drop out and be replaced by Newcastle

I like the manager and his style of play and will enjoy watching when the can but with those owners he’s operating with one hand tied behind his back
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Oh because Spurs don`t spend a billion like Chelsea, they are acting as a bargain basement club. What a load of tosh.

They spend enough, just not what the financially doped clubs spend. Nothing wrong with that.

Football is all but finished anyway. Its as uncompetitive as it as ever been in my lifetime. Even when clubs like Liverpool in the 1970s and Man United in the the 1990s were winning multiple titles, the other domestic trophies were up for grabs. Not anymore.
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The simple narrative of not spending big = no ambition is for the simple.

Spurs have Bissouma £25m, Arsenal have Rice £105m

Spurs have Maddison £40m, Arsenal have Havertz £65m.

£65m spend vs £170m spend. Have we gone bargain basement? Which pair would you rather buy?

Indeed for less than what Arsenal have spent in those positions, we have secured Romero, Maddison, Bentancur, Deki, Bissouma, Udogie. The foundation of our team for years to come and players that we all like and can get behind.
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It's very easy to cherry pick good deals for us and bad deal for them. The truth is that it should be a mixture of the two shouldn't it? That's what I'd alluded to in the previous post. Arsenal bought Martinelli for £6m, Odergaard for £30m plus many more for competitive prices. They then developed a squad capable of getting CL football and once they were in, they showed financial ambition to match the on field achievements. That's why they went big on Rice and Havertz. Whether they're a success or not is irrelevant. If Levy tried to sign a player and put a bid in of over 80/90/100m I think we'd applaud the ambition but still question whether we chose the right player. They're too different things. The issue is that Levy never will. The financial ambition at Spurs only matches the on-field ambition up until CL qualification is achieved, then it slows.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I can't take anything he says seriously. He comes on here as Simon B, writes a comment, logs out, logs in with a new email and username and then echoes the same sentiment as Sandy. Seriously, I have no idea what the point is. It's laughable.
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Spurs will not compete for the big trophies long term under Enic/levy in my opinion.

They portray them as a big club (they are) but operate like a bargain basement club

Of the current top 6 (I hate that term) imo they are most likely to be the ones to drop out and be replaced by Newcastle

I like the manager and his style of play and will enjoy watching when the can but with those owners he’s operating with one hand tied behind his back
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Oh because Spurs don`t spend a billion like Chelsea, they are acting as a bargain basement club. What a load of tosh.

They spend enough, just not what the financially doped clubs spend. Nothing wrong with that.

Football is all but finished anyway. Its as uncompetitive as it as ever been in my lifetime. Even when clubs like Liverpool in the 1970s and Man United in the the 1990s were winning multiple titles, the other domestic trophies were up for grabs. Not anymore.
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The simple narrative of not spending big = no ambition is for the simple.

Spurs have Bissouma £25m, Arsenal have Rice £105m

Spurs have Maddison £40m, Arsenal have Havertz £65m.

£65m spend vs £170m spend. Have we gone bargain basement? Which pair would you rather buy?

Indeed for less than what Arsenal have spent in those positions, we have secured Romero, Maddison, Bentancur, Deki, Bissouma, Udogie. The foundation of our team for years to come and players that we all like and can get behind.
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100 per cent correct. What`s the point of spending £800 million like Chelsea last season to go from 4th to 12th?

Of course if you keep on spending, then eventually it may come right, like it did for both Chelsea first time around, and now City. But it is simply not sustainable for clubs to keep spending like both City and Chelsea.

Also don`t forget both City and Chelsea are still under investigation for financial irregularities, and sooner or later their cheating is going to catch up with them.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I can't take anything he says seriously. He comes on here as Simon B, writes a comment, logs out, logs in with a new email and username and then echoes the same sentiment as Sandy. Seriously, I have no idea what the point is. It's laughable.
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Spurs will not compete for the big trophies long term under Enic/levy in my opinion.

They portray them as a big club (they are) but operate like a bargain basement club

Of the current top 6 (I hate that term) imo they are most likely to be the ones to drop out and be replaced by Newcastle

I like the manager and his style of play and will enjoy watching when the can but with those owners he’s operating with one hand tied behind his back
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Oh because Spurs don`t spend a billion like Chelsea, they are acting as a bargain basement club. What a load of tosh.

They spend enough, just not what the financially doped clubs spend. Nothing wrong with that.

Football is all but finished anyway. Its as uncompetitive as it as ever been in my lifetime. Even when clubs like Liverpool in the 1970s and Man United in the the 1990s were winning multiple titles, the other domestic trophies were up for grabs. Not anymore.
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The simple narrative of not spending big = no ambition is for the simple.

Spurs have Bissouma £25m, Arsenal have Rice £105m

Spurs have Maddison £40m, Arsenal have Havertz £65m.

£65m spend vs £170m spend. Have we gone bargain basement? Which pair would you rather buy?

Indeed for less than what Arsenal have spent in those positions, we have secured Romero, Maddison, Bentancur, Deki, Bissouma, Udogie. The foundation of our team for years to come and players that we all like and can get behind.
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It's very easy to cherry pick good deals for us and bad deal for them. The truth is that it should be a mixture of the two shouldn't it? That's what I'd alluded to in the previous post. Arsenal bought Martinelli for £6m, Odergaard for £30m plus many more for competitive prices. They then developed a squad capable of getting CL football and once they were in, they showed financial ambition to match the on field achievements. That's why they went big on Rice and Havertz. Whether they're a success or not is irrelevant. If Levy tried to sign a player and put a bid in of over 80/90/100m I think we'd applaud the ambition but still question whether we chose the right player. They're too different things. The issue is that Levy never will. The financial ambition at Spurs only matches the on-field ambition up until CL qualification is achieved, then it slows.
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Arsenal also brought Pepe for £70 million.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wouldnt say i support them.

But everything they have done for the club culminated in the new stadium which also followed some good years. We are financially in a much better position and a review of our pre and post New Stadium transfer/wage spending will demonstrate that.

Since sacking Poch though, they have made a succession of bad choices. Nuno was the only rank awful choice, he was always going to be a disaster. Jose & Conte were poor decisions in the end but both managers also failed to deliver, especially Conte and you just have to look at Bissouma to see that while Conte may have been the wrong type of manager for us, he certainly made a mess of things as well.

These poor decisions & poor managing have seen us decline, which has ultimately costs is Kane. That said, people need to reflect that when we ended 4th last year and things looked rosy, Kane didnt want to sign a new deal then so may be he was always leaving unless we suddenly turned into title winners.

New era has begun. A well selected manager who fits our club better than the last lot (good decision!) Some decent signings made (good decisions) and we expect a few more with players going out.

It is now a period of growth & development and we are well placed to do this with the Kane money. If we shift some of the unwanted and get decent players in and give Ange the foundations to build (that was our youngest team in 3.5 years vs Brentford BTW) then whats the need for change?

I have seen plenty of the Sugar Daddy dreamers, lauding what Chelsea have done, so desperate is their desire, but actually nearly all clubs are run as normal businesses, making ends meet, spending what they earn, not making massive financial gambles like CFC. I dont see Spurs as any different or our owners acting wildly different from most. Yes there are elements of Levy's style which are utterly infuriating but it isnt incompetent, if anything it is too far the other way, too safe, too considered, too tightly negotiated.

IMO fans need to get on behind the club. This new era needs support, not toxicity and actually if we do the in and out deals needed this summer then the club have actually delivered pretty well, and we can focus on stuff on the pitch, rather than always looking for negativity off it.

They dont have my full support. I am not an ENIC supporter, Im a Spurs supporter. This is, for even the most patient, their last chance and so far i dont think its been too bad and we are all excited about the coming season with good reason.
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I get a lot of this Dev but you can't deny that a lot of those bad decisions are as a consequence of not spending a little more money - money we're more than capable of spending given the 400m FFP allowance for loss over a 5 year period. We operate completely in the black. Hardly any other club does that. It's almost too safe because as we're now discovering, FFP rules are flagrantly ignored.

I accept we'd made some terrible decisions and not all of them are financial. Flip-flopping on philosophies and managers being just two. But you can't ignore that when we wanted Fernandes, we ended up with Lo Celso. When we wanted Dias, we ended up with Rodon. There's a list as long as my arm of poor players recruited because the alternative was deemed too expensive. In terms of revenue/income over the last 10 years, we're close to Liverpool and Arsenal, yet they go big when they really need to. Allison and VVD to really kick on for Liverpool and now Arsenal off the back of a 2nd place finish, are being really ambitious in the market to go that one step further. Where was our ambition after Poch got us to 2nd? I believe that was the year we spent nothing at all.

I admire your ability to be optimistic with ENICs history but I've hit a wall with them now. If we really want to win something, and I mean truly compete - not some pointless league cup every 10 years, then we're going to need owners with ambition. That never has been, and never will be, Levy & ENIC.
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For me ENIC have been up and down but one cannot deny the upwards direction of travel overall up to 2019. Since then we hit the ceiling and bounce back down and its been a mess.

May be ENIC dont have it in them to get us the next step.


But i don't necessarily that that's entirely down to them. Look at Liverpool struggling, not having the resources to compete with those above, 5th last season which wont help. Losing players to Saudi, missing their big targets to replace them. Unless you are the silly money clubs, it is a struggle, everything needs to be perfect to truly break through. Even Utds spending has had to be checked due to their FFP position.

So while i will criticise for poor decisions that have set us back, i also do not ignore the fact that Spurs are probably the 6th biggest team in the league, financially, and to achieve better than that is an achievement and there is a massive headwind against us and other teams who wish to break in to the very upper parts of the league. Well done Arsenal, they have done for a season, no UCL, can they maintain it? may be? Will NUFC do any better than last year. Dont expect them to challenge City, nor United who still seem unbalanced. Chelsea may take another year for it all to settle in but look what they have spent.

What do people expect from new owners? What would change to make us challengers for the title?
The closest we have come to this in 30 years has been under ENIC.
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The closest we have come to this in 30 years has been under Pochettino.

Remember that. He masked ENICs failings then as much as Klopp is doing the same for the Fenway group.

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Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I miss Mr brightside
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that was a killer user name
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Good day sir all good?
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all good yourself?

bit stressful and tiring running a house and trying to get my last exam out the way
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Good mate. Welcome to the real world

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I wouldnt say i support them.

But everything they have done for the club culminated in the new stadium which also followed some good years. We are financially in a much better position and a review of our pre and post New Stadium transfer/wage spending will demonstrate that.

Since sacking Poch though, they have made a succession of bad choices. Nuno was the only rank awful choice, he was always going to be a disaster. Jose & Conte were poor decisions in the end but both managers also failed to deliver, especially Conte and you just have to look at Bissouma to see that while Conte may have been the wrong type of manager for us, he certainly made a mess of things as well.

These poor decisions & poor managing have seen us decline, which has ultimately costs is Kane. That said, people need to reflect that when we ended 4th last year and things looked rosy, Kane didnt want to sign a new deal then so may be he was always leaving unless we suddenly turned into title winners.

New era has begun. A well selected manager who fits our club better than the last lot (good decision!) Some decent signings made (good decisions) and we expect a few more with players going out.

It is now a period of growth & development and we are well placed to do this with the Kane money. If we shift some of the unwanted and get decent players in and give Ange the foundations to build (that was our youngest team in 3.5 years vs Brentford BTW) then whats the need for change?

I have seen plenty of the Sugar Daddy dreamers, lauding what Chelsea have done, so desperate is their desire, but actually nearly all clubs are run as normal businesses, making ends meet, spending what they earn, not making massive financial gambles like CFC. I dont see Spurs as any different or our owners acting wildly different from most. Yes there are elements of Levy's style which are utterly infuriating but it isnt incompetent, if anything it is too far the other way, too safe, too considered, too tightly negotiated.

IMO fans need to get on behind the club. This new era needs support, not toxicity and actually if we do the in and out deals needed this summer then the club have actually delivered pretty well, and we can focus on stuff on the pitch, rather than always looking for negativity off it.

They dont have my full support. I am not an ENIC supporter, Im a Spurs supporter. This is, for even the most patient, their last chance and so far i dont think its been too bad and we are all excited about the coming season with good reason.
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I get a lot of this Dev but you can't deny that a lot of those bad decisions are as a consequence of not spending a little more money - money we're more than capable of spending given the 400m FFP allowance for loss over a 5 year period. We operate completely in the black. Hardly any other club does that. It's almost too safe because as we're now discovering, FFP rules are flagrantly ignored.

I accept we'd made some terrible decisions and not all of them are financial. Flip-flopping on philosophies and managers being just two. But you can't ignore that when we wanted Fernandes, we ended up with Lo Celso. When we wanted Dias, we ended up with Rodon. There's a list as long as my arm of poor players recruited because the alternative was deemed too expensive. In terms of revenue/income over the last 10 years, we're close to Liverpool and Arsenal, yet they go big when they really need to. Allison and VVD to really kick on for Liverpool and now Arsenal off the back of a 2nd place finish, are being really ambitious in the market to go that one step further. Where was our ambition after Poch got us to 2nd? I believe that was the year we spent nothing at all.

I admire your ability to be optimistic with ENICs history but I've hit a wall with them now. If we really want to win something, and I mean truly compete - not some pointless league cup every 10 years, then we're going to need owners with ambition. That never has been, and never will be, Levy & ENIC.
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Not sure what Devon is wittering on about. A new era absolutely has NOT begun.

It will be a new era once Levy and ENIC have f*cked off.

Levy will never change, Ange will be left with a short squad 100%, even now our recruitment has ground to a halt when we are crying out for another CB, DM and CF.

It`s the same nonsense as always, with Levy dragging out deals until the last knockings of the window, to try and save a few quid, and ultimately picking up opportunistic signings instead of those the manager actually asks for, all in the name of the balance sheet.

Vintage Levy.

Levy out.

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I wouldnt say i support them.

But everything they have done for the club culminated in the new stadium which also followed some good years. We are financially in a much better position and a review of our pre and post New Stadium transfer/wage spending will demonstrate that.

Since sacking Poch though, they have made a succession of bad choices. Nuno was the only rank awful choice, he was always going to be a disaster. Jose & Conte were poor decisions in the end but both managers also failed to deliver, especially Conte and you just have to look at Bissouma to see that while Conte may have been the wrong type of manager for us, he certainly made a mess of things as well.

These poor decisions & poor managing have seen us decline, which has ultimately costs is Kane. That said, people need to reflect that when we ended 4th last year and things looked rosy, Kane didnt want to sign a new deal then so may be he was always leaving unless we suddenly turned into title winners.

New era has begun. A well selected manager who fits our club better than the last lot (good decision!) Some decent signings made (good decisions) and we expect a few more with players going out.

It is now a period of growth & development and we are well placed to do this with the Kane money. If we shift some of the unwanted and get decent players in and give Ange the foundations to build (that was our youngest team in 3.5 years vs Brentford BTW) then whats the need for change?

I have seen plenty of the Sugar Daddy dreamers, lauding what Chelsea have done, so desperate is their desire, but actually nearly all clubs are run as normal businesses, making ends meet, spending what they earn, not making massive financial gambles like CFC. I dont see Spurs as any different or our owners acting wildly different from most. Yes there are elements of Levy's style which are utterly infuriating but it isnt incompetent, if anything it is too far the other way, too safe, too considered, too tightly negotiated.

IMO fans need to get on behind the club. This new era needs support, not toxicity and actually if we do the in and out deals needed this summer then the club have actually delivered pretty well, and we can focus on stuff on the pitch, rather than always looking for negativity off it.

They dont have my full support. I am not an ENIC supporter, Im a Spurs supporter. This is, for even the most patient, their last chance and so far i dont think its been too bad and we are all excited about the coming season with good reason.
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I get a lot of this Dev but you can't deny that a lot of those bad decisions are as a consequence of not spending a little more money - money we're more than capable of spending given the 400m FFP allowance for loss over a 5 year period. We operate completely in the black. Hardly any other club does that. It's almost too safe because as we're now discovering, FFP rules are flagrantly ignored.

I accept we'd made some terrible decisions and not all of them are financial. Flip-flopping on philosophies and managers being just two. But you can't ignore that when we wanted Fernandes, we ended up with Lo Celso. When we wanted Dias, we ended up with Rodon. There's a list as long as my arm of poor players recruited because the alternative was deemed too expensive. In terms of revenue/income over the last 10 years, we're close to Liverpool and Arsenal, yet they go big when they really need to. Allison and VVD to really kick on for Liverpool and now Arsenal off the back of a 2nd place finish, are being really ambitious in the market to go that one step further. Where was our ambition after Poch got us to 2nd? I believe that was the year we spent nothing at all.

I admire your ability to be optimistic with ENICs history but I've hit a wall with them now. If we really want to win something, and I mean truly compete - not some pointless league cup every 10 years, then we're going to need owners with ambition. That never has been, and never will be, Levy & ENIC.
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Not sure what Devon is wittering on about. A new era absolutely has NOT begun.

It will be a new era once Levy and ENIC have f*cked off.
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100%

Obviously we all know what he means but it doesn't matter what rug you put down if the shiiiit that's swept underneath it is the same.

comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
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Levy will never change, Ange will be left with a short squad 100%, even now our recruitment has ground to a halt when we are crying out for another CB, DM and CF.

It`s the same nonsense as always, with Levy dragging out deals until the last knockings of the window, to try and save a few quid, and ultimately picking up opportunistic signings instead of those the manager actually asks for, all in the name of the balance sheet.

Vintage Levy.

Levy out.
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You're right Billy. You were always right. I feel I owe you an apology for backing Levy at the time. He won't change now. We're pretty much treading water until someone else comes in.

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Levy will never change, Ange will be left with a short squad 100%, even now our recruitment has ground to a halt when we are crying out for another CB, DM and CF.

It`s the same nonsense as always, with Levy dragging out deals until the last knockings of the window, to try and save a few quid, and ultimately picking up opportunistic signings instead of those the manager actually asks for, all in the name of the balance sheet.

Vintage Levy.

Levy out.
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You're right Billy. You were always right. I feel I owe you an apology for backing Levy at the time. He won't change now. We're pretty much treading water until someone else comes in.
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No apology necessary, I`m just glad you have seen the light and are now fully on the ENIC out train

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Yes Sandy, Simon B & Bryan Strong.

Oh wait, that’s the same person.
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I can't take anything he says seriously. He comes on here as Simon B, writes a comment, logs out, logs in with a new email and username and then echoes the same sentiment as Sandy. Seriously, I have no idea what the point is. It's laughable.
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Spurs will not compete for the big trophies long term under Enic/levy in my opinion.

They portray them as a big club (they are) but operate like a bargain basement club

Of the current top 6 (I hate that term) imo they are most likely to be the ones to drop out and be replaced by Newcastle

I like the manager and his style of play and will enjoy watching when the can but with those owners he’s operating with one hand tied behind his back
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Oh because Spurs don`t spend a billion like Chelsea, they are acting as a bargain basement club. What a load of tosh.

They spend enough, just not what the financially doped clubs spend. Nothing wrong with that.

Football is all but finished anyway. Its as uncompetitive as it as ever been in my lifetime. Even when clubs like Liverpool in the 1970s and Man United in the the 1990s were winning multiple titles, the other domestic trophies were up for grabs. Not anymore.
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The simple narrative of not spending big = no ambition is for the simple.

Spurs have Bissouma £25m, Arsenal have Rice £105m

Spurs have Maddison £40m, Arsenal have Havertz £65m.

£65m spend vs £170m spend. Have we gone bargain basement? Which pair would you rather buy?

Indeed for less than what Arsenal have spent in those positions, we have secured Romero, Maddison, Bentancur, Deki, Bissouma, Udogie. The foundation of our team for years to come and players that we all like and can get behind.
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It's very easy to cherry pick good deals for us and bad deal for them. The truth is that it should be a mixture of the two shouldn't it? That's what I'd alluded to in the previous post. Arsenal bought Martinelli for £6m, Odergaard for £30m plus many more for competitive prices. They then developed a squad capable of getting CL football and once they were in, they showed financial ambition to match the on field achievements. That's why they went big on Rice and Havertz. Whether they're a success or not is irrelevant. If Levy tried to sign a player and put a bid in of over 80/90/100m I think we'd applaud the ambition but still question whether we chose the right player. They're too different things. The issue is that Levy never will. The financial ambition at Spurs only matches the on-field ambition up until CL qualification is achieved, then it slows.
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Would you have been happier is Maddison cost us £75m and Bisouma £50m because i am look at the quality there and judging what player we have bought, not the fee.

Lest we forget our record signing who is one of the biggest flops ever.