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comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 22/8/23

BTW am not blaming Farke, am saying he is saying it how it is and it's looking like it's not being supported by owners.

posted on 22/8/23

Well they also say Americans are full of shyttte, obsessed with money and are insincere.... Have a nice day and all that!

Jonty used the term money laundering and I also remember how Portsmouth were completely taken in by a shower who completely raped them financially.

I've always thought where a lot of money is at the centre of any organisation, corruption lurks in the shadows.
Leeds United is easy pickings it would seem.

If and when Farke walks out then that will be the nail in the coffin.... while he is still there there is still hope but it is hanging by a thread and the complete lack of communication is the worst I've known at Leeds and only fuels all this negative speculation.

comment by RobLUFC (U5692)

posted on 22/8/23

I feel that there are people working hard on deals etc but getting the rug pulled from under their feet. They are hiding in the background and leaving Farke to answer all the questions. Diabolical communication.

posted on 22/8/23

The way this is all going I'd say make the most of Elland Road because sooner or later it will be sold off, flattened and a spanking new Aldi will stand in its place!

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Macca: Emily Bronte's lovechild (U8194)
posted 56 minutes ago


Unless the 49ers can prove to us in the next 10 days or so are fears are unfounded I'm probably going to take a reduced interest in all things Leeds United as I'm not prepared to be made a mug of for the next five, six or howevever many years it takes us to get some half decent ownership that actually gives a monkey's about the fans and not fleecing us left right and centre.
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Likewise, I'm surprised & actually somewhat disappointed by myself but I'm also questioning how much more of this Ken Bates style nonsense I can take. I'm sure we all thought the disasters of 2004 & 2007 would never be repeated, but unbelievably it all looks to be playing out in front of our eyes all over again.

I remember Phil Hay in early July advising us all to be calm & patient. This is how the 49ers do their business, we were told. They are thorough, methodical & meticulous. I'm calling bs on that.

I believe protests at Elland Road could be just around the corner when it finally dawns on us all how dire this situation is.

posted on 22/8/23

Can’t keep going backward and forward but unless clubs will wait 3 months for there money the 49ers are unable to do business, I would say I find it hard an organisation that big struggling to sort things out but maybe that’s down to the previous owner

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by AndDonRevieistheKing (U7852)
posted 15 minutes ago
Can’t keep going backward and forward but unless clubs will wait 3 months for there money the 49ers are unable to do business, I would say I find it hard an organisation that big struggling to sort things out but maybe that’s down to the previous owner
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Why do they have to wait for money exactly?

Where have our parachute payments gone?

Why dont 49ers dip into their pickets, especially if it's just a cashflow issue?

If they haven't got the money now, what the hell are they going to do next summer when parachute payments less and all these loan players return?


posted on 22/8/23

Ten days left and by my reckoning we have got two deals over the line, one of them seems to be a bench warmer. Not really counting Sam who wasn't really a transfer or the Spurs loanee.
Got to be the worst window ever.
Been 24 days since they actually bought anybody, paying a massive £400k for Darlow.
I know Ted Lasso is so last year but it kills you doesn't it, hope? At Leeds it does anyhow.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Elsbels - Man of colour (U21658)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ten days left and by my reckoning we have got two deals over the line, one of them seems to be a bench warmer. Not really counting Sam who wasn't really a transfer or the Spurs loanee.
Got to be the worst window ever.
Been 24 days since they actually bought anybody, paying a massive £400k for Darlow.
I know Ted Lasso is so last year but it kills you doesn't it, hope? At Leeds it does anyhow.
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just need to look at facts to see something is not adding up.

49ers been involved with Leeds already for a number of years.

49ers saved themselves 230m in purchase of Leeds.

Paraag counters that plans are aggressive.

We know we get parachute payments.

Kinnear says 30m saved in wages will be spent on team.

Kinnear says 49ers substantially financial backing Leeds.

Farke says we need strengthening in every position.

Adams goes for 23mill

49ers worth $5.9 billion according to Forbes.

Yet we can't afford to buy any players.

Something does not add up.

posted on 22/8/23

It's basically turned into the house of horrors. If there's no money then that has to mean fraudulent activity has been happening on an industrial scale. What other explanation for there being no club funds available if hands haven't been in the till?

So just trying to put aside the emotion of all this which is virtually impossible, we are looking at free transfers and loans. That is our market. So that's why we will almost certainly sell what crown jewels we have left. We have been rinsed Ken Bates style, only this time an Italian job!

posted on 22/8/23

I think they thought more of the star players were going to stay, hence why they didn't feel the need to throw money at it. But now Adams has gone and Gnonto effectively with Sini out too, its left us too short in terms of quality (20th) and time left to sign replacements. We should have signed players before Willy refused to play and before Admas left, just encase they did leave. Just feels to me like they didn't have a contingency plan if we lost our top players.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 35 seconds ago
I think they thought more of the star players were going to stay, hence why they didn't feel the need to throw money at it. But now Adams has gone and Gnonto effectively with Sini out too, its left us too short in terms of quality (20th) and time left to sign replacements. We should have signed players before Willy refused to play and before Admas left, just encase they did leave. Just feels to me like they didn't have a contingency plan if we lost our top players.
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just like they admittedly didn't know the takeover process if we got relegated......

Can understand completely new owners not knowing teh ropes but they've been here for 5 years and Cline was part owner of Plymouth so they really cant plead ignorance re English football.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - Man of colour (U21658)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ten days left and by my reckoning we have got two deals over the line, one of them seems to be a bench warmer. Not really counting Sam who wasn't really a transfer or the Spurs loanee.
Got to be the worst window ever.
Been 24 days since they actually bought anybody, paying a massive £400k for Darlow.
I know Ted Lasso is so last year but it kills you doesn't it, hope? At Leeds it does anyhow.
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just need to look at facts to see something is not adding up.

49ers been involved with Leeds already for a number of years.

49ers saved themselves 230m in purchase of Leeds.

Paraag counters that plans are aggressive.

We know we get parachute payments.

Kinnear says 30m saved in wages will be spent on team.

Kinnear says 49ers substantially financial backing Leeds.

Farke says we need strengthening in every position.

Adams goes for 23mill

49ers worth $5.9 billion according to Forbes.

Yet we can't afford to buy any players.

Something does not add up.
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But it isn't just the 49ers is it, it's Speith, it's Nance, it's McConell, it's Cline Thomas, it's Iguodala, it's Phelps, it's Jack, it's Johnson, it's Landeskog, it's Schwimmer, it's Staley, it's Westbrook, it's Lowy, it's Meador and it's Justin Thomas.

Have these guys lost their shirts? or are they telling Marathe enough and preventing the necessary outlay.

Did they invest expecting to make big bucks without the investment needed. Didn't they know that nobody make money in the Championship?

posted on 22/8/23

I'm also starting to think the Aaron's affair was all orchestrated to give the impression the club isn't skint knowing full well that Bournemouth would eventually sign the player... Yes this all stinks of kicking the can down the road until transfer deadline day when we will pick up the loans and freebies our budget allows.

I will be pleasantly gob smacked if I've got this wrong and we actually sign some decent players this week and next. Hopefully Farke sticks around and can keep us up because that's what appears to be the reality of all this for this season.... Survival!

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Elsbels - Man of colour (U21658)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - Man of colour (U21658)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ten days left and by my reckoning we have got two deals over the line, one of them seems to be a bench warmer. Not really counting Sam who wasn't really a transfer or the Spurs loanee.
Got to be the worst window ever.
Been 24 days since they actually bought anybody, paying a massive £400k for Darlow.
I know Ted Lasso is so last year but it kills you doesn't it, hope? At Leeds it does anyhow.
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just need to look at facts to see something is not adding up.

49ers been involved with Leeds already for a number of years.

49ers saved themselves 230m in purchase of Leeds.

Paraag counters that plans are aggressive.

We know we get parachute payments.

Kinnear says 30m saved in wages will be spent on team.

Kinnear says 49ers substantially financial backing Leeds.

Farke says we need strengthening in every position.

Adams goes for 23mill

49ers worth $5.9 billion according to Forbes.

Yet we can't afford to buy any players.

Something does not add up.
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But it isn't just the 49ers is it, it's Speith, it's Nance, it's McConell, it's Cline Thomas, it's Iguodala, it's Phelps, it's Jack, it's Johnson, it's Landeskog, it's Schwimmer, it's Staley, it's Westbrook, it's Lowy, it's Meador and it's Justin Thomas.

Have these guys lost their shirts? or are they telling Marathe enough and preventing the necessary outlay.

Did they invest expecting to make big bucks without the investment needed. Didn't they know that nobody make money in the Championship?
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It doesnt make sense that 49er enterprises supposedly so wealthy:

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-takeover-49ers-enterprises-incredible-net-worth-revealed-and-where-they-rank-compared-to-liverpool-man-utd-arsenal-owners-4173106

yet formed a consortium with all these individuals.

I hope someone asks them the rationale for that.

posted on 22/8/23

Like always, its abit muddy.

Could be wrong but i thought all these investors are investing into 49ners enterprise, not Leeds directly.

and the 5.9b is the value of the whole group, doesnt mean anything

posted on 22/8/23

So now I'm locked into worst case scenario and pessimistic mode I may as well go all in and hazard a guess we have found like we did with GFH a smoke and mirrors operation. They wouldn't dare do what they appear to be doing to us in their own country and I suspect the branch or franchise part of the American football club that now owns Leeds will use the club funds to reward investors rather than splash out too much on new players.

They will do the barest minimum proclaiming their serious intentions but trousering the profits for themselves and their mates. Look how much Bates made for his little tax haven while we languished in league 1.

Leeds is the golden goose that keeps on laying and for a 1 million dollar investment in a couple of years that will yield 10 times that so all these other sports stars are just making a quick ruthless buck on the back of Leeds fanatical support.....It will turn out Ricky Fowler was the one with a conscience and integrity

Like I said we're an absolute goldmine and these new owners like previous know the rewards available with least financial input and empty bs promises, promotion or relegation matters not to them.

They will just walk away... oh well sorry it didn't work out, but be even more wealthy than they were before... It's just a game to them. They have no emotional investment.... We just have to hope they at least pay HMRC or else we will end up like Portsmouth.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 5 minutes ago
Like always, its abit muddy.

Could be wrong but i thought all these investors are investing into 49ners enterprise, not Leeds directly.

and the 5.9b is the value of the whole group, doesnt mean anything
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I know, the valuation thing is very misleading, but the consortium thing needs clarification and communication improved (Kinnear was asked about this by LUST as well).

Juts looking more in Paraag and the research doesn't make for good reading, its all about the money, not the team performance and you were right when you said you think he fell out with 49ers and been kind of exited, that is how they read it over in US it seems.

posted on 22/8/23

I just feel sick! All the hopes that we could bounce back first time because we had new wealthy owners and parachute payments plus a great manager have just turned to dust and been trodden into the ground. As I say, I just feel sick!

posted on 22/8/23

Any organisation that retains Angus Kinnear as their finance whizz kid has to be as dodgy as fack.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear it's all becoming clear the baton of shysterness has been passed onto to this new mob.

If this is not true please God give us a sign of hope because it just feels like deja vu, groundhog day, a massive shiiit storm all over again.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 5 minutes ago
Like always, its abit muddy.

Could be wrong but i thought all these investors are investing into 49ners enterprise, not Leeds directly.

and the 5.9b is the value of the whole group, doesnt mean anything
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I know, the valuation thing is very misleading, but the consortium thing needs clarification and communication improved (Kinnear was asked about this by LUST as well).

Juts looking more in Paraag and the research doesn't make for good reading, its all about the money, not the team performance and you were right when you said you think he fell out with 49ers and been kind of exited, that is how they read it over in US it seems.
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Yes a quick google and if you read between the lines, the blokes an arrogant pri ck.

posted on 22/8/23

So in conclusion. Radz has shafted us, got lucky with Bielsa and this new lot are just as bad if not worse. Only at Leeds!

comment by Jaz63 (U8369)

posted on 22/8/23

Well, that has really made my day.

posted on 22/8/23

Still plenty of time left in the transfer window.

comment by RobLUFC (U5692)

posted on 22/8/23

Looking forward to Farke's press conference on Thursday where again he is left having to explain that we are working 'incredibly hard' on transfers. Having to do the club's PR for them. He handles it well to be fair but shouldn't be having to be sole means of communication.

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