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posted on 22/8/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Very few have called him a racist.

Most found the non refuted recording enough.
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Rapist*

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
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Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
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Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
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Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
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Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
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Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
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Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
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Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

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Amber Heard and Johnny Depp were married

She photoshopped her injuries

I hope this highlights to you the problem with the court of public opinion

posted on 22/8/23



Most found the non refuted recording enough.
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Some.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
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Having read the club's statements again it does seem that they've left it slightly open for him. Recommce his career away from United etc.

Is there a world do you think where he does spill the beans away from United which allows him to return in a year or two? That is if the whole situation is cleared up.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

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You actually think he should release everything to the public and let them pick over it?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
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Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?
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I think most have haven’t they?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

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You actually think he should release everything to the public and let them pick over it?

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I would if it would change the public perception. Wouldn't you?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

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You actually think he should release everything to the public and let them pick over it?

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I would if it would change the public perception. Wouldn't you?
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What makes you think public perception is a reliable judge of whatever he releases?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

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You actually think he should release everything to the public and let them pick over it?

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No idea, it depends what the real events were that led to that audio recording and the withdrawal of key witnesses previously willing to testify and also what Greenwood wants to do himself in the future.

If he wants to at some point play for a high profile PL team again then I think he’s going to have to do more at some stage, even if it’s more public acts of redemption rather than explicitly releasing more details.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
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Having read the club's statements again it does seem that they've left it slightly open for him. Recommce his career away from United etc.

Is there a world do you think where he does spill the beans away from United which allows him to return in a year or two? That is if the whole situation is cleared up.
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Pretty sure from day 1 he amd Harriet has either been under restrictions in communicating info to the public about the case or under orders from their briefs. Its amazing and hilarious how some folk think that they need/should be in the loop of being privy to the details.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If he wants to at some point play for a high profile PL team again then I think he’s going to have to do more at some stage, even if it’s more public acts of redemption rather than explicitly releasing more details.
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Why would he want to though. United's statement will allow him to play in Spain, Germany, Italy if he wants to.

There's no guarantee by releasing anything that he'll change public perception here, or have to spend years defending himself in order to.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If he wants to at some point play for a high profile PL team again then I think he’s going to have to do more at some stage, even if it’s more public acts of redemption rather than explicitly releasing more details.
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Why would he want to though. United's statement will allow him to play in Spain, Germany, Italy if he wants to.

There's no guarantee by releasing anything that he'll change public perception here, or have to spend years defending himself in order to.
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I agree, like I said it depends on him and what he wants for his future career.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having read the club's statements again it does seem that they've left it slightly open for him. Recommce his career away from United etc.

Is there a world do you think where he does spill the beans away from United which allows him to return in a year or two? That is if the whole situation is cleared up.
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Currently, I can’t see it being possible.

posted on 22/8/23

Melts. I didn't think so either but, with United, you never know these days.

There's no expectancy on my part that MG will reveal what really happened in that full audio. What I would say though is that public opinion now seems to think of him as an abuser or even a rapist. If that was me I'd be wanting to put the record straight.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
Melts. I didn't think so either but, with United, you never know these days.

There's no expectancy on my part that MG will reveal what really happened in that full audio. What I would say though is that public opinion now seems to think of him as an abuser or even a rapist. If that was me I'd be wanting to put the record straight.
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Yep. There may well be valid explanations behind all of it, in the absence of it being made publicly though then I just don’t see him having a future back in the spotlight in this country at least and I don’t think anything will be released further as you’d expect them to have done it already. We’ve also already seen the reaction for trying to do it without releasing much further context.

posted on 22/8/23

Thing to look out for in the coming weeks is if any further info gets “unofficially” released to willing journos, that might give an idea

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?
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I think most have haven’t they?

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You just said most will either judge on the audio alone, or speculate.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)


If Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You actually think he should release everything to the public and let them pick over it?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No idea, it depends what the real events were that led to that audio recording and the withdrawal of key witnesses previously willing to testify and also what Greenwood wants to do himself in the future.

If he wants to at some point play for a high profile PL team again then I think he’s going to have to do more at some stage, even if it’s more public acts of redemption rather than explicitly releasing more details.
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I dont.

I think 2 years performing well and keeping his nose clean abroad and he will be picked up by a top club.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think most have haven’t they?

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You just said most will either judge on the audio alone, or speculate.
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That doesn’t mean they don’t accept the decision by the CPS or the club though, particularly as they’ve let him go.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?
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I think most have haven’t they?

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You just said most will either judge on the audio alone, or speculate.
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That doesn’t mean they don’t accept the decision by the CPS or the club though, particularly as they’ve let him go.

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Of course it does. The club said he didn't do it, and the CPS dropped the case, so if people accept these outcomes, what is left to speculate on?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think most have haven’t they?

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You just said most will either judge on the audio alone, or speculate.
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That doesn’t mean they don’t accept the decision by the CPS or the club though, particularly as they’ve let him go.

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Of course it does. The club said he didn't do it, and the CPS dropped the case, so if people accept these outcomes, what is left to speculate on?
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His mistakes

posted on 22/8/23

On the clubs statement, what did he do then and on the CPS dropping the case, why did the witnesses withdraw and what was the new evidence. They were clearly right to drop it as there was no realistic chance of prosecution.

People can think the CPS were clearly right to drop the case and for United to let him go and still speculate about the answers to those questions, particularly given United are letting him go.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Ohnono (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago

Whichever way you speculate isn’t good though. The scenario you pose, would you marry someone and want to have and bring a child up with them if they had manipulated audio and fabricated injuries that led to you being charged with incredibly serious offences and have a high likelihood of ruining your career…? That doesn’t sound particularly credible either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not heard of Amber Heard? Took Depp years and being dragged through the mud to clear his name.

1 in 200 are psychopaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure how that’s a comparative given he took her to court rather than marrying and and settling down!

To reiterate my first sentence there though, any speculation isn’t good. It will always happen given what’s currently in the public domain though, the one similarity to Depp is that if Greenwood really wants to change the court of public opinion then the only route he’s got is to be more public with the actual reasons and scenario of events.

Without that, people will either judge him purely on the audio or continue to speculate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Could they not accept the decision of the 'victim' the CPS and the club, and accept the clubs decision as the best outcome for all?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think most have haven’t they?

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You just said most will either judge on the audio alone, or speculate.
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That doesn’t mean they don’t accept the decision by the CPS or the club though, particularly as they’ve let him go.

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Of course it does. The club said he didn't do it, and the CPS dropped the case, so if people accept these outcomes, what is left to speculate on?
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His mistakes
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Breaking bail seems the logical conclusion. The 1 thing We KNOW he did.

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