comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 53 minutes ago
UnitedStand twitter accountOh so a totally verifiable and objective source

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The whole thing seems fairly reliable (to my knowledge, The United Stand is the biggest fan channel in the country) and they've apparently had this verified and have gone through all the appropriate legal channels to get this out.
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It proves fack all.
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I didn't say it proved anything. Thanks for your typically pointless input though

Honestly there's so much information coming out around this so quickly that I can't keep up with it.

When some contradictory evidence comes out, I don't understand how it is contradictory, but turns out I'm missing some new part of the story or something like that. Honestly seems like it's best just to pull Antony out of the firing line and try and let things die down while the authorities do their job.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
Famous footballer abuses women.
Rather than
Famous footballer may abuse women.
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You wanted to get rid of him because he had a abused a woman. You are part of the problem l

"This could be hearsay"

Theres your answer as to why the media haven't reported on it

Deary me Pride

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 20 minutes ago
What agenda do the main news sources have in your opinion?
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In general, creating a story that generates more clicks. Thought that was common knowledge
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That's a business model, not an agenda
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Business model is the agenda though. I'm thinking this was known. Most things always falls down to the money.

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 11 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 53 minutes ago
UnitedStand twitter accountOh so a totally verifiable and objective source

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The whole thing seems fairly reliable (to my knowledge, The United Stand is the biggest fan channel in the country) and they've apparently had this verified and have gone through all the appropriate legal channels to get this out.
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It proves fack all.
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I didn't say it proved anything. Thanks for your typically pointless input though
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I didn't say you said it proved anything. Just pointing out that it honestly proves fack all IMO.

comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 19 minutes ago
That conversation doesn't even mean what you say it means. I don't see what's incriminating for the accusers.

Also, this is not official from the accusers, it's a leak that may as well be completely fake. Media outlets will not report it unless it's confirmed as genuine.
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Can you explain what you mean by the first paragraph? I literally just gave the information from the recording.
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You gave the info and said it was incriminating on the accusers. To be honest, I don't see what's incriminating about it. Maybe I'm missing something.
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That would suggest you haven’t read it
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OK, so what about it is incriminating?
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Which part do you want to start with, the part where she says the main accuser is lying, only for her to then become an accuser. The part where she says the main accuser has done this to other players in the past. The part where she says she has been offered money to go against Antony. Just to make a few parts of the conversation.
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This is why hearsay is inadmissible in court. She could be jealous or rivals with the first girl or any other number of possibilities. I'm not saying that this is useless, but it doesn't prove anything itself.

For instance, if she's done this before to other footballers then that's a great lead in defence of Anthony. Should be easy enough to find those other footballers she's done this to and use that to demonstrate his defence. That would be solid and go some way to convincing of his innocence. But not this.

Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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bore off, you tiresome fool

I find nothing more tiresome than fools

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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You know full well the majority of the United board weren't defending Greenwood.

The Antony case is slightly different but we've still seen pragmatic views on it.

Sancho is another issue altogether around discipline (timekeeping etc).

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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What does Liverpool football club's defence of racism have to do with those players?

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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What does Liverpool football club's defence of racism have to do with those players?
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I have an idea perhaps...

We live in a society where social media seems to decide whether you're innocent or guilty without any concrete evidence, and its enough to mess up your career due to the pressure it puts on the employer to make a decision quickly, social media mob is something else, its all pretty fudged up.

comment by Henry Swanson (U4302)
posted 5 minutes ago
We live in a society where social media seems to decide whether you're innocent or guilty without any concrete evidence, and its enough to mess up your career due to the pressure it puts on the employer to make a decision quickly, social media mob is something else, its all pretty fudged up.
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Yes the social media mob really are a law unto themselves. Combine that with their belief that they have the right to know 'the facts' on cases and that they have a right to be able to make a judgement on accused people solely based on what they read. Or hear. On social media pages.

Allegations like this shouldn't reported on

If it's not going to court it's not in the public interest and clouds the investigation with counter accusations of opportunists looking to cash in

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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What does Liverpool football club's defence of racism have to do with those players?
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I'm not about to defend the clubs actions with regard Suarez. It was uncomfortable and wrong at the time and looks even more so today.

However, I'm not sure continuing to harp back to an incident over a decade ago is really that relevant. The world has changed very significantly in the last 12 years, for the better imo. Comparing a clubs actions today to one 12 years ago is pretty pointless, the pressures facing the clubs are entirely different. And validating a fans opinion based on what their club did 12 years ago is just mad.

Fwiw, I think Utd handled Greenwood about as well as could be expected (possible exception of the final week and announcement) and are acting reasonably with Antony - not immediately reacting to the Brazilian teams actions and agreeing to his request for time to defend himself.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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bore off, you tiresome fool
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I'm not the one bringing up Suarez. If you want to roll in the mud, I can do that.

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Henry Swanson (U4302)
posted 5 minutes ago
We live in a society where social media seems to decide whether you're innocent or guilty without any concrete evidence, and its enough to mess up your career due to the pressure it puts on the employer to make a decision quickly, social media mob is something else, its all pretty fudged up.
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Yes the social media mob really are a law unto themselves. Combine that with their belief that they have the right to know 'the facts' on cases and that they have a right to be able to make a judgement on accused people solely based on what they read. Or hear. On social media pages.

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Nothing new there really. It's just the as old as humanity social dynamics going digital. Before the internet people cared about their reputations and if yours got ruined you would pay the price for that. It's the same concept, only now we have technology and the internet to blow it up to another level.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 45 minutes ago
Allegations like this shouldn't reported on

If it's not going to court it's not in the public interest and clouds the investigation with counter accusations of opportunists looking to cash in
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I was about to post this. Media & social media should not really be reporting so heavily on these things.

It does create a narrative, especially when it is mostly one-sided.

This could very much influence an outcome and even if found innocent of charges, it doesn’t matter a lot of the damage is done.

Accused of having int3rcourse with a minor, proven innocent but years later conversations go like this very often:

‘ do you remember X?’

‘Who the p33do?’

‘Yeah that guy’


Victims and accused should remain anonymous and social media in particular should be blocked from reporting on these things.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always nice to see Liverpool fans passionately attack other clubs after defend Suarez's racism.
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Is that why United fans defend Greenwood, Sancho an Anthony?
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bore off, you tiresome fool
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I'm not the one bringing up Suarez. If you want to roll in the mud, I can do that.
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Kinky

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Henry Swanson (U4302)
posted 5 minutes ago
We live in a society where social media seems to decide whether you're innocent or guilty without any concrete evidence, and its enough to mess up your career due to the pressure it puts on the employer to make a decision quickly, social media mob is something else, its all pretty fudged up.
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Yes the social media mob really are a law unto themselves. Combine that with their belief that they have the right to know 'the facts' on cases and that they have a right to be able to make a judgement on accused people solely based on what they read. Or hear. On social media pages.

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Nothing new there really. It's just the as old as humanity social dynamics going digital. Before the internet people cared about their reputations and if yours got ruined you would pay the price for that. It's the same concept, only now we have technology and the internet to blow it up to another level.
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Another level that is much more amplified and widespread.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Henry Swanson (U4302)
posted 5 minutes ago
We live in a society where social media seems to decide whether you're innocent or guilty without any concrete evidence, and its enough to mess up your career due to the pressure it puts on the employer to make a decision quickly, social media mob is something else, its all pretty fudged up.
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Yes the social media mob really are a law unto themselves. Combine that with their belief that they have the right to know 'the facts' on cases and that they have a right to be able to make a judgement on accused people solely based on what they read. Or hear. On social media pages.

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Nothing new there really. It's just the as old as humanity social dynamics going digital. Before the internet people cared about their reputations and if yours got ruined you would pay the price for that. It's the same concept, only now we have technology and the internet to blow it up to another level.
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Another level that is much more amplified and widespread.
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Yeah, that's what I said.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Henry Swanson (U4302)
posted 5 minutes ago
We live in a society where social media seems to decide whether you're innocent or guilty without any concrete evidence, and its enough to mess up your career due to the pressure it puts on the employer to make a decision quickly, social media mob is something else, its all pretty fudged up.
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Yes the social media mob really are a law unto themselves. Combine that with their belief that they have the right to know 'the facts' on cases and that they have a right to be able to make a judgement on accused people solely based on what they read. Or hear. On social media pages.

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Nothing new there really. It's just the as old as humanity social dynamics going digital. Before the internet people cared about their reputations and if yours got ruined you would pay the price for that. It's the same concept, only now we have technology and the internet to blow it up to another level.
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Another level that is much more amplified and widespread.
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Yeah, that's what I said.
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And I added to it. Bit sensitive aren't you Tommy?