comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
And yes, allowing any one manager to sign whoever they wish is idiocy. Absolutely
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Lmao. They said ETH doesn't decide. It's a joint decision.
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 16 minutes ago
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
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All I’m saying though is that structure is one thing but if the manager isn’t good enough - which I suspect Ten Hag isn’t - then we’re handicapping ourselves even further.
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You could be right there but we'll never know under this ownership as no manager will be in a position to achieve anything more than the occasional early flash in the pan.
People talk of Pep or Klopp and how they'd perform, hypothetically. They wouldn't touch us, Klopp was even offered the poisoned chalice and ran a mile.
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 20 minutes ago
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
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ETH is not perfect though. Hes just a we bit over average. Better than others?? Maybe. Good enough to excuse all his problems (foundations of which starts in his rigidness)
Can we find better? Based on manager experience? No. Based on someone with the right mindset? Yes. But this is not the time for it. It's for him to start adjusting, quickly
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Pea in a Bun (U23079)
posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago
Love to read a case study on Brighton, it's ownership structure, the DOF and the blueprint he operates to run the entire football division from recruitment to youth to first team.
The blueprint is the most important, that makes the DOF the most pivotal role at the club. Get that right and the rest should follow. The age of the football manager running everything is no more and outdated.
Brighton also have a special software that identifies players with potential. Their recruitment is highly data driven.
I wonder what Murtough uses?! 😆
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Football Manager probably
People jumping on the ETH out brigade already, and who exactly is going to come in and be so much better than Moyes, LvG, Jose, Ole, Carrick, Ragnick, ETH?
Honestly who? Which football manager is going to come in and make us challengers for anything again?
I can guarantee the ETH out brigade which are now forming will not be able to name a single manager who would actually make us better than we have been in the last 10 years.
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
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Merry
Of course we have a recruitment strategy.
Which regime (SAF INCLUDED) do you think we should have continued with? Personally, I don't think even SAFs way of working shoukd have been continued.
In short, you have to find something that works well before continuing it.
What is a 'PROPER DOF' and how do you know we don't apply analysis when considering signings rather than 'on a whim'
comment by LustyMonc (U22632)
posted 5 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
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Because the Glazers have put in a corporate structure with really poor management that okays deals that are commercially more appealing first. These guys also don't know how much to pay or how to negotiate. Overpaying for players, paying players insane fees and salaries. Bringing stars when hard workers were needed - Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani. Not investing in scouting network. Overriding manager to buy stars. Making United vulnerable to be exploited by selling teams, agents, and players. In the end, the manager ends up still with round pegs for square holes.
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We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
And when have they ever overridden managers to huy stars?
In all for critiquing, but let's jot just make stuff up guys.
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
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United rely on commercial tours like this and have done form decades. Its part.of what allows us to buy big. Not sure why this is a surprise for any United supporter.
comment by Joel Avram Harry - They Shall Not Pass (U17162)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
Get rid of this manager and we continue to stumble about in the darkness.
Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results, isn't that a famous quote or saying or something?
Let's try... getting rid of the owners, maybe something will change a little more than when we change the managers? Has anyone considered that?
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What do the Qataris know about running a football club?
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Thank-you
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
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United rely on commercial tours like this and have done form decades. Its part.of what allows us to buy big. Not sure why this is a surprise for any United supporter.
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I never said it was a surprise but to say it was the manager's choice was utterly moronic and I had no qualms about calling it out as such.
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
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United rely on commercial tours like this and have done form decades. Its part.of what allows us to buy big. Not sure why this is a surprise for any United supporter.
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I never said it was a surprise but to say it was the manager's choice was utterly moronic and I had no qualms about calling it out as such.
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The manager picked the squads / teams, which was the issue. Lack of minutes for the senior players.
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
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They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
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errr, speak for yourself
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 39 seconds ago
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
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They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
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Nonsense.
Pogba, Di Maria, Sanchez were all top signings, they just didn't work out for more than 1 reason. Even Ibra was a good signing.
It's also nonsense to suggest our signings were club decisions before ETH.
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 24 minutes ago
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
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If you need to ask that then you have absolutely no reason to be following football.
They are light years ahead of us in terms of scouting for starters. Just look at their recruitment compared to ours.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate. This has happened too many times now for it not to be bigger than the coach.
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Thank-you
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You know you've lost the battle when RDD agrees with you.
Robert, come back to the right side!
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 39 seconds ago
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
**********************
They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
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Nonsense.
Pogba, Di Maria, Sanchez were all top signings, they just didn't work out for more than 1 reason. Even Ibra was a good signing.
It's also nonsense to suggest our signings were club decisions before ETH.
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Only pogba was at his peak and maybe Di Maria. Pogba was never a united player just based on his mindset. Di Maria was never suited to us technically. Both were spectacularly popular but every manager seemed to be incapable of getting anything tangible from them.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate.
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well, this IS RDD you are talking to
ETH was brought in to change the culture at the club apparently. Which tells you everything you need to know about how clueless the Glazers are at running a football club.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 24 minutes ago
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
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If you need to ask that then you have absolutely no reason to be following football.
They are light years ahead of us in terms of scouting for starters. Just look at their recruitment compared to ours.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate. This has happened too many times now for it not to be bigger than the coach.
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Just pointing out the lazy, 'our structures terrible, everyone else's is brilliant' argument from some is lazy and ill informed.
Iv not said its all on the manager either.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate.
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well, this IS RDD you are talking to
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I actually don't think RDD actually believes in a lot of his opinions tbh. I think he's one of those people who likes to be different for the sake of it.
Everyone who follows football can see our club is broken and banter from rivals aside they also know it's not all on ETH.
The club is a joke. It's full of people who don't belong and it's showing. If we went and hired best in class in the boardroom. Scouting department and sports science teams we'd see big improvements.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 39 seconds ago
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
**********************
They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
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Nonsense.
Pogba, Di Maria, Sanchez were all top signings, they just didn't work out for more than 1 reason. Even Ibra was a good signing.
It's also nonsense to suggest our signings were club decisions before ETH.
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Only pogba was at his peak and maybe Di Maria. Pogba was never a united player just based on his mindset. Di Maria was never suited to us technically. Both were spectacularly popular but every manager seemed to be incapable of getting anything tangible from them.
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More nonsense.
How was a world class winger not suited to United FFS?
And Pogba was 1 of the worlds best young players when we signed him.
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 24 minutes ago
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
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If you need to ask that then you have absolutely no reason to be following football.
They are light years ahead of us in terms of scouting for starters. Just look at their recruitment compared to ours.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate. This has happened too many times now for it not to be bigger than the coach.
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Just pointing out the lazy, 'our structures terrible, everyone else's is brilliant' argument from some is lazy and ill informed.
Iv not said its all on the manager either.
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Well nobody has said everyone else is Brilliant. Brighton was the example given and there are others too. Brentford are another.
There are also car crash clubs like us such as Everton.
This isn't hard mate. You're making stuff up now that wasn't even said. 😂
Sign in if you want to comment
A good club structure is everything
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posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
And yes, allowing any one manager to sign whoever they wish is idiocy. Absolutely
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Lmao. They said ETH doesn't decide. It's a joint decision.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 16 minutes ago
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
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All I’m saying though is that structure is one thing but if the manager isn’t good enough - which I suspect Ten Hag isn’t - then we’re handicapping ourselves even further.
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You could be right there but we'll never know under this ownership as no manager will be in a position to achieve anything more than the occasional early flash in the pan.
People talk of Pep or Klopp and how they'd perform, hypothetically. They wouldn't touch us, Klopp was even offered the poisoned chalice and ran a mile.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 20 minutes ago
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
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ETH is not perfect though. Hes just a we bit over average. Better than others?? Maybe. Good enough to excuse all his problems (foundations of which starts in his rigidness)
Can we find better? Based on manager experience? No. Based on someone with the right mindset? Yes. But this is not the time for it. It's for him to start adjusting, quickly
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Pea in a Bun (U23079)
posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago
Love to read a case study on Brighton, it's ownership structure, the DOF and the blueprint he operates to run the entire football division from recruitment to youth to first team.
The blueprint is the most important, that makes the DOF the most pivotal role at the club. Get that right and the rest should follow. The age of the football manager running everything is no more and outdated.
Brighton also have a special software that identifies players with potential. Their recruitment is highly data driven.
I wonder what Murtough uses?! 😆
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Football Manager probably
posted on 17/9/23
People jumping on the ETH out brigade already, and who exactly is going to come in and be so much better than Moyes, LvG, Jose, Ole, Carrick, Ragnick, ETH?
Honestly who? Which football manager is going to come in and make us challengers for anything again?
I can guarantee the ETH out brigade which are now forming will not be able to name a single manager who would actually make us better than we have been in the last 10 years.
posted on 17/9/23
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
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Merry
Of course we have a recruitment strategy.
Which regime (SAF INCLUDED) do you think we should have continued with? Personally, I don't think even SAFs way of working shoukd have been continued.
In short, you have to find something that works well before continuing it.
What is a 'PROPER DOF' and how do you know we don't apply analysis when considering signings rather than 'on a whim'
posted on 17/9/23
comment by LustyMonc (U22632)
posted 5 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
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Because the Glazers have put in a corporate structure with really poor management that okays deals that are commercially more appealing first. These guys also don't know how much to pay or how to negotiate. Overpaying for players, paying players insane fees and salaries. Bringing stars when hard workers were needed - Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani. Not investing in scouting network. Overriding manager to buy stars. Making United vulnerable to be exploited by selling teams, agents, and players. In the end, the manager ends up still with round pegs for square holes.
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We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
And when have they ever overridden managers to huy stars?
In all for critiquing, but let's jot just make stuff up guys.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
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United rely on commercial tours like this and have done form decades. Its part.of what allows us to buy big. Not sure why this is a surprise for any United supporter.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Joel Avram Harry - They Shall Not Pass (U17162)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
Get rid of this manager and we continue to stumble about in the darkness.
Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results, isn't that a famous quote or saying or something?
Let's try... getting rid of the owners, maybe something will change a little more than when we change the managers? Has anyone considered that?
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What do the Qataris know about running a football club?
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Thank-you
posted on 17/9/23
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
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United rely on commercial tours like this and have done form decades. Its part.of what allows us to buy big. Not sure why this is a surprise for any United supporter.
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I never said it was a surprise but to say it was the manager's choice was utterly moronic and I had no qualms about calling it out as such.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
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United rely on commercial tours like this and have done form decades. Its part.of what allows us to buy big. Not sure why this is a surprise for any United supporter.
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I never said it was a surprise but to say it was the manager's choice was utterly moronic and I had no qualms about calling it out as such.
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The manager picked the squads / teams, which was the issue. Lack of minutes for the senior players.
posted on 17/9/23
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
**********************
They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
posted on 17/9/23
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
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errr, speak for yourself
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 39 seconds ago
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
**********************
They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
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Nonsense.
Pogba, Di Maria, Sanchez were all top signings, they just didn't work out for more than 1 reason. Even Ibra was a good signing.
It's also nonsense to suggest our signings were club decisions before ETH.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 24 minutes ago
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
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If you need to ask that then you have absolutely no reason to be following football.
They are light years ahead of us in terms of scouting for starters. Just look at their recruitment compared to ours.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate. This has happened too many times now for it not to be bigger than the coach.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Thank-you
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You know you've lost the battle when RDD agrees with you.
Robert, come back to the right side!
posted on 17/9/23
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 39 seconds ago
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
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They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
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Nonsense.
Pogba, Di Maria, Sanchez were all top signings, they just didn't work out for more than 1 reason. Even Ibra was a good signing.
It's also nonsense to suggest our signings were club decisions before ETH.
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Only pogba was at his peak and maybe Di Maria. Pogba was never a united player just based on his mindset. Di Maria was never suited to us technically. Both were spectacularly popular but every manager seemed to be incapable of getting anything tangible from them.
posted on 17/9/23
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate.
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well, this IS RDD you are talking to
posted on 17/9/23
ETH was brought in to change the culture at the club apparently. Which tells you everything you need to know about how clueless the Glazers are at running a football club.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 24 minutes ago
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
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If you need to ask that then you have absolutely no reason to be following football.
They are light years ahead of us in terms of scouting for starters. Just look at their recruitment compared to ours.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate. This has happened too many times now for it not to be bigger than the coach.
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Just pointing out the lazy, 'our structures terrible, everyone else's is brilliant' argument from some is lazy and ill informed.
Iv not said its all on the manager either.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate.
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well, this IS RDD you are talking to
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I actually don't think RDD actually believes in a lot of his opinions tbh. I think he's one of those people who likes to be different for the sake of it.
Everyone who follows football can see our club is broken and banter from rivals aside they also know it's not all on ETH.
The club is a joke. It's full of people who don't belong and it's showing. If we went and hired best in class in the boardroom. Scouting department and sports science teams we'd see big improvements.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 39 seconds ago
We were all excited by the signings of Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani.
**********************
They were all signings done by leadership that could sell jerseys. All but Pogba where way past their peaks. Every single one came in and found out that the players controlled everything.
Up on till Ten Hag has the manager really have a majority influence in who is being signed. Sadly hes not the best at it either.
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Nonsense.
Pogba, Di Maria, Sanchez were all top signings, they just didn't work out for more than 1 reason. Even Ibra was a good signing.
It's also nonsense to suggest our signings were club decisions before ETH.
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Only pogba was at his peak and maybe Di Maria. Pogba was never a united player just based on his mindset. Di Maria was never suited to us technically. Both were spectacularly popular but every manager seemed to be incapable of getting anything tangible from them.
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More nonsense.
How was a world class winger not suited to United FFS?
And Pogba was 1 of the worlds best young players when we signed him.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Great Dane (U22987)
posted 24 minutes ago
OP
Tell us, what is the structure at Brighton, and how does it differ from the structure at United?
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If you need to ask that then you have absolutely no reason to be following football.
They are light years ahead of us in terms of scouting for starters. Just look at their recruitment compared to ours.
If you think we are struggling constantly because it's all on the managers then you're a moron mate. This has happened too many times now for it not to be bigger than the coach.
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Just pointing out the lazy, 'our structures terrible, everyone else's is brilliant' argument from some is lazy and ill informed.
Iv not said its all on the manager either.
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Well nobody has said everyone else is Brilliant. Brighton was the example given and there are others too. Brentford are another.
There are also car crash clubs like us such as Everton.
This isn't hard mate. You're making stuff up now that wasn't even said. 😂
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