No, too much bad blood
It will die down a bit in a while then kick off again, and keep repeating
The US, its Allies (inc.UK) and The UN and yes, EVEN Israel all agree in the official stance since the formation of Israel that there should be a 2 -state solution to this part of the region. (Israel and Palestine)
Lets remember the lines drawn in the sand before 1967 when the 6 day war took place between the main protaganists in this conflict when Israel occupied territories in Gaza, The West Bank and E Jerusalem. Areas designated for the new state of Palestine for those displaced after 1948. Where since the Israelis have illegally established settlements for hundreds of thousands of Israelis. Since then the amount of Palestinians in the region has increase 5 fold and now there are too many to be homed in the occupied territories today even if Israel actually agreed. So new territories would have to be created which in no way would Israel conceed from their origanally agreed borders. Meanwhile the PLO and Fatah had made progress with Israel with a consensus to create the 2-state solution so Iran backed Hamas infiltrated Gaza and W Bank as fundamental islamist who are hell bent on eradicating Israel from the map. And visa versa. So its a complete mess.
To simplify the above, which is all correct, there is nowhere to create the new state now.
1. No part of the land known as ‘Israel’ will ever be given to anyone. The entire Jewish existence is hinged on that land and they have American war ships making sure they keep it.
2. Gaza as we know is done, and not really big enough to create a state.
3. The ‘West Bank’ would have been the natural location for the state of Palestine but Israeli governments have actively populated the area for 50+ years with full on suburbs, scattered strategically throughout it. If you were to see a map of how they set up shop there you would see there is no way this can ever be given to another people either. Israel won’t say it publicly but they believe this land to be their birthright too and have been allowed to illegally move in and take it over.
Basically there is nowhere for Palestine to go, within what at least was their original land.
P.s. I found this video’s maps very helpful in understanding the logistics of the West Bank:
https://youtu.be/E0uLbeQlwjw?si=dccj83Alojvvwqwp
I live in NI. The hatred here is too much for there to ever be a wonderful utopia imo. Hatred passed from one generation to the next and if anything we're more polarised than ever, whilst we aren't even killing eachother any longer.
Ps been out on the drink tonight and realise what I've said prob comes across as a bit disrespectful. It's not meant to be, it's just realising that we can and should want for everything possibly to be done for true peace whilst realising that it's not realistic. Anything to stop the current state of affairs needs to be done though
Integrated education is a must here to improve things, as is acceptance of Irish culture (good luck with that from "my" side, as was shown at Windsor Park).
But enough about trying to make it about me. It's just pointing out that if there is even a semblance of a chance to bring about peace, there is too much bad blood, too much hatred and too much will to exterminate. All we can hope for is some sort of temporary ceasefire to stop hostilities for a brief period. That's absolutely what we should aim for though
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
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I know, but somethings got to give.
Solution?
Thinking outside the box here. Call Putin’s bluff, make Ukraine a part of NATO and give a large part of western Ukraine to the Israelis to be called New Israel and then give the formerly known Israel to the Palestinians and Lebanese.
I’ll give you an address to send my Nobel peace prize to later.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Solution?
Thinking outside the box here. Call Putin’s bluff, make Ukraine a part of NATO and give a large part of western Ukraine to the Israelis to be called New Israel and then give the formerly known Israel to the Palestinians and Lebanese.
I’ll give you an address to send my Nobel peace prize to later.
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Yo can I get some of whatever you’re on
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Solution?
Thinking outside the box here. Call Putin’s bluff, make Ukraine a part of NATO and give a large part of western Ukraine to the Israelis to be called New Israel and then give the formerly known Israel to the Palestinians and Lebanese.
I’ll give you an address to send my Nobel peace prize to later.
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Yo can I get some of whatever you’re on
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Been smoking the peace pipe brahhhh
Peace? You just suggested to start a world war in order to stop a small one
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 20 minutes ago
Peace? You just suggested to start a world war in order to stop a small one
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To make an omelette you have to break some eggs
As this site really needs a sarcasm font I have to clarify now I am joking in case the next 50 comments are from people who actually think I’m being serious
Israel and Palestine should have a penalty shoot out.
The winner will get Paul Gascoigne's Gaza strip
Well I feel us starting to agree on a lot of issues 52. Can't say I disagree with anything you've written here. The USA, UK or international community could help the Palestinian state the same way they help Israel, because we are fair, just, benevolent and see all peoples as equal regardless of colour, religion, gender...
Israel gets $4b per year in budgetary support alone, that's without including stuff like the military support. If they could do that for the new Palestinian state for even just 5 years to build schools and hospitals and establish a strong government with control of the region, then we will have liftoff.
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
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Legally?
By which set of laws?
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
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Legally?
By which set of laws?
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Their are no laws and their never will be, don't you Noddies out there coomprehend !
Jerusalem to be owned jointly by Jews, Muslims and Christians, and maintained between them.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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There is only one answer for Jerusalem. Israel must concede their belief that it is THEIR Capital that can never be divided or shared. Which will mean them acceping that 2 capitals in the City must exist side-by-side. Palastinian in the East of the City and Isreali in the West.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
As this site really needs a sarcasm font I have to clarify now I am joking in case the next 50 comments are from people who actually think I’m being serious
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Agreed
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jerusalem to be owned jointly by Jews, Muslims and Christians, and maintained between them.
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It's just the location thats the issue. If you divided Israel North (Palestine and Lebanon) and South (Israel and Egypt) Jerusalem is in what would be in the Israeli part.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jerusalem to be owned jointly by Jews, Muslims and Christians, and maintained between them.
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It's just the location thats the issue. If you divided Israel North (Palestine and Lebanon) and South (Israel and Egypt) Jerusalem is in what would be in the Israeli part.
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"A thousand details would need to be agreed".............
and another thousand years would have to pass for them (or some of them) to be agreed ! !
wake me up when reality sets in guys .
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 2 minutes ago
"A thousand details would need to be agreed".............
and another thousand years would have to pass for them (or some of them) to be agreed ! !
wake me up when reality sets in guys .
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I'd stop reading if it's boring you.
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posted on 19/10/23
No, too much bad blood
It will die down a bit in a while then kick off again, and keep repeating
posted on 20/10/23
The US, its Allies (inc.UK) and The UN and yes, EVEN Israel all agree in the official stance since the formation of Israel that there should be a 2 -state solution to this part of the region. (Israel and Palestine)
Lets remember the lines drawn in the sand before 1967 when the 6 day war took place between the main protaganists in this conflict when Israel occupied territories in Gaza, The West Bank and E Jerusalem. Areas designated for the new state of Palestine for those displaced after 1948. Where since the Israelis have illegally established settlements for hundreds of thousands of Israelis. Since then the amount of Palestinians in the region has increase 5 fold and now there are too many to be homed in the occupied territories today even if Israel actually agreed. So new territories would have to be created which in no way would Israel conceed from their origanally agreed borders. Meanwhile the PLO and Fatah had made progress with Israel with a consensus to create the 2-state solution so Iran backed Hamas infiltrated Gaza and W Bank as fundamental islamist who are hell bent on eradicating Israel from the map. And visa versa. So its a complete mess.
posted on 20/10/23
To simplify the above, which is all correct, there is nowhere to create the new state now.
1. No part of the land known as ‘Israel’ will ever be given to anyone. The entire Jewish existence is hinged on that land and they have American war ships making sure they keep it.
2. Gaza as we know is done, and not really big enough to create a state.
3. The ‘West Bank’ would have been the natural location for the state of Palestine but Israeli governments have actively populated the area for 50+ years with full on suburbs, scattered strategically throughout it. If you were to see a map of how they set up shop there you would see there is no way this can ever be given to another people either. Israel won’t say it publicly but they believe this land to be their birthright too and have been allowed to illegally move in and take it over.
Basically there is nowhere for Palestine to go, within what at least was their original land.
posted on 20/10/23
P.s. I found this video’s maps very helpful in understanding the logistics of the West Bank:
https://youtu.be/E0uLbeQlwjw?si=dccj83Alojvvwqwp
posted on 20/10/23
I live in NI. The hatred here is too much for there to ever be a wonderful utopia imo. Hatred passed from one generation to the next and if anything we're more polarised than ever, whilst we aren't even killing eachother any longer.
Ps been out on the drink tonight and realise what I've said prob comes across as a bit disrespectful. It's not meant to be, it's just realising that we can and should want for everything possibly to be done for true peace whilst realising that it's not realistic. Anything to stop the current state of affairs needs to be done though
Integrated education is a must here to improve things, as is acceptance of Irish culture (good luck with that from "my" side, as was shown at Windsor Park).
But enough about trying to make it about me. It's just pointing out that if there is even a semblance of a chance to bring about peace, there is too much bad blood, too much hatred and too much will to exterminate. All we can hope for is some sort of temporary ceasefire to stop hostilities for a brief period. That's absolutely what we should aim for though
posted on 20/10/23
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
posted on 20/10/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
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I know, but somethings got to give.
posted on 20/10/23
Solution?
Thinking outside the box here. Call Putin’s bluff, make Ukraine a part of NATO and give a large part of western Ukraine to the Israelis to be called New Israel and then give the formerly known Israel to the Palestinians and Lebanese.
I’ll give you an address to send my Nobel peace prize to later.
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Solution?
Thinking outside the box here. Call Putin’s bluff, make Ukraine a part of NATO and give a large part of western Ukraine to the Israelis to be called New Israel and then give the formerly known Israel to the Palestinians and Lebanese.
I’ll give you an address to send my Nobel peace prize to later.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yo can I get some of whatever you’re on
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Solution?
Thinking outside the box here. Call Putin’s bluff, make Ukraine a part of NATO and give a large part of western Ukraine to the Israelis to be called New Israel and then give the formerly known Israel to the Palestinians and Lebanese.
I’ll give you an address to send my Nobel peace prize to later.
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Yo can I get some of whatever you’re on
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Been smoking the peace pipe brahhhh
posted on 20/10/23
Peace? You just suggested to start a world war in order to stop a small one
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 20 minutes ago
Peace? You just suggested to start a world war in order to stop a small one
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To make an omelette you have to break some eggs
posted on 20/10/23
As this site really needs a sarcasm font I have to clarify now I am joking in case the next 50 comments are from people who actually think I’m being serious
posted on 20/10/23
Israel and Palestine should have a penalty shoot out.
The winner will get Paul Gascoigne's Gaza strip
posted on 20/10/23
Well I feel us starting to agree on a lot of issues 52. Can't say I disagree with anything you've written here. The USA, UK or international community could help the Palestinian state the same way they help Israel, because we are fair, just, benevolent and see all peoples as equal regardless of colour, religion, gender...
Israel gets $4b per year in budgetary support alone, that's without including stuff like the military support. If they could do that for the new Palestinian state for even just 5 years to build schools and hospitals and establish a strong government with control of the region, then we will have liftoff.
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
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Legally?
By which set of laws?
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 28 seconds ago
Israel takes Gaza strip and gives the Palestinians the Israeli land North of West Bank, including Golan Heights.
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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Israel will never give land that’s already designated legally as Israel
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Legally?
By which set of laws?
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Their are no laws and their never will be, don't you Noddies out there coomprehend !
posted on 20/10/23
Jerusalem to be owned jointly by Jews, Muslims and Christians, and maintained between them.
posted on 20/10/23
Not sure what you'd do about Jerusalem though.
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There is only one answer for Jerusalem. Israel must concede their belief that it is THEIR Capital that can never be divided or shared. Which will mean them acceping that 2 capitals in the City must exist side-by-side. Palastinian in the East of the City and Isreali in the West.
posted on 20/10/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
As this site really needs a sarcasm font I have to clarify now I am joking in case the next 50 comments are from people who actually think I’m being serious
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Agreed
posted on 20/10/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jerusalem to be owned jointly by Jews, Muslims and Christians, and maintained between them.
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It's just the location thats the issue. If you divided Israel North (Palestine and Lebanon) and South (Israel and Egypt) Jerusalem is in what would be in the Israeli part.
posted on 20/10/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jerusalem to be owned jointly by Jews, Muslims and Christians, and maintained between them.
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It's just the location thats the issue. If you divided Israel North (Palestine and Lebanon) and South (Israel and Egypt) Jerusalem is in what would be in the Israeli part.
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posted on 20/10/23
"A thousand details would need to be agreed".............
and another thousand years would have to pass for them (or some of them) to be agreed ! !
wake me up when reality sets in guys .
posted on 20/10/23
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 2 minutes ago
"A thousand details would need to be agreed".............
and another thousand years would have to pass for them (or some of them) to be agreed ! !
wake me up when reality sets in guys .
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I'd stop reading if it's boring you.
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