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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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A couple of dodgy VAR decisions to help his team will do that!
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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A couple of dodgy VAR decisions to help his team will do that!
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From a United fan
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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posted 9 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
Emery is probably the manager we need to work on finishing. Look at the goals they are scoring while not creating that much. I feel for Ten Hag but he should have got rid of the whole strikeforce after last season!
Man Utd season ended when Kane went to Bayern Munich and Greenwood left as well.
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What would you rather have ? Higher Xg or Higher goals scored.
You fixate on the wrong stats. Goals scored. Wins. Clean sheets. Goals against. The reality is what counts and over time, reality is all the evidence you need, not expected this that or the other.
I think it was Villa who thrashed BHA the other week, 6-1. BHA had the higher XG. Just goes to show how XG in isolation is almost meaningless.
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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While that may or may not be true it’s not the point.
Poch has a higher percentage of finishing ahead of United than Klopp and Arteta has the same percentage as Klopp. Why weren’t they mentioned as well?
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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While that may or may not be true it’s not the point.
Poch has a higher percentage of finishing ahead of United than Klopp and Arteta has the same percentage as Klopp. Why weren’t they mentioned as well?
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*at Spurs I mean not at Saints.
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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But he doesn't, and he hasn't.
It is interesting to see how well Emery is doing and how much better they are to watch than we are. I’ve wanted Watkins and McGinn to join us for a while but many of our fans don’t want them so it’s not like they have better players than us by that metric.
It could just be that for whatever reason Ten Hag is unable to get our players to buy into what his philosophy is. Will that change? Hopefully but we’re seeing with Ange, Howe and Emery that it’s a bit of a myth that it takes ages for good football and progress to appear.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 39 minutes ago
It is interesting to see how well Emery is doing and how much better they are to watch than we are. I’ve wanted Watkins and McGinn to join us for a while but many of our fans don’t want them so it’s not like they have better players than us by that metric.
It could just be that for whatever reason Ten Hag is unable to get our players to buy into what his philosophy is. Will that change? Hopefully but we’re seeing with Ange, Howe and Emery that it’s a bit of a myth that it takes ages for good football and progress to appear.
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The squad is his own now, including a bunch he'd already managed before. If they don't buy into it that's a failure on his part surely?
Emery was hard done by at Arsenal. He was following up Wenger and it is notoriously hard to follow a long time legend like that...see Man Utd post SAF.
His results and performances weren't great but neither were Artetas for about 12 months....but Arteta was given the time and the ability to spend and get players out and in.
Slightly different at Villa. Lesser expectations, and a squad willing to buy in to his style, and backed by the club. Bit like Howe and Ange and also Arteta eventually.
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
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Exactly. He’s been underwhelming but we should stick with him for now.
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 16 hours, 41 minutes ago
Unai is the best manager we've had since O'Neil. He's so underrated and perhaps a point to prove. Arsenal was at it's most toxic when he was there and as for PSG, the players run the show🤢🤮
We love him😆
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To be fair he's far better than O'Neill who was a massively overrated counter attacking manager with no plan B who also wasted a lot of the money he was given on average players. Emery's attention to detail is second to none and he's a workaholic, whatever we're paying him he's earning every single penny. He lives and breathes football and continuous improvement.
I suppose the last time we were getting in the top 6 was under O'Neill so I understand the comparison, but Emery is on a different planet to him. Best manager we've had in my lifetime and I hope he stays for a long, long time.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
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Why is it any longer a project then the Spurs, Newcastle or Villa job?
Just an excuse for a lack of progress after 15 months in the job.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
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Exactly. He’s been underwhelming but we should stick with him for now.
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Did anybody (except RDD) expect him to compete for the PL and CL after just one season after where the club was when he replaced Rangnick. ETH is sorting out the player power and me culture riddled throughout the club that held us back. He is spending money on his own players each window (whuch in time will make him or break him depending on how they settle) and gradually trying to either sell on or time-out the overpaid money eating and lazy time-wasters in the squad he inherited. All this takes time. As Fergie found out when he tried a culture change and overhaul at MUFC. (United dabbled with relegation in his first few years). Meanwhile ETH has already broken his trophy duck. This season seems to have obviously stalled a bit with the amount of injuries United have had which would affect any club tbf... which is limiting his ability to stamp any style and identity to his gameplay. Basically his makeshift teams are putting out fires rather than blazing a trail each week. This of course has to change as players return from injury and his new players settle in. If they dont he will be replaced one day, probably before his contract ends. But United at least will be aware that all this will take time and money. So he wont be going anywhere soon. Shame many of our 'fans' cant get their heads around this and post tripe like this article all over the internet.
I didnt expect him to challenge for the PL and CL.
I did expect after 15 months that we would -
Have an identifiable style of play.
See better performances than we have seen this season
Be better than 8th with a -2 GD after 9 games.
Have fewer major issues with the squad / first 11
Onana - Poor GK and wasn't a priority.
Maguire - Seems to have talked him into staying.
Mount - Questionable if we needed him.
Sancho - A situation that could have been handled better
Rashford - Something is clearly not right with him.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
Onana - Poor GK and wasn't a priority.
Maguire - Seems to have talked him into staying.
Mount - Questionable if we needed him.
Sancho - A situation that could have been handled better
Rashford - Something is clearly not right with him.
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Cant disagree with nearly all of this but Sancho is his own worst enemy imo, he is a player and should be doing what he's told, didn't think ETH was even too harsh with him and since the incident Sancho doesn't appear to have made any steps to rectify it?
That said I don't know what goes n and am only surmising to be fair
Bit concerned Re Rashy, cant seem to find any real form and can be a pivotal player
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 25 minutes ago
I didnt expect him to challenge for the PL and CL.
I did expect after 15 months that we would -
Have an identifiable style of play.
See better performances than we have seen this season
Be better than 8th with a -2 GD after 9 games.
Have fewer major issues with the squad / first 11
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posted on 22/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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A couple of dodgy VAR decisions to help his team will do that!
posted on 22/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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A couple of dodgy VAR decisions to help his team will do that!
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From a United fan
posted on 22/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
posted on 22/10/23
comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
Emery is probably the manager we need to work on finishing. Look at the goals they are scoring while not creating that much. I feel for Ten Hag but he should have got rid of the whole strikeforce after last season!
Man Utd season ended when Kane went to Bayern Munich and Greenwood left as well.
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What would you rather have ? Higher Xg or Higher goals scored.
You fixate on the wrong stats. Goals scored. Wins. Clean sheets. Goals against. The reality is what counts and over time, reality is all the evidence you need, not expected this that or the other.
I think it was Villa who thrashed BHA the other week, 6-1. BHA had the higher XG. Just goes to show how XG in isolation is almost meaningless.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
posted on 22/10/23
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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While that may or may not be true it’s not the point.
Poch has a higher percentage of finishing ahead of United than Klopp and Arteta has the same percentage as Klopp. Why weren’t they mentioned as well?
posted on 22/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rouge (U19907)
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comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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While that may or may not be true it’s not the point.
Poch has a higher percentage of finishing ahead of United than Klopp and Arteta has the same percentage as Klopp. Why weren’t they mentioned as well?
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*at Spurs I mean not at Saints.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Sevilla and Villa are his level with the reduced expectations. He could fail again at a big club I reckon.
United need to just pack it in and hibernate like a bear in winter until Pep and/or Klopp leaves. No manager you can get can get you enough points in a season to outdo those two in the same season.
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Slightly bizarre mentioning a manager that has finished behind United for 50% of his reign.
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He's won like 100% more trophies though.
The point is that United would need both City and Liverpool to have bad seasons at the same time, which has not happened in the last 7-8 years, and United to have their best season since Fergie got 90 points. Not very likely IMO.
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No City haven’t really had a season in 7-8 years, Liverpool have had plenty.
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Exactly. Both happening at the same time will be improbable.
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A bit like saying City and Luton having a bad season at the same time is improbable so.
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Not really pool, chelsea and spurs had bad seasons last year, a huge part of the reason we got 3rd
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I know that and that happens to a few big teams every year. Those teams got top 4 the year prior because us and Arsenal had bad seasons.
His point was we may was we have no hope of winning until Pep and Klopp go despite us finishing ahead of one of those managers 50% of the time.
He should have said just Pep.
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No if klopp had utds finiancial muscle hed have won more titles. Liverpool overachieve every season hes been there.
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But he doesn't, and he hasn't.
posted on 23/10/23
It is interesting to see how well Emery is doing and how much better they are to watch than we are. I’ve wanted Watkins and McGinn to join us for a while but many of our fans don’t want them so it’s not like they have better players than us by that metric.
It could just be that for whatever reason Ten Hag is unable to get our players to buy into what his philosophy is. Will that change? Hopefully but we’re seeing with Ange, Howe and Emery that it’s a bit of a myth that it takes ages for good football and progress to appear.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 39 minutes ago
It is interesting to see how well Emery is doing and how much better they are to watch than we are. I’ve wanted Watkins and McGinn to join us for a while but many of our fans don’t want them so it’s not like they have better players than us by that metric.
It could just be that for whatever reason Ten Hag is unable to get our players to buy into what his philosophy is. Will that change? Hopefully but we’re seeing with Ange, Howe and Emery that it’s a bit of a myth that it takes ages for good football and progress to appear.
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The squad is his own now, including a bunch he'd already managed before. If they don't buy into it that's a failure on his part surely?
posted on 23/10/23
Emery was hard done by at Arsenal. He was following up Wenger and it is notoriously hard to follow a long time legend like that...see Man Utd post SAF.
His results and performances weren't great but neither were Artetas for about 12 months....but Arteta was given the time and the ability to spend and get players out and in.
Slightly different at Villa. Lesser expectations, and a squad willing to buy in to his style, and backed by the club. Bit like Howe and Ange and also Arteta eventually.
posted on 23/10/23
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
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Exactly. He’s been underwhelming but we should stick with him for now.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 16 hours, 41 minutes ago
Unai is the best manager we've had since O'Neil. He's so underrated and perhaps a point to prove. Arsenal was at it's most toxic when he was there and as for PSG, the players run the show🤢🤮
We love him😆
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To be fair he's far better than O'Neill who was a massively overrated counter attacking manager with no plan B who also wasted a lot of the money he was given on average players. Emery's attention to detail is second to none and he's a workaholic, whatever we're paying him he's earning every single penny. He lives and breathes football and continuous improvement.
I suppose the last time we were getting in the top 6 was under O'Neill so I understand the comparison, but Emery is on a different planet to him. Best manager we've had in my lifetime and I hope he stays for a long, long time.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
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Why is it any longer a project then the Spurs, Newcastle or Villa job?
Just an excuse for a lack of progress after 15 months in the job.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
United are still at the beginning of a long term project with ETH. Why would you want to cancel that and start again with sombody else.
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Exactly. He’s been underwhelming but we should stick with him for now.
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Did anybody (except RDD) expect him to compete for the PL and CL after just one season after where the club was when he replaced Rangnick. ETH is sorting out the player power and me culture riddled throughout the club that held us back. He is spending money on his own players each window (whuch in time will make him or break him depending on how they settle) and gradually trying to either sell on or time-out the overpaid money eating and lazy time-wasters in the squad he inherited. All this takes time. As Fergie found out when he tried a culture change and overhaul at MUFC. (United dabbled with relegation in his first few years). Meanwhile ETH has already broken his trophy duck. This season seems to have obviously stalled a bit with the amount of injuries United have had which would affect any club tbf... which is limiting his ability to stamp any style and identity to his gameplay. Basically his makeshift teams are putting out fires rather than blazing a trail each week. This of course has to change as players return from injury and his new players settle in. If they dont he will be replaced one day, probably before his contract ends. But United at least will be aware that all this will take time and money. So he wont be going anywhere soon. Shame many of our 'fans' cant get their heads around this and post tripe like this article all over the internet.
posted on 23/10/23
I didnt expect him to challenge for the PL and CL.
I did expect after 15 months that we would -
Have an identifiable style of play.
See better performances than we have seen this season
Be better than 8th with a -2 GD after 9 games.
Have fewer major issues with the squad / first 11
posted on 23/10/23
Onana - Poor GK and wasn't a priority.
Maguire - Seems to have talked him into staying.
Mount - Questionable if we needed him.
Sancho - A situation that could have been handled better
Rashford - Something is clearly not right with him.
posted on 23/10/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 2 minutes ago
Onana - Poor GK and wasn't a priority.
Maguire - Seems to have talked him into staying.
Mount - Questionable if we needed him.
Sancho - A situation that could have been handled better
Rashford - Something is clearly not right with him.
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Cant disagree with nearly all of this but Sancho is his own worst enemy imo, he is a player and should be doing what he's told, didn't think ETH was even too harsh with him and since the incident Sancho doesn't appear to have made any steps to rectify it?
That said I don't know what goes n and am only surmising to be fair
Bit concerned Re Rashy, cant seem to find any real form and can be a pivotal player
posted on 23/10/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 25 minutes ago
I didnt expect him to challenge for the PL and CL.
I did expect after 15 months that we would -
Have an identifiable style of play.
See better performances than we have seen this season
Be better than 8th with a -2 GD after 9 games.
Have fewer major issues with the squad / first 11
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which is why you are our own, special, idiotic, moron on this United forum.
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