Liverpool lost against us sitting deep. One tactic does not offer any guarantees over the other.

I know I’d much rather watch what we did for 45+ mins than a low block - and I bet the players enjoyed it more.

The key really is to not get players sent off.

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 4 minutes ago
See it both ways as a Chelsea fan. Principally that was admirable last night, and nothing wrong with playing to your strengths even if that plays into the opponent's strengths too - that's confidence. But with 9 men you did basically gift us the three points and that is on the manager.

Against most teams you could make the argument that playing the same way still gives you greater chances of getting a positive result, but we're a special circumstance right now. Any Chelsea fan will tell you even with 9 men & a battered defence, for half an hour you could've held that 1-1 score line if you'd swallowed your pride & dug in.

However I will say that's the most fun I've had watching a Chelsea game in what's felt like forever, would've thought the same had we lost, and Spurs were the reason for that
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Trying to hold on with Eric Dier - no thanks, he would have Matip’d it in the 113th minute.
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Have you actually seen us try to break low blocks? You might've even won mate
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Have you seen Eric Dier

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
Klopp kept coming at us with 9 men

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No, he didn't.
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On the counter

comment by From Ange to Nielsen (U9059)
posted 2 minutes ago
Liverpool lost against us sitting deep. One tactic does not offer any guarantees over the other.

I know I’d much rather watch what we did for 45+ mins than a low block - and I bet the players enjoyed it more.

The key really is to not get players sent off.
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I mean it definitely helps

Spot on OP tbh. Not many have the balls to come out and admit that from what I've seen.

I was expecting some comments of wanting Nuno, Jose, Conte back etc.. That's the last thing I want, I actually enjoy watching us again and it's reignited my interest in football in general. I'm watching far more game as a Neutral than I did before Ange took control, so saying I want that tripe back is nonsense really.

What I'm saying is, there is a time and place. When you have a race horse like Micky who can outsprint most players then you can push up. When you have Dier and Hojberg and 9 men and are unable to apply a press then it's just idiotic - and a bit arogant to be honest.

In the Liverpool game Klopp adjusted, when they went to ten the line did drop back but knew our inverted full backs would leave space down the flanks and they exploited it well with Salah and Diaz. When they went to 9, off came the attacking players then they had VVD, Konate and Matip at the end. We barely created anything.

IF you were to play those matches ten times over, taking into consideration we scored via an own goal, Liverpool stand a better chance of more points.

It's a fine line and maybe it was naive/arrogant or whatever but Chelsea were so bad that with a bit of luck it genuinely might have paid off.

Ange, I believe, was shell-shocked yesterday. Never doing his seasons as Celtic manager did this sort of outcome ever happen to him. The jury is now out, not just on his performance, but on a Spurs ream that have been definitely punching above their weight!

I'm ok with it. He wants the team totally assimilated with this style of football and doesn't want that habit broken in the players if they were to resort to a defensive style for any amount of time. I mean you can argue about him needing a plan B but honestly, how often does a team go down to 9 players and suffer injuries to 2 other key players? It was a rare game. Gaining one point does little for us in the grand scheme of things. We'd still have been 2nd behind City.

Spot on OP, glad to see you and a few other spurs fans on here calling it as it is.
It was managerial suicide lastnight. Everytime chelsea went forward spurs were at 6s and 7s. Conceded two dissallowed goals, jackson missed from 6 yards out and gave away a pen.
Then at 10 v 11 he persisted and udogie, frantically trying to get back to cover the break which was again caused by the high line, got a second yellow.

Madness from ange, who’s done a Stellar job up til now

Spurtle, I would argue that he needs a plan B now without Romero and Van De Ven to be honest, especially the later. He said at the beggining of the season he needs players with pace to play the system he wants. He now doesn't have those unless Philips or Dorrington are the answer. Also playing out from the back will be much more dubious with Dier and Royal ?

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 31 seconds ago
Spot on OP, glad to see you and a few other spurs fans on here calling it as it is.
It was managerial suicide lastnight. Everytime chelsea went forward spurs were at 6s and 7s. Conceded two dissallowed goals, jackson missed from 6 yards out and gave away a pen.
Then at 10 v 11 he persisted and udogie, frantically trying to get back to cover the break which was again caused by the high line, got a second yellow.

Madness from ange, who’s done a Stellar job up til now
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It’s called having a football philosophy mate, really don’t get what you’re struggling with here?

Or are you as I suspect just being a dreary troll? Either way move on and worry about your own “tactics” and performances.

Football philosophy getting players sent off and lunging in nearly breaking ankles. Okay gotcha

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Football philosophygetting players sent off and lunging in nearly breaking ankles. Okay gotcha
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Ok troll.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Spot on OP, glad to see you and a few other spurs fans on here calling it as it is.
It was managerial suicide lastnight. Everytime chelsea went forward spurs were at 6s and 7s. Conceded two dissallowed goals, jackson missed from 6 yards out and gave away a pen.
Then at 10 v 11 he persisted and udogie, frantically trying to get back to cover the break which was again caused by the high line, got a second yellow.

Madness from ange, who’s done a Stellar job up til now
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We could have hidden in the trenches, clinging to what we had, or take it to you, guns blazing!

With a bit of luck Dier, Son and Bentancur could have all scored when we had 9 men and 2-1 down!

And Udogie was a fool, he didnt need to make that challenge on Sterling who was going away from the goal. Needless, bad judgement, not desperate.

The filter button does come in so handy sometimes.

comment by GinolaSpurs82 (U10359)
posted 2 minutes ago
Spurtle, I would argue that he needs a plan B now without Romero and Van De Ven to be honest, especially the later. He said at the beggining of the season he needs players with pace to play the system he wants. He now doesn't have those unless Philips or Dorrington are the answer. Also playing out from the back will be much more dubious with Dier and Royal ?

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He will need players with pace to play his style effectively. It doesn't mean we can't still play it though. I think he'll carry on with it but we may now concede more chances. Less of a worry against Wolves, the other teams we have coming up it will be tough.

Maybe he will give Phillips a go. I'm trusting in Ange's judgment for now anyway.

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
Klopp kept coming at us with 9 men

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No, he didn't.
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On the counter
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So he didn't keep coming at you then. He sat deep and waited for gaps, which is what most top teams would do when they're down a man.

Yep, called it in the match thread, suicidal tactics which were just asking for a defeat. We should have been sitting in and playing on the counter, there was every chance we could have picked up a result but with that high line it was just a matter of time before Chelsea scored.

comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yep, called it in the match thread, suicidal tactics which were just asking for a defeat. We should have been sitting in and playing on the counter, there was every chance we could have picked up a result but with that high line it was just a matter of time before Chelsea scored.
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I’m struggling to see how some fans disagree with this. Even if we had scored another goal or two, they would have always outscored is with that ridiculously high line. It looked like a training ground exercise at times. Anyway, we’ll all have to agree to disagree. Onwards and upwards, COYLW

comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Sadly but true and have to agree with you. We are not playing Chelsea U14s. Chelsea might not be pulling up trees but you can’t just play same way with 9 men as you had against 11.
The best managers try and fix things as they unfold. He just stood there and left it to the Gods. A blind man could see how this was going to end. The odd part was I Wasn’t even pisssed when they eventually scored as it was coming all day long.
Proud of the effort though but won’t be surprised if there are further niggles that’s not been mentioned. Our boys put in a hell of a shift.
Wolves team midday Saturday will be interesting.
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He changed against Luton? We didn't play that high against Luton. Something was really weird about the half way press. Like it was a psychological test for players. Testing their obedience to.his ways...

For me, the best managers do have a style in which they play and we love Ange's style BUT.. the best managers adapt to the situation in front of them and Ange didn't do that. For me yesterday he put himself and his beliefs ahead of what was good for the team, for the situation we were in and the players we had on the field. He put our players at risk of further injury by having them doing half pitch sprints time and time again and I feel he let us down on this occasion.
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Absolutely true!
AussieGlue seems to be inflexible regardless of the situation.
Had we gone into a Conte defensive mode at 9 men we might have saved ourselves a couple of goals. True playing high line Dier almost scored...but that was lucky.
Now we'll see what he does without Romero, VDV and Udogie.
God help us!

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 8 hours, 14 minutes ago
Klopp kept coming at us with 9 men
Pep loses 1-0 away to Spurs every season falling for the same tactic over and over again.

These guys are principled, not arrogant. I think we will appreciate this approach in the long term - we need this mentality installed in our players. None of them were fearful last night, we kept having a go and only got picked off at the end.


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For all the having a go, how many actual shots on target / good goal scoring chances did we have after going down to 9?
Son had one. Don't remember much else.

oh yeah Bentancur. Should've scored that.

The high line was daft. 9 men and Dier and peh at CB. However I’m sure all out defence would have resulted in defeat too. Surely there was a sensible middle ground to be found