I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
We’re in such a state and INEOS are no mugs, now they have manoeuvred the Sheik out this part takeover could get very messy yet. The Glazers lost their Golden Goose egg with Qatar they are exposed to true market conditions now and one suitor.
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 5 minutes ago
We’re in such a state and INEOS are no mugs, now they have manoeuvred the Sheik out this part takeover could get very messy yet. The Glazers lost their Golden Goose egg with Qatar they are exposed to true market conditions now and one suitor.
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In the summer I could sort of understand Jim's offer. Now it just looks desperate if he goes through with it. He's getting a much worse deal than he was in the summer. Things have changed. We now have no European football in second half of season and almost certainly no CL footy next season at the very least.
The true valuation of the club is dropping like a stone with every passing week. If I was Jim I'd back out now and stall. 1.25bn for 25% is a terrible deal.
I personally cannot comprehend why people have 0 memory of the last 10 years?
Do the fans calling for ETH out, remember when they were calling for Moyes out? And LvG out? Jose? OGS? Ragnick? Now ETH? Will for sure the next guy get it right where the names above got it wrong?
Why are fans not remembering the last 10 years when managers have had 2-3 years in charge and it ends up like it is now for ETH when they get sacked.
Why are fans not remembering that we sack someone, and then 2-3 years later, we end up in this exact same position?
Why are fans forgetting such recent history?
Why are fans calling for this cycle to continue?
Why aren't fans now screaming for something else?
comment by House (U17162)
posted 9 minutes ago
I personally cannot comprehend why people have 0 memory of the last 10 years?
Do the fans calling for ETH out, remember when they were calling for Moyes out? And LvG out? Jose? OGS? Ragnick? Now ETH? Will for sure the next guy get it right where the names above got it wrong?
Why are fans not remembering the last 10 years when managers have had 2-3 years in charge and it ends up like it is now for ETH when they get sacked.
Why are fans not remembering that we sack someone, and then 2-3 years later, we end up in this exact same position?
Why are fans forgetting such recent history?
Why are fans calling for this cycle to continue?
Why aren't fans now screaming for something else?
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I remember the last ten years.
I remember the cycle of managers.
And I am asking (not screaming) for something else.
The solution is simple. The owners sell up and a new broom comes in and reorganises the Club. Root and branch, top to bottom.
Until this happens, (which it wont for some time), are you suggesting that United do nothing and leave Erik to it under the same conditions and the same group of players on ridiculous long contracts and hope things on the pitch... just improve, dramatically, with the risk of things getting much worse. How far are you willing to let the club sink before you blink?
comment by House (U17162)
posted 51 minutes ago
I personally cannot comprehend why people have 0 memory of the last 10 years?
Do the fans calling for ETH out, remember when they were calling for Moyes out? And LvG out? Jose? OGS? Ragnick? Now ETH? Will for sure the next guy get it right where the names above got it wrong?
Why are fans not remembering the last 10 years when managers have had 2-3 years in charge and it ends up like it is now for ETH when they get sacked.
Why are fans not remembering that we sack someone, and then 2-3 years later, we end up in this exact same position?
Why are fans forgetting such recent history?
Why are fans calling for this cycle to continue?
Why aren't fans now screaming for something else?
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Seems a ridiculous stance unless you believe those sacked managers would've become successful at United if they weren't sacked?
There are far bigger problems than the manager though, the Glazers are a scourge, everything wrong with the modern world but the manager could be doing a lot better.
None of our managers who’ve been sacked have been on a run as bad as this. We’re losing 3-0 at home to Bournemouth who could easily have scored 5 that day. We can’t score at all. We don’t seem to be playing to any coherent gameplan bar a Mourinho style one at Anfield where we conceded over 30 shots.
No one thinks bringing a new manager in will make us world beaters but at least get someone in who can make the current 2/10 United a 7/10 one. Anything is better than now because if we don’t act we could lose as many as 20 games in the PL this season and barely score 40 goals. Which after a spend of £400 million by this manager and a lot of that on players he’s already managed so in theory should know how to get more out of them would be embarrassing.
Jim Ratcliffe surely isn't going to risk his start at the club with a manager doing this badly.
None of us would do in Jim's shoes either. If he backs ETH and things don't get better quickly then he's off to a terrible start with the fans. And remember a lot of fans wanted Qatar over him anyway.
Erik is a dead man walking. The club just need to pick the right time now.
And....of course we won't become a top club again with just changing the manager. No chance. However you can't just put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend he's doing a good job either. Something needs to give.
I suspect Graham Potter will take over in January with a new team around him. Will he fare any better than ETH? Who bleeding knows anymore.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jim Ratcliffe surely isn't going to risk his start at the club with a manager doing this badly.
None of us would do in Jim's shoes either. If he backs ETH and things don't get better quickly then he's off to a terrible start with the fans. And remember a lot of fans wanted Qatar over him anyway.
Erik is a dead man walking. The club just need to pick the right time now.
And....of course we won't become a top club again with just changing the manager. No chance. However you can't just put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend he's doing a good job either. Something needs to give.
I suspect Graham Potter will take over in January with a new team around him. Will he fare any better than ETH? Who bleeding knows anymore.
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You’d think if Potter doesn’t make the same mistakes and isn’t as stubborn as Ten Hag he’d improve us a fair bit. Perhaps the players would actually buy into what he’s selling because right now we’re a moment side. When those moments don’t happen we’re clueless.
Whoever it is that takes the job will be up against it. We are skint, we won't have CL football and maybe not even European football at all next season and we are dangerously close to failing FFP.
We are totally screwed for the next few seasons at least essentially. I suspect we will see a few mid table finishes like what Chelsea are experiencing. 10 years of fatal mistakes has caught up on us.
Oh and thoughts and prayers for Mason Mount if it is Potter that takes over.
That's another Sancho situation as they apparently don't like each other from what I read. 😂
Any new manager won't succeed under the current structure, so I am not actively calling for EtH's head. It won't change anything.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 31 seconds ago
Any new manager won't succeed under the current structure, so I am not actively calling for EtH's head. It won't change anything.
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That’s very naive. Do you honestly think Ten Hag is doing well enough to keep his job?
The glazers are to blame for a lot of things but not for what we see on the pitch every week.
Moyes, LvG, Mourinho, OGS, EtH have all come unstuck. All bar OGS have done well elsewhere.
When all these managers are struggling, what makes you think the next one won't. Thinking otherwise seems the naive view to me.
They do not have the structure behind them to succeed. Standards have fallen in all departments, be it the stadium, training facilities, medical department, even the food in the hospitality.
EtH might not be able to turn the ship around, but I would rather keep him on for the rest of the season while INEOS come in and have a crack at the operation.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 13 minutes ago
Any new manager won't succeed under the current structure, so I am not actively calling for EtH's head. It won't change anything.
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The current structure is supposedly any day from being ripped out though......isn't that the whole point?
I agree under the same conditions it wouldn't change anything. I think most people who want him out before next season are basing that on the situation at the club being different to what it is now.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
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What if we go on a mad run between now and next summer? To complicate your thought process, what if we did that, and it was largely due to rashford suddenly turning in red hot form? Say we came in 3rd or 4th, would you revise your ‘definitely doesn't get next season.” Statement??
Moyes, LvG, Mourinho, OGS, EtH have all come unstuck. All bar OGS have done well elsewhere.
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That’s just what I call the ‘SAF illusion’, whereby we had a great manager for so many years that our fans don’t seem to get that’s it’s normal for big clubs to go through a few managers before you come across one that’s good enough. Liverpool had to go through Souness, Evans, Houllier, Benitez,Hodgson, Brendan and Kenny before they found Klopp.
Just because we’ve had a few managers since SAF doesn’t mean we fans have to get sacking fatigue and settle for someone who is by any metric doing even worse than the previous ones. Because if we start blaming the structure for our woes than that means we give too much leeway for the insipid performances that offer zero hope the manager has any idea how to turn it around. What are you seeing that’s offering any hope?
To be clear - under our current structure I 100% agree that we won’t ever overtake City or Liverpool whoever our manager is. Thats something I share with all of you in agreement.
But a better manager than what we have will at least be able to get more out of the players he inherits and signs and will have us at least enjoy watching what we’re seeing on the pitch which for me should be the bare minimum.
comment by >💲Baz tard🦍+❄️=? (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
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What if we go on a mad run between now and next summer? To complicate your thought process, what if we did that, and it was largely due to rashford suddenly turning in red hot form? Say we came in 3rd or 4th, would you revise your ‘definitely doesn't get next season.” Statement??
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Would depend on a lot of factors tbh.
Unlike a lot of posters on here I do change my mind though. Some people are so determined to be right that they double down. When I get something totally wrong I'm not afraid to say so. For example I was all in the 'we must get ETH as our manager' camp. He was my number one choice and I'm now not afraid to admit I called that one badly. It started off fairly well but he's made too many disastrous decisions now ultimately.
Can you see this group going on a mad run though? I honestly can't. We don't look like we have a goal in us let alone a 7/8 game winning run.
Our next 5 league games
Villa home
Forest away
Spurs home
Wolves away
West Ham home
Perhaps can see one win in all of those
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Our next 5 league games
Villa home- draw/loss
Forest away- win
Spurs home- win
Wolves away- draw
West Ham home- win
Perhaps can see one win in all of those
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Have faith
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by >💲Baz tard🦍+❄️=? (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
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What if we go on a mad run between now and next summer? To complicate your thought process, what if we did that, and it was largely due to rashford suddenly turning in red hot form? Say we came in 3rd or 4th, would you revise your ‘definitely doesn't get next season.” Statement??
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Would depend on a lot of factors tbh.
Unlike a lot of posters on here I do change my mind though. Some people are so determined to be right that they double down. When I get something totally wrong I'm not afraid to say so. For example I was all in the 'we must get ETH as our manager' camp. He was my number one choice and I'm now not afraid to admit I called that one badly. It started off fairly well but he's made too many disastrous decisions now ultimately.
Can you see this group going on a mad run though? I honestly can't. We don't look like we have a goal in us let alone a 7/8 game winning run.
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No I can’t. I think it’s highly unlikely, I was simply pointing out that ‘under no circumstance’ is subject to change in the flux of being a football fan. He’s probably a dead man walking, and might have been in trouble last season if it weren’t for rash
Sack him ASAP. Pointless keeping him on. Get a caretaker manager in appointed by ineos
Do I think EtH is doing well this season, no.
Do I think there’s an obvious alternative who can come in and improve us, no.
Is there any point in making such a drastic move before Ratcliffe comes in and gets his team to assess the club, no.
Are we realistically challenging for anything this season that we desperately need that a change might help, no.
We need to be patient and think about things long term. Yes maybe EtH needs to go but wait until Ratcliffe and his team have assessed things and decided what’s best. Don’t make drastic changes just for short term goals. A season out of Europe really isn’t that harmful for us and sacking managers only gives the players more power and belief that they are untouchable. If we decide to sack EtH, first sort out our DoF and work out which players and manager to bring in from that, not the other way round.
Fans are far too impatient these days and want their shiny new toys as soon as things go bad. Look at us the past decade, we keep doing the same thing with no real long term planning and we make the same mistakes. With the Glazers still at the club our best chance of change is with Ratcliffe so wait and let him make decisions rather than sacking a manager now with no idea who his team want to bring in.
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posted on 23/12/23
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
posted on 23/12/23
We’re in such a state and INEOS are no mugs, now they have manoeuvred the Sheik out this part takeover could get very messy yet. The Glazers lost their Golden Goose egg with Qatar they are exposed to true market conditions now and one suitor.
posted on 23/12/23
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 5 minutes ago
We’re in such a state and INEOS are no mugs, now they have manoeuvred the Sheik out this part takeover could get very messy yet. The Glazers lost their Golden Goose egg with Qatar they are exposed to true market conditions now and one suitor.
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In the summer I could sort of understand Jim's offer. Now it just looks desperate if he goes through with it. He's getting a much worse deal than he was in the summer. Things have changed. We now have no European football in second half of season and almost certainly no CL footy next season at the very least.
The true valuation of the club is dropping like a stone with every passing week. If I was Jim I'd back out now and stall. 1.25bn for 25% is a terrible deal.
posted on 23/12/23
I personally cannot comprehend why people have 0 memory of the last 10 years?
Do the fans calling for ETH out, remember when they were calling for Moyes out? And LvG out? Jose? OGS? Ragnick? Now ETH? Will for sure the next guy get it right where the names above got it wrong?
Why are fans not remembering the last 10 years when managers have had 2-3 years in charge and it ends up like it is now for ETH when they get sacked.
Why are fans not remembering that we sack someone, and then 2-3 years later, we end up in this exact same position?
Why are fans forgetting such recent history?
Why are fans calling for this cycle to continue?
Why aren't fans now screaming for something else?
posted on 23/12/23
comment by House (U17162)
posted 9 minutes ago
I personally cannot comprehend why people have 0 memory of the last 10 years?
Do the fans calling for ETH out, remember when they were calling for Moyes out? And LvG out? Jose? OGS? Ragnick? Now ETH? Will for sure the next guy get it right where the names above got it wrong?
Why are fans not remembering the last 10 years when managers have had 2-3 years in charge and it ends up like it is now for ETH when they get sacked.
Why are fans not remembering that we sack someone, and then 2-3 years later, we end up in this exact same position?
Why are fans forgetting such recent history?
Why are fans calling for this cycle to continue?
Why aren't fans now screaming for something else?
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I remember the last ten years.
I remember the cycle of managers.
And I am asking (not screaming) for something else.
The solution is simple. The owners sell up and a new broom comes in and reorganises the Club. Root and branch, top to bottom.
Until this happens, (which it wont for some time), are you suggesting that United do nothing and leave Erik to it under the same conditions and the same group of players on ridiculous long contracts and hope things on the pitch... just improve, dramatically, with the risk of things getting much worse. How far are you willing to let the club sink before you blink?
posted on 23/12/23
comment by House (U17162)
posted 51 minutes ago
I personally cannot comprehend why people have 0 memory of the last 10 years?
Do the fans calling for ETH out, remember when they were calling for Moyes out? And LvG out? Jose? OGS? Ragnick? Now ETH? Will for sure the next guy get it right where the names above got it wrong?
Why are fans not remembering the last 10 years when managers have had 2-3 years in charge and it ends up like it is now for ETH when they get sacked.
Why are fans not remembering that we sack someone, and then 2-3 years later, we end up in this exact same position?
Why are fans forgetting such recent history?
Why are fans calling for this cycle to continue?
Why aren't fans now screaming for something else?
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Seems a ridiculous stance unless you believe those sacked managers would've become successful at United if they weren't sacked?
There are far bigger problems than the manager though, the Glazers are a scourge, everything wrong with the modern world but the manager could be doing a lot better.
posted on 23/12/23
None of our managers who’ve been sacked have been on a run as bad as this. We’re losing 3-0 at home to Bournemouth who could easily have scored 5 that day. We can’t score at all. We don’t seem to be playing to any coherent gameplan bar a Mourinho style one at Anfield where we conceded over 30 shots.
No one thinks bringing a new manager in will make us world beaters but at least get someone in who can make the current 2/10 United a 7/10 one. Anything is better than now because if we don’t act we could lose as many as 20 games in the PL this season and barely score 40 goals. Which after a spend of £400 million by this manager and a lot of that on players he’s already managed so in theory should know how to get more out of them would be embarrassing.
posted on 23/12/23
Jim Ratcliffe surely isn't going to risk his start at the club with a manager doing this badly.
None of us would do in Jim's shoes either. If he backs ETH and things don't get better quickly then he's off to a terrible start with the fans. And remember a lot of fans wanted Qatar over him anyway.
Erik is a dead man walking. The club just need to pick the right time now.
And....of course we won't become a top club again with just changing the manager. No chance. However you can't just put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend he's doing a good job either. Something needs to give.
I suspect Graham Potter will take over in January with a new team around him. Will he fare any better than ETH? Who bleeding knows anymore.
posted on 23/12/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jim Ratcliffe surely isn't going to risk his start at the club with a manager doing this badly.
None of us would do in Jim's shoes either. If he backs ETH and things don't get better quickly then he's off to a terrible start with the fans. And remember a lot of fans wanted Qatar over him anyway.
Erik is a dead man walking. The club just need to pick the right time now.
And....of course we won't become a top club again with just changing the manager. No chance. However you can't just put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend he's doing a good job either. Something needs to give.
I suspect Graham Potter will take over in January with a new team around him. Will he fare any better than ETH? Who bleeding knows anymore.
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You’d think if Potter doesn’t make the same mistakes and isn’t as stubborn as Ten Hag he’d improve us a fair bit. Perhaps the players would actually buy into what he’s selling because right now we’re a moment side. When those moments don’t happen we’re clueless.
posted on 23/12/23
Whoever it is that takes the job will be up against it. We are skint, we won't have CL football and maybe not even European football at all next season and we are dangerously close to failing FFP.
We are totally screwed for the next few seasons at least essentially. I suspect we will see a few mid table finishes like what Chelsea are experiencing. 10 years of fatal mistakes has caught up on us.
posted on 23/12/23
Oh and thoughts and prayers for Mason Mount if it is Potter that takes over.
That's another Sancho situation as they apparently don't like each other from what I read. 😂
posted on 23/12/23
Any new manager won't succeed under the current structure, so I am not actively calling for EtH's head. It won't change anything.
posted on 23/12/23
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 31 seconds ago
Any new manager won't succeed under the current structure, so I am not actively calling for EtH's head. It won't change anything.
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That’s very naive. Do you honestly think Ten Hag is doing well enough to keep his job?
The glazers are to blame for a lot of things but not for what we see on the pitch every week.
posted on 24/12/23
Moyes, LvG, Mourinho, OGS, EtH have all come unstuck. All bar OGS have done well elsewhere.
When all these managers are struggling, what makes you think the next one won't. Thinking otherwise seems the naive view to me.
They do not have the structure behind them to succeed. Standards have fallen in all departments, be it the stadium, training facilities, medical department, even the food in the hospitality.
EtH might not be able to turn the ship around, but I would rather keep him on for the rest of the season while INEOS come in and have a crack at the operation.
posted on 24/12/23
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 13 minutes ago
Any new manager won't succeed under the current structure, so I am not actively calling for EtH's head. It won't change anything.
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The current structure is supposedly any day from being ripped out though......isn't that the whole point?
I agree under the same conditions it wouldn't change anything. I think most people who want him out before next season are basing that on the situation at the club being different to what it is now.
posted on 24/12/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
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What if we go on a mad run between now and next summer? To complicate your thought process, what if we did that, and it was largely due to rashford suddenly turning in red hot form? Say we came in 3rd or 4th, would you revise your ‘definitely doesn't get next season.” Statement??
posted on 24/12/23
Moyes, LvG, Mourinho, OGS, EtH have all come unstuck. All bar OGS have done well elsewhere.
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That’s just what I call the ‘SAF illusion’, whereby we had a great manager for so many years that our fans don’t seem to get that’s it’s normal for big clubs to go through a few managers before you come across one that’s good enough. Liverpool had to go through Souness, Evans, Houllier, Benitez,Hodgson, Brendan and Kenny before they found Klopp.
Just because we’ve had a few managers since SAF doesn’t mean we fans have to get sacking fatigue and settle for someone who is by any metric doing even worse than the previous ones. Because if we start blaming the structure for our woes than that means we give too much leeway for the insipid performances that offer zero hope the manager has any idea how to turn it around. What are you seeing that’s offering any hope?
posted on 24/12/23
To be clear - under our current structure I 100% agree that we won’t ever overtake City or Liverpool whoever our manager is. Thats something I share with all of you in agreement.
But a better manager than what we have will at least be able to get more out of the players he inherits and signs and will have us at least enjoy watching what we’re seeing on the pitch which for me should be the bare minimum.
posted on 24/12/23
comment by >💲Baz tard🦍+❄️=? (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
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What if we go on a mad run between now and next summer? To complicate your thought process, what if we did that, and it was largely due to rashford suddenly turning in red hot form? Say we came in 3rd or 4th, would you revise your ‘definitely doesn't get next season.” Statement??
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Would depend on a lot of factors tbh.
Unlike a lot of posters on here I do change my mind though. Some people are so determined to be right that they double down. When I get something totally wrong I'm not afraid to say so. For example I was all in the 'we must get ETH as our manager' camp. He was my number one choice and I'm now not afraid to admit I called that one badly. It started off fairly well but he's made too many disastrous decisions now ultimately.
Can you see this group going on a mad run though? I honestly can't. We don't look like we have a goal in us let alone a 7/8 game winning run.
posted on 24/12/23
Our next 5 league games
Villa home
Forest away
Spurs home
Wolves away
West Ham home
Perhaps can see one win in all of those
posted on 24/12/23
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Our next 5 league games
Villa home- draw/loss
Forest away- win
Spurs home- win
Wolves away- draw
West Ham home- win
Perhaps can see one win in all of those
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Have faith
posted on 24/12/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by >💲Baz tard🦍+❄️=? (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
I have no issue with him seeing the season out given it's as good as over now anyway and beyond saving in terms of top 4.
Under no circumstances would I give him another penny though and he definitely doesn't get next season.
However if INEOS's choice is available before the summer then don't wait. Get him in now so we have 6 months to build for the summer and next season.
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What if we go on a mad run between now and next summer? To complicate your thought process, what if we did that, and it was largely due to rashford suddenly turning in red hot form? Say we came in 3rd or 4th, would you revise your ‘definitely doesn't get next season.” Statement??
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Would depend on a lot of factors tbh.
Unlike a lot of posters on here I do change my mind though. Some people are so determined to be right that they double down. When I get something totally wrong I'm not afraid to say so. For example I was all in the 'we must get ETH as our manager' camp. He was my number one choice and I'm now not afraid to admit I called that one badly. It started off fairly well but he's made too many disastrous decisions now ultimately.
Can you see this group going on a mad run though? I honestly can't. We don't look like we have a goal in us let alone a 7/8 game winning run.
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No I can’t. I think it’s highly unlikely, I was simply pointing out that ‘under no circumstance’ is subject to change in the flux of being a football fan. He’s probably a dead man walking, and might have been in trouble last season if it weren’t for rash
posted on 24/12/23
Sack him ASAP. Pointless keeping him on. Get a caretaker manager in appointed by ineos
posted on 24/12/23
Fool
posted on 24/12/23
Do I think EtH is doing well this season, no.
Do I think there’s an obvious alternative who can come in and improve us, no.
Is there any point in making such a drastic move before Ratcliffe comes in and gets his team to assess the club, no.
Are we realistically challenging for anything this season that we desperately need that a change might help, no.
We need to be patient and think about things long term. Yes maybe EtH needs to go but wait until Ratcliffe and his team have assessed things and decided what’s best. Don’t make drastic changes just for short term goals. A season out of Europe really isn’t that harmful for us and sacking managers only gives the players more power and belief that they are untouchable. If we decide to sack EtH, first sort out our DoF and work out which players and manager to bring in from that, not the other way round.
Fans are far too impatient these days and want their shiny new toys as soon as things go bad. Look at us the past decade, we keep doing the same thing with no real long term planning and we make the same mistakes. With the Glazers still at the club our best chance of change is with Ratcliffe so wait and let him make decisions rather than sacking a manager now with no idea who his team want to bring in.
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