And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
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Yes.
b. Penalty kick/no penalty kick
attacking team offence in the build-up to the penalty incident (handball, foul, offside etc.)
ball out of play prior to the incident
location of offence (inside or outside the penalty area)
penalty kick incorrectly awarded
penalty kick offence not penalised
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-match-changing-decisions-incidents
Webb was quizzed on mistakes made this season - Arsenal and Brighton were particularly aggrieved, as we mentioned - and he said that 'open conversations' have been had with clubs, with apologies made privately as well as publicly.
It showed good self awareness that they reviewed one of the decisions VAR got wrong when Ivan Toney won a penalty against Bournemouth.
Webb explained that the APP was in question as a foul earlier in the play should have triggered a Bournemouth free-kick - but VAR started to analyse too late in the move.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12086819/amp/FIVE-THINGS-LEARNED-Sky-Sports-VAR-special-Howard-Webb.html
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
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Yes.
b. Penalty kick/no penalty kick
attacking team offence in the build-up to the penalty incident (handball, foul, offside etc.)
ball out of play prior to the incident
location of offence (inside or outside the penalty area)
penalty kick incorrectly awarded
penalty kick offence not penalised
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-match-changing-decisions-incidents
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I’m unwilling to consider any information that does not come in audio form.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
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Yes.
b. Penalty kick/no penalty kick
attacking team offence in the build-up to the penalty incident (handball, foul, offside etc.)
ball out of play prior to the incident
location of offence (inside or outside the penalty area)
penalty kick incorrectly awarded
penalty kick offence not penalised
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-match-changing-decisions-incidents
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kl cheers that clears it up, its 100% shouldn't have been a penalty if he was offside.
VAR refs should have picked up on the offside and therefore given that decision.
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posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
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QED
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
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well it appears that yes it was confirmed by the commentators that it was confirmed as offside by VAR.
again this is the whole debacle, it stinks of the refs trying to cover their backs to make up for a mistake.
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 30 seconds ago
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
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the mistake of not ruling it offside, as per confirmation that it was given as offisde.
keep up
So how does this get solved?
The game's over. Time for people to get over it imo.
And about the only thing both sets of fans can agree on is Collum is a useless official, but firing him for this would set a precedence that nobody wants.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 30 seconds ago
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
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the mistake of not ruling it offside, as per confirmation that it was given as offisde.
keep up
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Or collum just didnt think it was pen anyway.
Which if he didn't you cant say its a mistake as its all a matter of opinion.
I agree wasn't a pen for me but then I hate the handball rule these days. Its beyond stupid now.
Defenders jumping with their hands behind their back.
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 30 seconds ago
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
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the mistake of not ruling it offside, as per confirmation that it was given as offisde.
keep up
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Or collum just didnt think it was pen anyway.
Which if he didn't you cant say its a mistake as its all a matter of opinion.
I agree wasn't a pen for me but then I hate the handball rule these days. Its beyond stupid now.
Defenders jumping with their hands behind their back.
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I dont think it was a pen either again the debate on here now isnt whether it was a pen or not it is down to the refs not doing their job properly and then lying about it to cover it up.
you can say it was a mistake cos the handball debate shouldnt have taken place, the offside should have ruled this out. but the goal kick was given for no handball and then was changed to offside afterwards to cover up said mistake.
the decision should have been offside and the VAR team realised this and changed their decision.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
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Agree, I asked if anyone has a source for it and it was provided.
hence why the goal should have been ruled as offside and why the VAR team changed their decision.
Its down the idiots in the VAR room that genuinely thought it was better to change the decision to the right one rather than own up to making a mistake.
If they cant admit to a mistake when it didnt really affect anything then Im fairly certain they wont admit error in more serious or game changing incidents, they will once again try to save face and cover their backs.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
Its down the idiots in the VAR room that genuinely thought it was better to change the decision to the right one rather than own up to making a mistake.
If they cant admit to a mistake when it didnt really affect anything then Im fairly certain they wont admit error in more serious or game changing incidents, they will once again try to save face and cover their backs.
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See you haven't got round to honouring our name change yet, dumbtit?
Still raging on about holidays and time zones!!
You're not setting a very good example to that wee one you're expecting by welching on bets and not being a man of your word you know.
Slimy bet welching weasel
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
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Agree, I asked if anyone has a source for it and it was provided.
hence why the goal should have been ruled as offside and why the VAR team changed their decision.
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I’m confused. There was no “goal”. There could have been a penalty awarded (matter of opinion) which everyone (more or less) agrees would have been rescinded as Sima was offside. Indirect free kick to Celtic.
The referee gave a bye kick which backs up the view that he didn’t believe it was deliberate or “unnatural” enough to award a penalty and for some reason didn’t award a corner. The VAR panel didn’t believe that the referee had made a clear and obvious error so didn’t know intervene. The referee never claimed it as being offside.
That was presented by Sky who “drew the lines” indicating simply that had a penalty been given, then it would have been ruled out.
I haven’t seen any sign of the referee indicating it was brushed aside because Sima was offside. It was simply his opinion that it wasn’t a penalty.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
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Gawd bless ‘er. She did a marvellous job.
Wow! Of all the contentious refereeing decisions (particularly since VAR was introduced) This is the ONE we (SPFL) are going shine a light on and make sure heads roll? Really?
Even in this OP it’s morphed into some kind title deciding disallowed “goal”.
It was a mid season, first half, cross field pass that was going out for a goal kick. At least 2 (two) referees in an official capacity have deemed it not a clear and obvious penalty. And it was offside anyway 😳
There are a dozen better examples every week. It seems more about Rangers lack of familiarity with the circumstances than the credibility of the argument?
Nah. It's about how it was dealt with.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
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Agree, I asked if anyone has a source for it and it was provided.
hence why the goal should have been ruled as offside and why the VAR team changed their decision.
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I’m confused. There was no “goal”. There could have been a penalty awarded (matter of opinion) which everyone (more or less) agrees would have been rescinded as Sima was offside. Indirect free kick to Celtic.
The referee gave a bye kick which backs up the view that he didn’t believe it was deliberate or “unnatural” enough to award a penalty and for some reason didn’t award a corner. The VAR panel didn’t believe that the referee had made a clear and obvious error so didn’t know intervene. The referee never claimed it as being offside.
That was presented by Sky who “drew the lines” indicating simply that had a penalty been given, then it would have been ruled out.
I haven’t seen any sign of the referee indicating it was brushed aside because Sima was offside. It was simply his opinion that it wasn’t a penalty.
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thats not the correct procedure however.
If Collum and Walsh thought the hand ball wasnt a pen and awarded either a goal kick (or the correct corner) and there was no offside then thats fine we might disagree but it would be correct.
what seem to have happened here is that they gave that decision, got the feedback from just about everyone who had seen it as a stonewaller and decided to change the reason for it being not awarded hence why SKY confirmed the reason as being offside and as Smid said displayed the lines to show that.
we know they didnt originally give it as offside as a goal kick was awarded. So when and why did they change their mind, and has been said if you dont see the problem that can arise from that there isnt much more to say.
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posted on 4/1/24
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
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Yes.
b. Penalty kick/no penalty kick
attacking team offence in the build-up to the penalty incident (handball, foul, offside etc.)
ball out of play prior to the incident
location of offence (inside or outside the penalty area)
penalty kick incorrectly awarded
penalty kick offence not penalised
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-match-changing-decisions-incidents
posted on 4/1/24
Webb was quizzed on mistakes made this season - Arsenal and Brighton were particularly aggrieved, as we mentioned - and he said that 'open conversations' have been had with clubs, with apologies made privately as well as publicly.
It showed good self awareness that they reviewed one of the decisions VAR got wrong when Ivan Toney won a penalty against Bournemouth.
Webb explained that the APP was in question as a foul earlier in the play should have triggered a Bournemouth free-kick - but VAR started to analyse too late in the move.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12086819/amp/FIVE-THINGS-LEARNED-Sky-Sports-VAR-special-Howard-Webb.html
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
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Yes.
b. Penalty kick/no penalty kick
attacking team offence in the build-up to the penalty incident (handball, foul, offside etc.)
ball out of play prior to the incident
location of offence (inside or outside the penalty area)
penalty kick incorrectly awarded
penalty kick offence not penalised
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-match-changing-decisions-incidents
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I’m unwilling to consider any information that does not come in audio form.
posted on 4/1/24
Pray for the juggler.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
And he was wrong. He’s a former ref btw.
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I know I said he was...
and is he wrong ... do you have any source info that says he was wrong?
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Yes.
b. Penalty kick/no penalty kick
attacking team offence in the build-up to the penalty incident (handball, foul, offside etc.)
ball out of play prior to the incident
location of offence (inside or outside the penalty area)
penalty kick incorrectly awarded
penalty kick offence not penalised
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-match-changing-decisions-incidents
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kl cheers that clears it up, its 100% shouldn't have been a penalty if he was offside.
VAR refs should have picked up on the offside and therefore given that decision.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
posted on 4/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
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QED
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
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posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
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QED
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well it appears that yes it was confirmed by the commentators that it was confirmed as offside by VAR.
again this is the whole debacle, it stinks of the refs trying to cover their backs to make up for a mistake.
posted on 4/1/24
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 30 seconds ago
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
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the mistake of not ruling it offside, as per confirmation that it was given as offisde.
keep up
posted on 4/1/24
So how does this get solved?
The game's over. Time for people to get over it imo.
And about the only thing both sets of fans can agree on is Collum is a useless official, but firing him for this would set a precedence that nobody wants.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 30 seconds ago
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
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the mistake of not ruling it offside, as per confirmation that it was given as offisde.
keep up
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Or collum just didnt think it was pen anyway.
Which if he didn't you cant say its a mistake as its all a matter of opinion.
I agree wasn't a pen for me but then I hate the handball rule these days. Its beyond stupid now.
Defenders jumping with their hands behind their back.
posted on 4/1/24
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 30 seconds ago
What mistake?
He didnt think it was a penalty. That is entirely upto the ref and video ref.
Others might have a different opinion but to me it wasn''t a pen.
I thought turnbulls was a pen but again both ref and VAR said it wasn't.
That could have been a crucial decision also.
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the mistake of not ruling it offside, as per confirmation that it was given as offisde.
keep up
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Or collum just didnt think it was pen anyway.
Which if he didn't you cant say its a mistake as its all a matter of opinion.
I agree wasn't a pen for me but then I hate the handball rule these days. Its beyond stupid now.
Defenders jumping with their hands behind their back.
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I dont think it was a pen either again the debate on here now isnt whether it was a pen or not it is down to the refs not doing their job properly and then lying about it to cover it up.
you can say it was a mistake cos the handball debate shouldnt have taken place, the offside should have ruled this out. but the goal kick was given for no handball and then was changed to offside afterwards to cover up said mistake.
the decision should have been offside and the VAR team realised this and changed their decision.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
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Agree, I asked if anyone has a source for it and it was provided.
hence why the goal should have been ruled as offside and why the VAR team changed their decision.
posted on 4/1/24
Its down the idiots in the VAR room that genuinely thought it was better to change the decision to the right one rather than own up to making a mistake.
If they cant admit to a mistake when it didnt really affect anything then Im fairly certain they wont admit error in more serious or game changing incidents, they will once again try to save face and cover their backs.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
Its down the idiots in the VAR room that genuinely thought it was better to change the decision to the right one rather than own up to making a mistake.
If they cant admit to a mistake when it didnt really affect anything then Im fairly certain they wont admit error in more serious or game changing incidents, they will once again try to save face and cover their backs.
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See you haven't got round to honouring our name change yet, dumbtit?
Still raging on about holidays and time zones!!
You're not setting a very good example to that wee one you're expecting by welching on bets and not being a man of your word you know.
Slimy bet welching weasel
posted on 4/1/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
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Agree, I asked if anyone has a source for it and it was provided.
hence why the goal should have been ruled as offside and why the VAR team changed their decision.
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I’m confused. There was no “goal”. There could have been a penalty awarded (matter of opinion) which everyone (more or less) agrees would have been rescinded as Sima was offside. Indirect free kick to Celtic.
The referee gave a bye kick which backs up the view that he didn’t believe it was deliberate or “unnatural” enough to award a penalty and for some reason didn’t award a corner. The VAR panel didn’t believe that the referee had made a clear and obvious error so didn’t know intervene. The referee never claimed it as being offside.
That was presented by Sky who “drew the lines” indicating simply that had a penalty been given, then it would have been ruled out.
I haven’t seen any sign of the referee indicating it was brushed aside because Sima was offside. It was simply his opinion that it wasn’t a penalty.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 14 minutes ago
i don't think he has ever claimed it was offside has he?
the lines were shown later on but i don't think the claim was ever that it wasn't given, he simply didn't think it was a handball.
like goldsons save
or on the very first var game when the hearts player had a handball.
i'd have wanted a penalty if it was against us, just like the goldson one and just like the hearts one.
the amount of unpunished handballs goldson has had and rangers having the bottle to cry conspiracy for one decision they wouldn't have got a penalty for is mental.
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did they not confirm half way through the 2nd half that it was given as offside?
thats the whole debate going on. VAR said no penalty , ref said no penalty and a goal kick awarded.
after everyone said it was a stone waller at half time, we were informed that it was offside decision is why it wasnt awarded. despite no offside flag, no offside signal by the ref and no free kick for offside given, but the refs said after the game the reason it was given was offside, rangers have now listened to the audio of the VAR and have said there was no communication of offisde and that the decision was no penalty.
its a case off the refs changing their reasons for decisions after they have made it to paint them in a better light, to cover up mistakes and the such.
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Is this some sort of elaborate playing dumb act to support another debate that is going on somewhere else?
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no clue what you mean
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QED
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Gawd bless ‘er. She did a marvellous job.
posted on 4/1/24
Wow! Of all the contentious refereeing decisions (particularly since VAR was introduced) This is the ONE we (SPFL) are going shine a light on and make sure heads roll? Really?
Even in this OP it’s morphed into some kind title deciding disallowed “goal”.
It was a mid season, first half, cross field pass that was going out for a goal kick. At least 2 (two) referees in an official capacity have deemed it not a clear and obvious penalty. And it was offside anyway 😳
There are a dozen better examples every week. It seems more about Rangers lack of familiarity with the circumstances than the credibility of the argument?
posted on 4/1/24
Nah. It's about how it was dealt with.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
“does it ?? there was a ref saying that they shouldnt have been able to use VAR to decide if it was offside in this incident?”
Then that ref is wrong. Offside is looked at for any “incident” that results in a penalty or a goal. It’s automatic.
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Agree, I asked if anyone has a source for it and it was provided.
hence why the goal should have been ruled as offside and why the VAR team changed their decision.
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I’m confused. There was no “goal”. There could have been a penalty awarded (matter of opinion) which everyone (more or less) agrees would have been rescinded as Sima was offside. Indirect free kick to Celtic.
The referee gave a bye kick which backs up the view that he didn’t believe it was deliberate or “unnatural” enough to award a penalty and for some reason didn’t award a corner. The VAR panel didn’t believe that the referee had made a clear and obvious error so didn’t know intervene. The referee never claimed it as being offside.
That was presented by Sky who “drew the lines” indicating simply that had a penalty been given, then it would have been ruled out.
I haven’t seen any sign of the referee indicating it was brushed aside because Sima was offside. It was simply his opinion that it wasn’t a penalty.
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thats not the correct procedure however.
If Collum and Walsh thought the hand ball wasnt a pen and awarded either a goal kick (or the correct corner) and there was no offside then thats fine we might disagree but it would be correct.
what seem to have happened here is that they gave that decision, got the feedback from just about everyone who had seen it as a stonewaller and decided to change the reason for it being not awarded hence why SKY confirmed the reason as being offside and as Smid said displayed the lines to show that.
we know they didnt originally give it as offside as a goal kick was awarded. So when and why did they change their mind, and has been said if you dont see the problem that can arise from that there isnt much more to say.
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