Christ, what a shambles this is.

"Arteta will not win anything with our club, hes peaked and its clear to see."

"- One FA Cup in the Covid year
- Two Charity Shields which are glorified friendlies."

no words required

Arsenal are probably the third best side in England the last few years in reality and you could argue last year they punched above their weight.

No other club mentions charity shields

comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 5 minutes ago
No other club mentions charity shields
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tbf he literally called them glorified friendlies

Emperor Kami:
More about me:
Big supporter of Arsenal Football Club. No one is a bigger supporter of Arsenal than me.

Mikel Arteta should be given a knighthood for saving this club after Arsene Wenger single handedly tried to burn it

Also Emperor Kami:
Sack Arteta
🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

If we collapse in the league and get KO by Porto the yes he needs to go

Crawl first. Then walk. And then you can finally run.

1) First thing we needed to do was to stop the gradual drift into mid-table obscurity.

2) Our second priority should be a run of about 3-4 years of relative financial security via the Champions League.

Our 6-year absence from the competition pretty much burnt through our cash reserves. A result of year after year of declared financial losses, coupled with stagnating revenues. To the point of almost running afoul of the stricter UEFA FFP conditions.

The new 2024/25 CL format promises relatively bigger financial rewards. A shot in the arm for any big side trying to compete with the state-owned clubs.

3) Then, and only then, can we hope to consistently and sustainably challenge for titles.

Every season under Mikel Arteta has been an improvement on the last. And I wouldn't write this season off yet.

comment by 19 + 6 > 20 + 3 (U22930)
posted 38 seconds ago
Emperor Kami:
More about me:
Big supporter of Arsenal Football Club. No one is a bigger supporter of Arsenal than me.

Mikel Arteta should be given a knighthood for saving this club after Arsene Wenger single handedly tried to burn it

Also Emperor Kami:
Sack Arteta
🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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thanks i used to support him and forgot to update my bio

as i said he did a good job in turning the club around but hes peaked.

Not saying hes a crap manager, just not at the level required for us anymore

Talk about knee jerk reactions!

Up to about 2 weeks ago we were top of the league. There's plenty of football still to be played and, whilst we probably don't have enough to go all the way, we are still very much in the running.

Arteta certainly hasn't got everything right since joining and he's made a number of questionable decisions. That being said he's been a major part of transforming the club and putting us back up there at the top end of the table. Arguably more importantly he's united the club and brought back the feel-good factor again. Let's not forget the toxic atmosphere around the Emirates towards the end of the Wenger and Emery years. I'd be careful what you wish for before calling for Arteta Out.

comment by Cinciwolf----JA06 NFL Fantasy CHAMP 2023 (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
Arsenal are probably the third best side in England the last few years
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Hmmm, the last 18 months more like.

Arteta has done a decent job having been given time, plenty of money and the backing of the board to get rid of certain characters. Which in fairness is the least any manager of a top club should demand.

However, he is very much now in a situation where he has experience, he’s had time, he’s spent money, it’s his team built on his decision making. If it isn’t working, if they are falling behind, regressing etc it’s on him. If they aren’t scoring goals it’s because of the way he’s built the squad and he has to be accountable. If he wins nothing this season and just gets 3rd or 4th then he’s not really delivering anything different to what Wenger was in his latter years, having been there for knocking on 5 years (by the end of the season). Wenger was hounded out for similar, and he had a lot more credit in the bank than Arteta.

comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 17 minutes ago
Crawl first. Then walk. And then you can finally run.

1) First thing we needed to do was to stop the gradual drift into mid-table obscurity.

2) Our second priority should be a run of about 3-4 years of relative financial security via the Champions League.

Our 6-year absence from the competition pretty much burnt through our cash reserves. A result of year after year of declared financial losses, coupled with stagnating revenues. To the point of almost running afoul of the stricter UEFA FFP conditions.

The new 2024/25 CL format promises relatively bigger financial rewards. A shot in the arm for any big side trying to compete with the state-owned clubs.

3) Then, and only then, can we hope to consistently and sustainably challenge for titles.

Every season under Mikel Arteta has been an improvement on the last. And I wouldn't write this season off yet.

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comment by Cinciwolf----JA06 NFL Fantasy CHAMP 2023 (U11551)
posted 46 minutes ago
Christ, what a shambles this is.
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Indeed

We might get more sense out of Piccolo

comment by Ace (U14461)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA06 NFL Fantasy CHAMP 2023 (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
Arsenal are probably the third best side in England the last few years
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Hmmm, the last 18 months more like.

Arteta has done a decent job having been given time, plenty of money and the backing of the board to get rid of certain characters. Which in fairness is the least any manager of a top club should demand.

However, he is very much now in a situation where he has experience, he’s had time, he’s spent money, it’s his team built on his decision making. If it isn’t working, if they are falling behind, regressing etc it’s on him. If they aren’t scoring goals it’s because of the way he’s built the squad and he has to be accountable. If he wins nothing this season and just gets 3rd or 4th then he’s not really delivering anything different to what Wenger was in his latter years, having been there for knocking on 5 years (by the end of the season). Wenger was hounded out for similar, and he had a lot more credit in the bank than Arteta.
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Wenger dropped out of the top 4 and we were only getting worse tbh

Arteta certainly deserves a bit of a criticism or at least a spotlight on some of his decision making (transfers, lack of rotation, lack of opportunities for youth players) but overall most sensible fans arent going to argue with the current regime if you zoom out a bit.

My main criticism of Arteta is that I believe he has been more influenced by Moyes than Wenger/Pep. He spent the first two years obsessing about defending. Spending 100s of millions in the process. I contrast that to Ange. Although his project might not go anywhere, I think that's a wiser way to go. It's far harder trying to find top attackers than defenders!

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
My main criticism of Arteta is that I believe he has been more influenced by Moyes than Wenger/Pep. He spent the first two years obsessing about defending. Spending 100s of millions in the process. I contrast that to Ange. Although his project might not go anywhere, I think that's a wiser way to go. It's far harder trying to find top attackers than defenders!
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I can see why hes signing Onana but we just so desperately need a striker

comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
My main criticism of Arteta is that I believe he has been more influenced by Moyes than Wenger/Pep. He spent the first two years obsessing about defending. Spending 100s of millions in the process. I contrast that to Ange. Although his project might not go anywhere, I think that's a wiser way to go. It's far harder trying to find top attackers than defenders!
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I can see why hes signing Onana but we just so desperately need a striker
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Maybe our ffp situation is a tad exaggerated and we can sign both?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
My main criticism of Arteta is that I believe he has been more influenced by Moyes than Wenger/Pep. He spent the first two years obsessing about defending. Spending 100s of millions in the process. I contrast that to Ange. Although his project might not go anywhere, I think that's a wiser way to go. It's far harder trying to find top attackers than defenders!
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Exactly this. He is a defensive coach.

I ready recently the comparisons between Arteta attacking signings since coming to the club compared to the attackers Pep and Klopp have brought in.

It's insane

I dont particularly like Arteta as a person but the guys not that bad and deserves a bit more time. Hes still very young for a manager and learning, his squads verys young and learning too.

Ofcs theres issues, a lot hes brought on himself this year. The GK issue, partey at rb, havertz signings tryna fit him in, dropped gabriel too at the start . Plays saka too much never gets a rest, favours him playing into form and Havertz etc but doesnt give the same treatment to others who he justs drops outright.

Hows he been in the market? i think hes spent a hell of a lot, cant be many teams spent more other than Chelsea? The squads improved for sure but his best players he inherited Saka Martinelli Saliba etc. Vieira, Zinchenko, Havertz, Lokonga, Raya, Kiwior guy so many question marks. Still its early doors for a lot of them, theyre signed young and 5/6+ years minimum not 1/2.

He also dropped players who saved his job in the first place like ESR? Remember he was close to being sacked at one point but you stuck with him and he repaid you by making you believe again. I think at the least he deserves that chance again. Especially when you factor in who you gonna get to replace and are they gonna be able to compete to Pep and Klopp etc esp with Artetas team that so much has been spent on already?

Definitely over performad last year and this year too, dont think theyve played particularly well in the league but only 5 points off top so have clearly picked up some good points. I don't get why Arsenal fans feel they have a right to anything like its an easy task either.

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
My main criticism of Arteta is that I believe he has been more influenced by Moyes than Wenger/Pep. He spent the first two years obsessing about defending. Spending 100s of millions in the process. I contrast that to Ange. Although his project might not go anywhere, I think that's a wiser way to go. It's far harder trying to find top attackers than defenders!
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Exactly this. He is a defensive coach.

I ready recently the comparisons between Arteta attacking signings since coming to the club compared to the attackers Pep and Klopp have brought in.

It's insane
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It's a fair Criticism. He Inherited Martinelli, Saka and Nketiah. So that means he's purchased Trossard, Jesus and Havertz. Havertz with him trying to get round FFP by signing a player to cover two positions - except he's not a master of either position.

Havertz was not signed to cover two positions. Arteta thinks of him as an ideal left no.8 and tbf he has done much better in that position recently.

I suspect we are going to replace Eddie Nkektiah and Havertz was played as CF against Liverpool purely as cover because Jesus has a minor injury!

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 17 seconds ago
Havertz was not signed to cover two positions. Arteta thinks of him as an ideal left no.8 and tbf he has done much better in that position recently.

I suspect we are going to replace Eddie Nkektiah and Havertz was played as CF against Liverpool purely as cover because Jesus has a minor injury!
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Havertz was also played as a striker in the community shield.

No he had not done well in the left 8. Scored a few goals but overall play has been shocking