comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
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So true
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 31 minutes ago
And credit where its due btw - Onana was superb today.
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Wait. What?
No way.
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Eh?
The internet is great:
https://twitter.com/KlCKASSCANTONA/status/1756775061879496797?t=e57W85F8gbFOZt5-VfLOSg&s=19
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
The internet is great:
https://twitter.com/KlCKASSCANTONA/status/1756775061879496797?t=e57W85F8gbFOZt5-VfLOSg&s=19
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (#EthIn) (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 seconds ago
The biggest gripe I have with him is he's replaced DDG with an inferior player and for a lot of money. I was all on board with a ball playing GK coming in but I had no idea he was this dodgy with practically everything he does. As I said I didn't watch much of him at Ajax or Inter.
He also spent 85m on Antony who isn't even as good as Elanga and 55m on Mason Mount.
Had this money been spent better we could competing with Arsenal and Liverpool to try and topple City. Instead we're competing with Villa, Newcastle, Spurs and Brighton.
I still can't get my head around the Mason Mount one. It never made any sense to anyone. We didn't need that type of player given he made Bruno his captain the same summer.
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You sound like a broken record.
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He’s not wrong though in fairness.
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He is though.
ETH isn't a head of recruitment, a scout, a DOF or a transfer negotiator. It's a failing of *the club* and it's footballing structures that we've spent big on Antony and made dubious decisions with regards to Mount (who's a good player when he can actually get on the pitch) and Onana (who I don't rate personally, but has quietly put a decent run of performances together before and since AFCON).
If INEOS can put the best in class football people in primary charge of squad building and leave ETH to coach then maybe we'll see the best of ETH.
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This is such a cop out and I'm sick of arguing it.
I agree ETH shouldn't be acting as DOF as well as manager. I don't blame the man himself for being put in this position. We all know who is to blame for that.
What your doing is excusing him for wasting £150m on two players he knew very very well. Those signings were all on him. Nobody else can be blamed for this.
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You can argue that 2+2=5 all you like (and be sick of doing so in the process).
If the club gave ETH free reign to pick his targets, that's on the club. It's as simple as that. ETH hadn't managed outside of the Dutch league, and only really at two clubs, so his range of player contacts and first hand knowledge of players was going to be limited by his experience (as with any coach). He'd also never managed in the PL before, so the suitability of those players to the league would be hard to judge for him alone. Richard Arnold expressly stated that signings had to be agreed between both the manager and the recruitment departments. We don't know how that panned out in practice, but it's a stretch to call these exclusively "ETH signings". And again, he didn't write the cheques for them.
It's also a massive double standard. Ole signed Sancho for comparable money to Antony. Was this an "Ole signing"? We can point to plenty of expensive duds over the years that pre-date ETH's arrival at the club. Our ineptitude in the market is not on ETH. Relying too heavily on any given manager's recommendations is a textbook illustration of our inadequacies at squad building and as with failings *prior* to ETH's arrival, the buck stops with the owners and people they put in place to look after the football project.
And of course, we've signed plenty of players that ETH had never worked with (Casemiro, Mount, Hojlund, Malacia, Reguilon, Bayindir, Reguilon, Weghorst, Sabitzer, Evans), plus promoted Garnacho & Mainoo from the academy. The point here being that it somewhat reinforces Arnold's claim about mutual agreements on signings.
So again, it would be unfair to blame ETH (or put the bulk of the blame on him) for failings in the transfer market that have been a consistent issue long before he walked through the doors at Carrington.
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
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We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
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We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
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*freak
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
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It was a terrible result.
Especially from where I come from.
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
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It was a terrible result.
Especially from where I come from.
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If terrible results were a sacking offence then yes he should have been sacked for that one.
However I suspect you are doing a bit of leg pulling here because it would have been utterly stupid to sack him then.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 31 minutes ago
And credit where its due btw - Onana was superb today.
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Wait. What?
No way.
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Eh?
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Superb?
Absolutely not.
His distribution at times was incredibly concerning.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a terrible result.
Especially from where I come from.
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If terrible results were a sacking offence then yes he should have been sacked for that one.
However I suspect you are doing a bit of leg pulling here because it would have been utterly stupid to sack him then.
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It would have been.
But no United fan has ever actually thought that one day United would get beat 7-0 by Liverpool. Even when we have been in much worse positions. Its never been a real thinkable posibility in the history of the club. And this was also on the back of shipping 6 against City at Old Trafford earlier in the season. And thats another story, although that has happened before.
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 5 minutes ago
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
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I think quite a lot United of fans are.
I think many are hoping to see things improve via INEOS not ETH.
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 30 minutes ago
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
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Not all the fans are sitting on the fence, only the village idiots
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (#EthIn) (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 30 minutes ago
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
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Not all the fans are sitting on the fence, only the village idiots
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why dont you stop chucking insults in everything you post and just discuss stuff?
Like most of the squad, ETH has the rest of the season with somewhat of a clean slate to earn his place next season. Whilst this season has been pretty miserable, I think there's enough mitigation to look at last season and not think this season is the norm.
He's a good coach, clearly. It may be that United isn't the place for him to be but if we part ways in the summer then I expect him to go and do a decent job somewhere else.
Pretty much the whole squad is on audition now and I think there's only really a handful of people I'd have as dead certs to be a part of the first team next season but I'll give pretty much all of them a clean slate for the second half of the season.
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posted on 11/2/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So true
posted on 11/2/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 31 minutes ago
And credit where its due btw - Onana was superb today.
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Wait. What?
No way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
posted on 11/2/24
The internet is great:
https://twitter.com/KlCKASSCANTONA/status/1756775061879496797?t=e57W85F8gbFOZt5-VfLOSg&s=19
posted on 11/2/24
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
The internet is great:
https://twitter.com/KlCKASSCANTONA/status/1756775061879496797?t=e57W85F8gbFOZt5-VfLOSg&s=19
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posted on 11/2/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
posted on 11/2/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (#EthIn) (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 seconds ago
The biggest gripe I have with him is he's replaced DDG with an inferior player and for a lot of money. I was all on board with a ball playing GK coming in but I had no idea he was this dodgy with practically everything he does. As I said I didn't watch much of him at Ajax or Inter.
He also spent 85m on Antony who isn't even as good as Elanga and 55m on Mason Mount.
Had this money been spent better we could competing with Arsenal and Liverpool to try and topple City. Instead we're competing with Villa, Newcastle, Spurs and Brighton.
I still can't get my head around the Mason Mount one. It never made any sense to anyone. We didn't need that type of player given he made Bruno his captain the same summer.
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You sound like a broken record.
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He’s not wrong though in fairness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He is though.
ETH isn't a head of recruitment, a scout, a DOF or a transfer negotiator. It's a failing of *the club* and it's footballing structures that we've spent big on Antony and made dubious decisions with regards to Mount (who's a good player when he can actually get on the pitch) and Onana (who I don't rate personally, but has quietly put a decent run of performances together before and since AFCON).
If INEOS can put the best in class football people in primary charge of squad building and leave ETH to coach then maybe we'll see the best of ETH.
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This is such a cop out and I'm sick of arguing it.
I agree ETH shouldn't be acting as DOF as well as manager. I don't blame the man himself for being put in this position. We all know who is to blame for that.
What your doing is excusing him for wasting £150m on two players he knew very very well. Those signings were all on him. Nobody else can be blamed for this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can argue that 2+2=5 all you like (and be sick of doing so in the process).
If the club gave ETH free reign to pick his targets, that's on the club. It's as simple as that. ETH hadn't managed outside of the Dutch league, and only really at two clubs, so his range of player contacts and first hand knowledge of players was going to be limited by his experience (as with any coach). He'd also never managed in the PL before, so the suitability of those players to the league would be hard to judge for him alone. Richard Arnold expressly stated that signings had to be agreed between both the manager and the recruitment departments. We don't know how that panned out in practice, but it's a stretch to call these exclusively "ETH signings". And again, he didn't write the cheques for them.
It's also a massive double standard. Ole signed Sancho for comparable money to Antony. Was this an "Ole signing"? We can point to plenty of expensive duds over the years that pre-date ETH's arrival at the club. Our ineptitude in the market is not on ETH. Relying too heavily on any given manager's recommendations is a textbook illustration of our inadequacies at squad building and as with failings *prior* to ETH's arrival, the buck stops with the owners and people they put in place to look after the football project.
And of course, we've signed plenty of players that ETH had never worked with (Casemiro, Mount, Hojlund, Malacia, Reguilon, Bayindir, Reguilon, Weghorst, Sabitzer, Evans), plus promoted Garnacho & Mainoo from the academy. The point here being that it somewhat reinforces Arnold's claim about mutual agreements on signings.
So again, it would be unfair to blame ETH (or put the bulk of the blame on him) for failings in the transfer market that have been a consistent issue long before he walked through the doors at Carrington.
posted on 11/2/24
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
posted on 11/2/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
*freak
posted on 11/2/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a terrible result.
Especially from where I come from.
posted on 11/2/24
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a terrible result.
Especially from where I come from.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If terrible results were a sacking offence then yes he should have been sacked for that one.
However I suspect you are doing a bit of leg pulling here because it would have been utterly stupid to sack him then.
posted on 11/2/24
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 31 minutes ago
And credit where its due btw - Onana was superb today.
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Wait. What?
No way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb?
Absolutely not.
His distribution at times was incredibly concerning.
posted on 11/2/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 minutes ago
As for the manager, there has to come a point where people realise the problems are bigger than any manager can fix.
I think ETH could do the job but the club needs to change first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most United supporters (on here) understand this.
No manager was ever going to succeed under the structure that the Glazers have expected all the post Fergie managers to operate under. Now with INEOS moving in and taking control of sporting matters we should expect things to start to change for the better.
However ETH is still lucky not to be sacked already. Losing 0-7 to Liverpool is inexcusable... he deserved the boot for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were actually in a good place going into that game and the result was out of the blue. It was also a bit of a fresh result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a terrible result.
Especially from where I come from.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If terrible results were a sacking offence then yes he should have been sacked for that one.
However I suspect you are doing a bit of leg pulling here because it would have been utterly stupid to sack him then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would have been.
But no United fan has ever actually thought that one day United would get beat 7-0 by Liverpool. Even when we have been in much worse positions. Its never been a real thinkable posibility in the history of the club. And this was also on the back of shipping 6 against City at Old Trafford earlier in the season. And thats another story, although that has happened before.
posted on 12/2/24
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
posted on 12/2/24
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 5 minutes ago
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
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I think quite a lot United of fans are.
I think many are hoping to see things improve via INEOS not ETH.
posted on 12/2/24
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 30 minutes ago
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
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Not all the fans are sitting on the fence, only the village idiots
posted on 12/2/24
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (#EthIn) (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 30 minutes ago
So if you decode this the OP is basically sitting on the fence where ETH is concerned! Sorry 1
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Not all the fans are sitting on the fence, only the village idiots
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why dont you stop chucking insults in everything you post and just discuss stuff?
posted on 12/2/24
Pellestri!!!
posted on 12/2/24
Like most of the squad, ETH has the rest of the season with somewhat of a clean slate to earn his place next season. Whilst this season has been pretty miserable, I think there's enough mitigation to look at last season and not think this season is the norm.
He's a good coach, clearly. It may be that United isn't the place for him to be but if we part ways in the summer then I expect him to go and do a decent job somewhere else.
Pretty much the whole squad is on audition now and I think there's only really a handful of people I'd have as dead certs to be a part of the first team next season but I'll give pretty much all of them a clean slate for the second half of the season.
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