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But if hes facked up big time yeah, fair play we got lucky and for once when it comes to this guy with a history of huge fack ups against us its about time one went for us.
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Oh stop lying. It’s getting embarrassing.
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its not lying is it? and its been pointed out to u many a time in great detail its all there footage any everything lol. just cause u choose to disagree with it doesnt change the facts
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That ‘great detail’ has been pulled apart and shown to be utter nonsense. Just the ramblings of a biased fan.
You lost a few games in a bad run with him as referee and there are a few decisions you disagree with.
That’s it.
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no it hasnt u do live in cloud cuckoo land dont you.
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comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
Clattenberg is comedy.
‘They wouldn’t let me into see them’
As if he didn’t know that’s the rules ffs.
He’s trying to make some sort of weird PR campaign around hard done by Forest, and most people are just laughing at him.
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Well yes, he's employed by them to do that.
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That’s not quite how the club would put it.
I predict he’ll be gone within the year.
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I actually think he's a top referee but obviously he's getting paid more in his other roles. Shame for the English game he's not in there.
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Let’s be honest, given all the crap that comes with the job, I think most of us would happily take a well paid alternative rather than continuing that job for any longer than necessary.
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Agree. However they need to therefore do more to keep the best happy. If that means paying the best significantly more then that's what has to happen.
I actually like what Webb is trying to do but he's only as good as the referees under him and some of then are not up to standard.
That Australian guy for example is simply not good enough. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes by why are there so many Manchester referees and why are the majority of Liverpool games refereed by one? We've had this conversation before and even if I'm wrong and there is no bias, it's still a conflict of interest for me, so why not just remove the doubt? The reason is simple, the best referees are not getting a shot. There has to be good talent, they're not finding, nurturing and when established keeping them. The money in football is ridiculous. Pay more for referees and pay more for funding them. No point whining about them, whilst paying one player, in one week, more than their annual salary.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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The Forest player went flying in with his studs head height. Yes or no?
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posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
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posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
Clattenberg is comedy.
‘They wouldn’t let me into see them’
As if he didn’t know that’s the rules ffs.
He’s trying to make some sort of weird PR campaign around hard done by Forest, and most people are just laughing at him.
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Well yes, he's employed by them to do that.
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That’s not quite how the club would put it.
I predict he’ll be gone within the year.
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I actually think he's a top referee but obviously he's getting paid more in his other roles. Shame for the English game he's not in there.
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Let’s be honest, given all the crap that comes with the job, I think most of us would happily take a well paid alternative rather than continuing that job for any longer than necessary.
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Agree. However they need to therefore do more to keep the best happy. If that means paying the best significantly more then that's what has to happen.
I actually like what Webb is trying to do but he's only as good as the referees under him and some of then are not up to standard.
That Australian guy for example is simply not good enough. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes by why are there so many Manchester referees and why are the majority of Liverpool games refereed by one? We've had this conversation before and even if I'm wrong and there is no bias, it's still a conflict of interest for me, so why not just remove the doubt? The reason is simple, the best referees are not getting a shot. There has to be good talent, they're not finding, nurturing and when established keeping them. The money in football is ridiculous. Pay more for referees and pay more for funding them. No point whining about them, whilst paying one player, in one week, more than their annual salary.
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No amount of money will fix the unrealistic expectations of all involved, the lack of willingness to accept subjectivity and the sheer scale of cheating in the game.
Referees are not the problem imo. Probably worth a separate thread though!
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
But if hes facked up big time yeah, fair play we got lucky and for once when it comes to this guy with a history of huge fack ups against us its about time one went for us.
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Oh stop lying. It’s getting embarrassing.
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its not lying is it? and its been pointed out to u many a time in great detail its all there footage any everything lol. just cause u choose to disagree with it doesnt change the facts
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That ‘great detail’ has been pulled apart and shown to be utter nonsense. Just the ramblings of a biased fan.
You lost a few games in a bad run with him as referee and there are a few decisions you disagree with.
That’s it.
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no it hasntu do live in cloud cuckoo land dont you.
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It has.
I’ll happily do it again for you.
It’s all on the Tierney thread.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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The Forest player went flying in with his studs head height. Yes or no?
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When?
An hour earlier.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
But if hes facked up big time yeah, fair play we got lucky and for once when it comes to this guy with a history of huge fack ups against us its about time one went for us.
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Oh stop lying. It’s getting embarrassing.
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its not lying is it? and its been pointed out to u many a time in great detail its all there footage any everything lol. just cause u choose to disagree with it doesnt change the facts
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That ‘great detail’ has been pulled apart and shown to be utter nonsense. Just the ramblings of a biased fan.
You lost a few games in a bad run with him as referee and there are a few decisions you disagree with.
That’s it.
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I saw some of that debate and there was some absolute nonsense being spouted, from both sides, first of all from the article claiming win percentage etc. As I said earlier you can win with a biased ref and lose with a ref in your favour. The win/lose percentage doesn't show anything. You have to actually go into every decision.
I'll of course be accused of bias but again today, every decision close to 50/50 went to Forest and that includes even blatant throw ins which should have went for Liverpool. I'm talking about the throw ins in the refs side of course.
My theory is simply, he loves winding Klopp up as he bites. It's actually a shame as he's not biting as much this season or being as crazy when something big goes for us, which shows he's right, it's time for him to take a time out.
yeah and the videos and stats are all there of the numerous decisions hes made that have cost us big time. far more than this one today may have benefitted us. as i said hes cost us far more than most refs have and still has a long way to go before itd balance out. the evidence is all there you can cry all you want but until you go and find evidence that hes made just as many shockers in OUR favour how can you sit there saying we are lying? lol give your head a wobble. You get presented with facts and evidence provide none of your own but claim to be right
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
Clattenberg is comedy.
‘They wouldn’t let me into see them’
As if he didn’t know that’s the rules ffs.
He’s trying to make some sort of weird PR campaign around hard done by Forest, and most people are just laughing at him.
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Well yes, he's employed by them to do that.
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That’s not quite how the club would put it.
I predict he’ll be gone within the year.
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I actually think he's a top referee but obviously he's getting paid more in his other roles. Shame for the English game he's not in there.
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Let’s be honest, given all the crap that comes with the job, I think most of us would happily take a well paid alternative rather than continuing that job for any longer than necessary.
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Agree. However they need to therefore do more to keep the best happy. If that means paying the best significantly more then that's what has to happen.
I actually like what Webb is trying to do but he's only as good as the referees under him and some of then are not up to standard.
That Australian guy for example is simply not good enough. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes by why are there so many Manchester referees and why are the majority of Liverpool games refereed by one? We've had this conversation before and even if I'm wrong and there is no bias, it's still a conflict of interest for me, so why not just remove the doubt? The reason is simple, the best referees are not getting a shot. There has to be good talent, they're not finding, nurturing and when established keeping them. The money in football is ridiculous. Pay more for referees and pay more for funding them. No point whining about them, whilst paying one player, in one week, more than their annual salary.
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No amount of money will fix the unrealistic expectations of all involved, the lack of willingness to accept subjectivity and the sheer scale of cheating in the game.
Referees are not the problem imo. Probably worth a separate thread though!
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Well yes I completely agree you're never going to solve biased fans opinions but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about getting the best involved and when involved keeping them. Clatenburg was one of the best, fans of course will say differently but he was. They should have made sure he stayed.
the player did go in with his studs up, but you can see from this photo here that the main problem was the gk was ducking into his boot:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/851996_1.jpg
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comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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The Forest player went flying in with his studs head height. Yes or no?
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When?
An hour earlier.
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Err, seconds before the referee blew his whistle. I understand the argument and agree with it, since those are the rules but I'm looking for a little bit of acceptance from rival fans. Is it a foul when a player comes flying in, studs first, head height and then multiple collisions occur, even if said collisions were between the defending teams' goalkeeper and defender(which I still dispute but let's leave opinion out).
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
the player did go in with his studs up, but you can see from this photo here that the main problem was the gk was ducking into his boot:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/851996_1.jpg
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That one still annoys me. That angle is of course cut and dry but in real time Mane was trying to take the ball down and the keeper came bombing in, head first .
Although I can now accept, according to the laws of the game, despite it not being Mane's fault, it was a red.
I would put it just below the Nani red in the CL. Same deal however.
he did fly in dangerously, fortunattely a bit late and didnt make much contact tbf. But we dno what Tierney saw, he could have wanted to blow instantly but wanted a lil time to think about it which refs are allowed? in that case surely you have to trust the refs decision?
As i said plays often pulled back far from where the ball is and regardless of who has possession at the time. I dont see why head injury decision would be any different, its still the refs call to make surely?
But if its right and the PGMOL come out with an apology then we'll know we got away with one. Sure theres 2 mins between it and the goal and Forest should clear it they had two chances to and cant fully put the blame to that decision but its definitely played its part.
I dunno if there wasn't much contact. Looked like contact to me and that contact looked to have cause a three way collision which put Liverpool at a disadvantage, due to him flying in with his studs in the air. Foul all day long. Not even up for debate for me.
I accept the drop ball debate, if he did give it for a drop ball and not a foul but then it shouldn't have come to that anyhow.
Therefore as I said before, if that was the case, two wrongs made a right. All good then?
I'll show it again for those interested.
https://youtu.be/yxXRhV819uE?si=DVdE-fC9whthL8Ei
PGMOL will apologise and just like they did with Simon Hooper after the City game against Spurs.
He'll be refereeing a PL game again next weekend.
Hopefully not at Anfield.
Well Liverpool have already had two apologies this season and then the admission from Webb that the Odegaard handball should have been a penalty. So count yourself lucky for the poor decisions.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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We had a player dragged down in the box first and both was given. Same thing happened to Forest minutes later. Both should probably have been pens.
Even Clattenburg has pointed out that Tierney gave the ball to Forest instead of Liverpool in the first half when a Forest player went down with a head injury. He did it again second half. Perhaps Tierney doesn't understand the rules as he is consistent in failing to apply them correctly, which would be amazing if true.
Also, nearly two minutes passed between the decision and the goal. It's not like we scored straight from it.
So few details that have been skipped here.
Tierney did the exact same thing for Forest earlier in the match by giving them the drop ball when we had possession.
Danns was rugby tackled in the box by a Forest defender and no penalty was given. Both sides should have had a penalty and didn’t.
So quite frankly it evened itself out.
Forest had possession twice between the drop ball for us and our goal ffs
It was a bad game of football made worse by endless diving, feigning injury and timewasting from the home team. Glad it’s over, hope Forest get relegated back to where they belong.
Danns was rugby tackled in the box by a Forest defender and no penalty was given. Both sides should have had a penalty and didn’t.
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If Danns gets the pen then everything changes and we wouldn't be having this conversation. We probably go on to win 0-3.
Weird game though, with events mirroring each other
“I’ll of course be accused of bias but again today, every decision close to 50/50 went to Forest and that includes even blatant throw ins which should have went for Liverpool. I'm talking about the throw ins in the refs side of course.
My theory is simply, he loves winding Klopp up as he bites. It's actually a shame as he's not biting as much this season or being as crazy when something big goes for us, which shows he's right, it's time for him to take a time out. “
TOOR, you sound absolutely ridiculous.
At least with the Tomkins stuff, we can pull the data apart and prove our point.
Your stuff is just complete delusion. Utter fantasy stuff.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 7 hours, 59 minutes ago
yeah and the videos and stats are all there of the numerous decisions hes made that have cost us big time. far more than this one today may have benefitted us. as i said hes cost us far more than most refs have and still has a long way to go before itd balance out. the evidence is all there you can cry all you want but until you go and find evidence that hes made just as many shockers in OUR favour how can you sit there saying we are lying? lol give your head a wobble. You get presented with facts and evidence provide none of your own but claim to be right
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There’s nothing there apart from a few decisions you disagree with.
I provided plenty of facts to back up my point:
This conspiracy theory is baseless, not to mention childish in the extreme.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
PGMOL will apologise and just like they did with Simon Hooper after the City game against Spurs.
He'll be refereeing a PL game again next weekend.
Hopefully not at Anfield.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
But if hes facked up big time yeah, fair play we got lucky and for once when it comes to this guy with a history of huge fack ups against us its about time one went for us.
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Oh stop lying. It’s getting embarrassing.
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its not lying is it? and its been pointed out to u many a time in great detail its all there footage any everything lol. just cause u choose to disagree with it doesnt change the facts
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That ‘great detail’ has been pulled apart and shown to be utter nonsense. Just the ramblings of a biased fan.
You lost a few games in a bad run with him as referee and there are a few decisions you disagree with.
That’s it.
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no it hasnt u do live in cloud cuckoo land dont you.
posted on 2/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
Clattenberg is comedy.
‘They wouldn’t let me into see them’
As if he didn’t know that’s the rules ffs.
He’s trying to make some sort of weird PR campaign around hard done by Forest, and most people are just laughing at him.
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Well yes, he's employed by them to do that.
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That’s not quite how the club would put it.
I predict he’ll be gone within the year.
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I actually think he's a top referee but obviously he's getting paid more in his other roles. Shame for the English game he's not in there.
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Let’s be honest, given all the crap that comes with the job, I think most of us would happily take a well paid alternative rather than continuing that job for any longer than necessary.
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Agree. However they need to therefore do more to keep the best happy. If that means paying the best significantly more then that's what has to happen.
I actually like what Webb is trying to do but he's only as good as the referees under him and some of then are not up to standard.
That Australian guy for example is simply not good enough. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes by why are there so many Manchester referees and why are the majority of Liverpool games refereed by one? We've had this conversation before and even if I'm wrong and there is no bias, it's still a conflict of interest for me, so why not just remove the doubt? The reason is simple, the best referees are not getting a shot. There has to be good talent, they're not finding, nurturing and when established keeping them. The money in football is ridiculous. Pay more for referees and pay more for funding them. No point whining about them, whilst paying one player, in one week, more than their annual salary.
posted on 2/3/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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The Forest player went flying in with his studs head height. Yes or no?
posted on 2/3/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
Clattenberg is comedy.
‘They wouldn’t let me into see them’
As if he didn’t know that’s the rules ffs.
He’s trying to make some sort of weird PR campaign around hard done by Forest, and most people are just laughing at him.
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Well yes, he's employed by them to do that.
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That’s not quite how the club would put it.
I predict he’ll be gone within the year.
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I actually think he's a top referee but obviously he's getting paid more in his other roles. Shame for the English game he's not in there.
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Let’s be honest, given all the crap that comes with the job, I think most of us would happily take a well paid alternative rather than continuing that job for any longer than necessary.
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Agree. However they need to therefore do more to keep the best happy. If that means paying the best significantly more then that's what has to happen.
I actually like what Webb is trying to do but he's only as good as the referees under him and some of then are not up to standard.
That Australian guy for example is simply not good enough. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes by why are there so many Manchester referees and why are the majority of Liverpool games refereed by one? We've had this conversation before and even if I'm wrong and there is no bias, it's still a conflict of interest for me, so why not just remove the doubt? The reason is simple, the best referees are not getting a shot. There has to be good talent, they're not finding, nurturing and when established keeping them. The money in football is ridiculous. Pay more for referees and pay more for funding them. No point whining about them, whilst paying one player, in one week, more than their annual salary.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No amount of money will fix the unrealistic expectations of all involved, the lack of willingness to accept subjectivity and the sheer scale of cheating in the game.
Referees are not the problem imo. Probably worth a separate thread though!
posted on 2/3/24
comment by InBefore (U20589)
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But if hes facked up big time yeah, fair play we got lucky and for once when it comes to this guy with a history of huge fack ups against us its about time one went for us.
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Oh stop lying. It’s getting embarrassing.
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its not lying is it? and its been pointed out to u many a time in great detail its all there footage any everything lol. just cause u choose to disagree with it doesnt change the facts
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That ‘great detail’ has been pulled apart and shown to be utter nonsense. Just the ramblings of a biased fan.
You lost a few games in a bad run with him as referee and there are a few decisions you disagree with.
That’s it.
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no it hasntu do live in cloud cuckoo land dont you.
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It has.
I’ll happily do it again for you.
It’s all on the Tierney thread.
posted on 2/3/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
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“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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The Forest player went flying in with his studs head height. Yes or no?
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When?
An hour earlier.
posted on 2/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
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But if hes facked up big time yeah, fair play we got lucky and for once when it comes to this guy with a history of huge fack ups against us its about time one went for us.
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Oh stop lying. It’s getting embarrassing.
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its not lying is it? and its been pointed out to u many a time in great detail its all there footage any everything lol. just cause u choose to disagree with it doesnt change the facts
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That ‘great detail’ has been pulled apart and shown to be utter nonsense. Just the ramblings of a biased fan.
You lost a few games in a bad run with him as referee and there are a few decisions you disagree with.
That’s it.
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I saw some of that debate and there was some absolute nonsense being spouted, from both sides, first of all from the article claiming win percentage etc. As I said earlier you can win with a biased ref and lose with a ref in your favour. The win/lose percentage doesn't show anything. You have to actually go into every decision.
I'll of course be accused of bias but again today, every decision close to 50/50 went to Forest and that includes even blatant throw ins which should have went for Liverpool. I'm talking about the throw ins in the refs side of course.
My theory is simply, he loves winding Klopp up as he bites. It's actually a shame as he's not biting as much this season or being as crazy when something big goes for us, which shows he's right, it's time for him to take a time out.
posted on 2/3/24
yeah and the videos and stats are all there of the numerous decisions hes made that have cost us big time. far more than this one today may have benefitted us. as i said hes cost us far more than most refs have and still has a long way to go before itd balance out. the evidence is all there you can cry all you want but until you go and find evidence that hes made just as many shockers in OUR favour how can you sit there saying we are lying? lol give your head a wobble. You get presented with facts and evidence provide none of your own but claim to be right
posted on 2/3/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
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Clattenberg is comedy.
‘They wouldn’t let me into see them’
As if he didn’t know that’s the rules ffs.
He’s trying to make some sort of weird PR campaign around hard done by Forest, and most people are just laughing at him.
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Well yes, he's employed by them to do that.
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That’s not quite how the club would put it.
I predict he’ll be gone within the year.
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I actually think he's a top referee but obviously he's getting paid more in his other roles. Shame for the English game he's not in there.
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Let’s be honest, given all the crap that comes with the job, I think most of us would happily take a well paid alternative rather than continuing that job for any longer than necessary.
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Agree. However they need to therefore do more to keep the best happy. If that means paying the best significantly more then that's what has to happen.
I actually like what Webb is trying to do but he's only as good as the referees under him and some of then are not up to standard.
That Australian guy for example is simply not good enough. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes by why are there so many Manchester referees and why are the majority of Liverpool games refereed by one? We've had this conversation before and even if I'm wrong and there is no bias, it's still a conflict of interest for me, so why not just remove the doubt? The reason is simple, the best referees are not getting a shot. There has to be good talent, they're not finding, nurturing and when established keeping them. The money in football is ridiculous. Pay more for referees and pay more for funding them. No point whining about them, whilst paying one player, in one week, more than their annual salary.
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No amount of money will fix the unrealistic expectations of all involved, the lack of willingness to accept subjectivity and the sheer scale of cheating in the game.
Referees are not the problem imo. Probably worth a separate thread though!
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Well yes I completely agree you're never going to solve biased fans opinions but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about getting the best involved and when involved keeping them. Clatenburg was one of the best, fans of course will say differently but he was. They should have made sure he stayed.
posted on 2/3/24
the player did go in with his studs up, but you can see from this photo here that the main problem was the gk was ducking into his boot:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/851996_1.jpg
posted on 2/3/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
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comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
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“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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The Forest player went flying in with his studs head height. Yes or no?
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When?
An hour earlier.
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Err, seconds before the referee blew his whistle. I understand the argument and agree with it, since those are the rules but I'm looking for a little bit of acceptance from rival fans. Is it a foul when a player comes flying in, studs first, head height and then multiple collisions occur, even if said collisions were between the defending teams' goalkeeper and defender(which I still dispute but let's leave opinion out).
posted on 2/3/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
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the player did go in with his studs up, but you can see from this photo here that the main problem was the gk was ducking into his boot:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/851996_1.jpg
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That one still annoys me. That angle is of course cut and dry but in real time Mane was trying to take the ball down and the keeper came bombing in, head first .
Although I can now accept, according to the laws of the game, despite it not being Mane's fault, it was a red.
posted on 2/3/24
I would put it just below the Nani red in the CL. Same deal however.
posted on 2/3/24
he did fly in dangerously, fortunattely a bit late and didnt make much contact tbf. But we dno what Tierney saw, he could have wanted to blow instantly but wanted a lil time to think about it which refs are allowed? in that case surely you have to trust the refs decision?
As i said plays often pulled back far from where the ball is and regardless of who has possession at the time. I dont see why head injury decision would be any different, its still the refs call to make surely?
But if its right and the PGMOL come out with an apology then we'll know we got away with one. Sure theres 2 mins between it and the goal and Forest should clear it they had two chances to and cant fully put the blame to that decision but its definitely played its part.
posted on 2/3/24
I dunno if there wasn't much contact. Looked like contact to me and that contact looked to have cause a three way collision which put Liverpool at a disadvantage, due to him flying in with his studs in the air. Foul all day long. Not even up for debate for me.
I accept the drop ball debate, if he did give it for a drop ball and not a foul but then it shouldn't have come to that anyhow.
Therefore as I said before, if that was the case, two wrongs made a right. All good then?
posted on 2/3/24
I'll show it again for those interested.
https://youtu.be/yxXRhV819uE?si=DVdE-fC9whthL8Ei
posted on 3/3/24
PGMOL will apologise and just like they did with Simon Hooper after the City game against Spurs.
He'll be refereeing a PL game again next weekend.
Hopefully not at Anfield.
posted on 3/3/24
Well Liverpool have already had two apologies this season and then the admission from Webb that the Odegaard handball should have been a penalty. So count yourself lucky for the poor decisions.
posted on 3/3/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
“The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
*the ball was in the penalty area or
*the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.”
Looking at above it's a bit strange. So if the referee stops it when the head 'injury' occurs, it's Liverpool's ball but if he waits until Forest obtain possession, it's their ball?
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Forest had the ball out on the wing when the Liverpool players told the ref that Konate was down and that's when he blew the whistle.
The game should have restarted with Forest possesion and an uncontested dropped ball in the same spot.
Those are the rules.
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The rules are also if a player goes flying in with studs showing at head height it's a foul.
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Konate was clattered by your goalkeeper, there wasn't a Forest player near him, that was just after a Forest player was dragged to the ground by one of your defenders.
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We had a player dragged down in the box first and both was given. Same thing happened to Forest minutes later. Both should probably have been pens.
Even Clattenburg has pointed out that Tierney gave the ball to Forest instead of Liverpool in the first half when a Forest player went down with a head injury. He did it again second half. Perhaps Tierney doesn't understand the rules as he is consistent in failing to apply them correctly, which would be amazing if true.
posted on 3/3/24
Also, nearly two minutes passed between the decision and the goal. It's not like we scored straight from it.
posted on 3/3/24
So few details that have been skipped here.
Tierney did the exact same thing for Forest earlier in the match by giving them the drop ball when we had possession.
Danns was rugby tackled in the box by a Forest defender and no penalty was given. Both sides should have had a penalty and didn’t.
So quite frankly it evened itself out.
Forest had possession twice between the drop ball for us and our goal ffs
It was a bad game of football made worse by endless diving, feigning injury and timewasting from the home team. Glad it’s over, hope Forest get relegated back to where they belong.
posted on 3/3/24
Danns was rugby tackled in the box by a Forest defender and no penalty was given. Both sides should have had a penalty and didn’t.
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If Danns gets the pen then everything changes and we wouldn't be having this conversation. We probably go on to win 0-3.
Weird game though, with events mirroring each other
posted on 3/3/24
“I’ll of course be accused of bias but again today, every decision close to 50/50 went to Forest and that includes even blatant throw ins which should have went for Liverpool. I'm talking about the throw ins in the refs side of course.
My theory is simply, he loves winding Klopp up as he bites. It's actually a shame as he's not biting as much this season or being as crazy when something big goes for us, which shows he's right, it's time for him to take a time out. “
TOOR, you sound absolutely ridiculous.
At least with the Tomkins stuff, we can pull the data apart and prove our point.
Your stuff is just complete delusion. Utter fantasy stuff.
posted on 3/3/24
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 7 hours, 59 minutes ago
yeah and the videos and stats are all there of the numerous decisions hes made that have cost us big time. far more than this one today may have benefitted us. as i said hes cost us far more than most refs have and still has a long way to go before itd balance out. the evidence is all there you can cry all you want but until you go and find evidence that hes made just as many shockers in OUR favour how can you sit there saying we are lying? lol give your head a wobble. You get presented with facts and evidence provide none of your own but claim to be right
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There’s nothing there apart from a few decisions you disagree with.
I provided plenty of facts to back up my point:
This conspiracy theory is baseless, not to mention childish in the extreme.
posted on 3/3/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
PGMOL will apologise and just like they did with Simon Hooper after the City game against Spurs.
He'll be refereeing a PL game again next weekend.
Hopefully not at Anfield.
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Do you react in the same way when the bad decisions go against Liverpool?
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