Boring answer, but the best candidate is the one who is the best fit with the philosophy our new sporting leadership decides to adopt. There are probably 20 managers out there who could potentially be very successful at Manchester United. The task isn't to figure out 'who is the best one?' but ensuring that the coach is completely aligned culturally, tactically and in terms of whether we're slowly building a young side or stacking the team with experienced players and looking to win trophies ASAP.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
If we get De Zerbi it's going to take some time to have a team in place that is able to play the way he likes.
That's the big downfall. You just don't get time at this club like you don't at Madrid, Barca, Bayern. You have to come in and succeed (relative to the season goals) immediately.
I definitely wouldn't be unhappy with De Zerbi though. Brighton absolutely play us off the park regularly.
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De Zerbi would be a disaster with this squad.
Imagine him trying to play out the back with the likes of AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Verane, Casemiro, Dalot, Rashford, Bruno.
The only players who could play in such a way are Onana, Martinez (never fit), Shaw (never fit) and Mainoo.
The rest crumble under any kind of pressure or are simply incapable of keeping the ball.
Not to mention the forward lines lack of movement and technical ability.
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Maybe, but that's not really the way we should be approaching our next appointment. Regardless of who is the manager, we're never going to get anywhere near the top with a backline who can't play out, players who can't keep the ball under pressure and a forward line who lack movement and technical ability.
At this point, we need to identify the manager we want first and get the players who fit second. Otherwise top 4 is always going to be our ceiling.
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That's where I disagree. The footballing directors need to decide what their vision is, and recruit accordingly.
The manage is a part of that, but more important is the scouts, the youth development and player recruitment.
I've said a number of times, the next manager won't last, because it'll either be a stop gap manager to get results with this squad or it'll be a manager who can't get the squad to play how he wants.
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It sounds like we're agreeing then...
Russian
Agreed, which is why I reckon we’ll keep EtH until we are in a position to know what we want which we currently don’t.
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
The football may not be the best but Diego Simeone.
He will sort out the clowns in the club and get them playing for the shirt and having the right attitude.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 36 minutes ago
Boring answer, but the best candidate is the one who is the best fit with the philosophy our new sporting leadership decides to adopt. There are probably 20 managers out there who could potentially be very successful at Manchester United. The task isn't to figure out 'who is the best one?' but ensuring that the coach is completely aligned culturally, tactically and in terms of whether we're slowly building a young side or stacking the team with experienced players and looking to win trophies ASAP.
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20 😄
What, and we have just failed.to get 1 of them upto now?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 35 minutes ago
Boring answer, but the best candidate is the one who is the best fit with the philosophy our new sporting leadership decides to adopt. There are probably 20 managers out there who could potentially be very successful at Manchester United. The task isn't to figure out 'who is the best one?' but ensuring that the coach is completely aligned culturally, tactically and in terms of whether we're slowly building a young side or stacking the team with experienced players and looking to win trophies ASAP.
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Regarding your last point, I think a mix would be best
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posted 9 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Which is probably why nobody (who Ineos wants) wants to be that man.
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posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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I am not privy to inside information nor can I second guess a billionaire who is at the very formative stage of putting a structure in place.
As I explained ETH will be at Utd for the reasons outlined, what don't you understand my dearest friend?!
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posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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85
I fear he might well be kept on if the man/men they do want, doesnt want the job. Yet.
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posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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85
I fear he might well be kept on if the man/men they do want, doesnt want the job. Yet.
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Ps Id sack him today.
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posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
There will be 4/5 names on the list and I'd be amazed if they all don't want the job.
Sticking with this guy is just not going to happen. His football is crap, his tactics are farcical and his management of the players is questionable.
If you're investing £1.5 - 2bn you're not keeping a lame duck manager in place.
As I have been saying for months.....the reason he didn't get the boot at Christmas was because of the takeover delays. That's all that's saved him.
I don't know who the next man will be but I'm positive ETH will be leaving in just over a month's time. He's had enough time now to have us looking like an average team at worst and we are way way worse than that.
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posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
There is too much to fix in 1 Summer.
I'd retain ETH for another season whilst the football people decide what we want to he and how we do it.
This window I can see the emphasis being on young players, who any incoming coach would be happy to have as part of the squad.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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I am not privy to inside information nor can I second guess a billionaire who is at the very formative stage of putting a structure in place.
As I explained ETH will be at Utd for the reasons outlined, what don't you understand my dearest friend?!
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You would be have to be privy to Jim to be sure with your confident predictions. Like your explanations are enough.
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Which is probably why nobody (who Ineos wants) wants to be that man.
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Wouldnt INEOS identifying and sounding put new managers defeat the purpose of appointing Berrada, Ashworth, and Wilcox?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
There will be 4/5 names on the list and I'd be amazed if they all don't want the job.
Sticking with this guy is just not going to happen. His football is crap, his tactics are farcical and his management of the players is questionable.
If you're investing £1.5 - 2bn you're not keeping a lame duck manager in place.
As I have been saying for months.....the reason he didn't get the boot at Christmas was because of the takeover delays. That's all that's saved him.
I don't know who the next man will be but I'm positive ETH will be leaving in just over a month's time. He's had enough time now to have us looking like an average team at worst and we are way way worse than that.
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You fail to see the bigger picture yet again.
This is not a project that will see all our ills disappear overnight, Jim knows that, that's why he's gone on record to say it's a long term project which includes major additional investment into a new stadium (or refurb of the current stadium). The footballing structure comes first then the coach. If the structure is not in place the coach cannot go. Even if the structure is in place the new DoF will have to assess whether the squad is fit for purpose, if it is then assess what milestones ETH has achieved to date and what else can be accomplished down the line.
If ETH's philosophy is not closely aligned with the new structure ETH will be gone, matter of time. If his philosophy is closely aligned then he'll stay. The squad will therefore need overhauling to ensure the closely aligned philosophies deliver!
I am sorry to disappoint you, SE85, this club, project, mess is not straightforward and requires a nuanced approach. The surgery is far more tricky than meets the eye.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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I'm fairly sure it wasn't Arnold and Murtough who identified Antony and Onana though. Overpaid for sure but they definitely didn't identify them.
You're the most delusional person on here. The excuses don't make sense either. He gets no blame for the things that don't work and all the praise for the things that have? 😂
We are heading for our worst ever PL campaign. Good riddance to him I say. The job is way too big for him.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 54 minutes ago
Russian
Agreed, which is why I reckon we’ll keep EtH until we are in a position to know what we want which we currently don’t.
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I think at this point ETH probably deserves the boot, but we need to be pragmatic about what course of action involves the smoothest transition to the next manager. Are we better off with an interim coach who steadies the metaphorical ship and guides it in the direction of the kind of football we are moving toward, while we fine tune the masterplan? Or do we take the view that two changes creates more disruption than one change? I have no idea.
Annoyingly it does look like EtH has quite a big say on transfers, I’m sure I’ve read he even requested it when we originally spoke to him. Hopefully moving forward we can bring in someone who’s on board having a DoF who sorts out the transfers and leaves the manager to coaching the squad.
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posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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I'm fairly sure it wasn't Arnold and Murtough who identified Antony and Onana though. Overpaid for sure but they definitely didn't identify them.
You're the most delusional person on here. The excuses don't make sense either. He gets no blame for the things that don't work and all the praise for the things that have? 😂
We are heading for our worst ever PL campaign. Good riddance to him I say. The job is way too big for him.
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I am delusional at all, just pragmatic.
So, why did a club who hired a coach lean on him to make transfer decisions?! Surely, that's on the club.
What type of philosophy do the Glazers have, shared by Edward Woodward, Arnold et al? Just waste and chaos! No wonder ETH went on to say this squad can't play the way he wants to play football!
With £400m we should have a fairly decent team now. And before anyone jumps the gun....I don't mean one that should be taking the title off Pep but we shouldn't be getting battered by every single team we play either.
He's had enough time and money now for the vision to be clear. It's not clear. We aren't any better than under Ole.
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posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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I'm fairly sure it wasn't Arnold and Murtough who identified Antony and Onana though. Overpaid for sure but they definitely didn't identify them.
You're the most delusional person on here. The excuses don't make sense either. He gets no blame for the things that don't work and all the praise for the things that have? 😂
We are heading for our worst ever PL campaign. Good riddance to him I say. The job is way too big for him.
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I am delusional at all, just pragmatic.
So, why did a club who hired a coach lean on him to make transfer decisions?! Surely, that's on the club.
What type of philosophy do the Glazers have, shared by Edward Woodward, Arnold et al? Just waste and chaos! No wonder ETH went on to say this squad can't play the way he wants to play football!
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posted on 16/4/24
Boring answer, but the best candidate is the one who is the best fit with the philosophy our new sporting leadership decides to adopt. There are probably 20 managers out there who could potentially be very successful at Manchester United. The task isn't to figure out 'who is the best one?' but ensuring that the coach is completely aligned culturally, tactically and in terms of whether we're slowly building a young side or stacking the team with experienced players and looking to win trophies ASAP.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
If we get De Zerbi it's going to take some time to have a team in place that is able to play the way he likes.
That's the big downfall. You just don't get time at this club like you don't at Madrid, Barca, Bayern. You have to come in and succeed (relative to the season goals) immediately.
I definitely wouldn't be unhappy with De Zerbi though. Brighton absolutely play us off the park regularly.
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De Zerbi would be a disaster with this squad.
Imagine him trying to play out the back with the likes of AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Verane, Casemiro, Dalot, Rashford, Bruno.
The only players who could play in such a way are Onana, Martinez (never fit), Shaw (never fit) and Mainoo.
The rest crumble under any kind of pressure or are simply incapable of keeping the ball.
Not to mention the forward lines lack of movement and technical ability.
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Maybe, but that's not really the way we should be approaching our next appointment. Regardless of who is the manager, we're never going to get anywhere near the top with a backline who can't play out, players who can't keep the ball under pressure and a forward line who lack movement and technical ability.
At this point, we need to identify the manager we want first and get the players who fit second. Otherwise top 4 is always going to be our ceiling.
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That's where I disagree. The footballing directors need to decide what their vision is, and recruit accordingly.
The manage is a part of that, but more important is the scouts, the youth development and player recruitment.
I've said a number of times, the next manager won't last, because it'll either be a stop gap manager to get results with this squad or it'll be a manager who can't get the squad to play how he wants.
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It sounds like we're agreeing then...
posted on 16/4/24
Russian
Agreed, which is why I reckon we’ll keep EtH until we are in a position to know what we want which we currently don’t.
posted on 16/4/24
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
posted on 16/4/24
The football may not be the best but Diego Simeone.
He will sort out the clowns in the club and get them playing for the shirt and having the right attitude.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 36 minutes ago
Boring answer, but the best candidate is the one who is the best fit with the philosophy our new sporting leadership decides to adopt. There are probably 20 managers out there who could potentially be very successful at Manchester United. The task isn't to figure out 'who is the best one?' but ensuring that the coach is completely aligned culturally, tactically and in terms of whether we're slowly building a young side or stacking the team with experienced players and looking to win trophies ASAP.
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20 😄
What, and we have just failed.to get 1 of them upto now?
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 35 minutes ago
Boring answer, but the best candidate is the one who is the best fit with the philosophy our new sporting leadership decides to adopt. There are probably 20 managers out there who could potentially be very successful at Manchester United. The task isn't to figure out 'who is the best one?' but ensuring that the coach is completely aligned culturally, tactically and in terms of whether we're slowly building a young side or stacking the team with experienced players and looking to win trophies ASAP.
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Regarding your last point, I think a mix would be best
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Which is probably why nobody (who Ineos wants) wants to be that man.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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I am not privy to inside information nor can I second guess a billionaire who is at the very formative stage of putting a structure in place.
As I explained ETH will be at Utd for the reasons outlined, what don't you understand my dearest friend?!
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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85
I fear he might well be kept on if the man/men they do want, doesnt want the job. Yet.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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85
I fear he might well be kept on if the man/men they do want, doesnt want the job. Yet.
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Ps Id sack him today.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
posted on 16/4/24
There will be 4/5 names on the list and I'd be amazed if they all don't want the job.
Sticking with this guy is just not going to happen. His football is crap, his tactics are farcical and his management of the players is questionable.
If you're investing £1.5 - 2bn you're not keeping a lame duck manager in place.
As I have been saying for months.....the reason he didn't get the boot at Christmas was because of the takeover delays. That's all that's saved him.
I don't know who the next man will be but I'm positive ETH will be leaving in just over a month's time. He's had enough time now to have us looking like an average team at worst and we are way way worse than that.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
posted on 16/4/24
There is too much to fix in 1 Summer.
I'd retain ETH for another season whilst the football people decide what we want to he and how we do it.
This window I can see the emphasis being on young players, who any incoming coach would be happy to have as part of the squad.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 13 minutes ago
The next coach as opposed to manager will be determined by the new DoF and CEO, both on gardening leave until the summer, the DoF may be on leave for longer.
There won't be a change of coach for next season, whether we like it or not.
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Still clinging on I see? 😂
He's not going to be kept on and deep down you know it too.
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I am not privy to inside information nor can I second guess a billionaire who is at the very formative stage of putting a structure in place.
As I explained ETH will be at Utd for the reasons outlined, what don't you understand my dearest friend?!
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You would be have to be privy to Jim to be sure with your confident predictions. Like your explanations are enough.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Which is probably why nobody (who Ineos wants) wants to be that man.
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Wouldnt INEOS identifying and sounding put new managers defeat the purpose of appointing Berrada, Ashworth, and Wilcox?
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
There will be 4/5 names on the list and I'd be amazed if they all don't want the job.
Sticking with this guy is just not going to happen. His football is crap, his tactics are farcical and his management of the players is questionable.
If you're investing £1.5 - 2bn you're not keeping a lame duck manager in place.
As I have been saying for months.....the reason he didn't get the boot at Christmas was because of the takeover delays. That's all that's saved him.
I don't know who the next man will be but I'm positive ETH will be leaving in just over a month's time. He's had enough time now to have us looking like an average team at worst and we are way way worse than that.
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You fail to see the bigger picture yet again.
This is not a project that will see all our ills disappear overnight, Jim knows that, that's why he's gone on record to say it's a long term project which includes major additional investment into a new stadium (or refurb of the current stadium). The footballing structure comes first then the coach. If the structure is not in place the coach cannot go. Even if the structure is in place the new DoF will have to assess whether the squad is fit for purpose, if it is then assess what milestones ETH has achieved to date and what else can be accomplished down the line.
If ETH's philosophy is not closely aligned with the new structure ETH will be gone, matter of time. If his philosophy is closely aligned then he'll stay. The squad will therefore need overhauling to ensure the closely aligned philosophies deliver!
I am sorry to disappoint you, SE85, this club, project, mess is not straightforward and requires a nuanced approach. The surgery is far more tricky than meets the eye.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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I'm fairly sure it wasn't Arnold and Murtough who identified Antony and Onana though. Overpaid for sure but they definitely didn't identify them.
You're the most delusional person on here. The excuses don't make sense either. He gets no blame for the things that don't work and all the praise for the things that have? 😂
We are heading for our worst ever PL campaign. Good riddance to him I say. The job is way too big for him.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 54 minutes ago
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Agreed, which is why I reckon we’ll keep EtH until we are in a position to know what we want which we currently don’t.
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I think at this point ETH probably deserves the boot, but we need to be pragmatic about what course of action involves the smoothest transition to the next manager. Are we better off with an interim coach who steadies the metaphorical ship and guides it in the direction of the kind of football we are moving toward, while we fine tune the masterplan? Or do we take the view that two changes creates more disruption than one change? I have no idea.
posted on 16/4/24
Annoyingly it does look like EtH has quite a big say on transfers, I’m sure I’ve read he even requested it when we originally spoke to him. Hopefully moving forward we can bring in someone who’s on board having a DoF who sorts out the transfers and leaves the manager to coaching the squad.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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I'm fairly sure it wasn't Arnold and Murtough who identified Antony and Onana though. Overpaid for sure but they definitely didn't identify them.
You're the most delusional person on here. The excuses don't make sense either. He gets no blame for the things that don't work and all the praise for the things that have? 😂
We are heading for our worst ever PL campaign. Good riddance to him I say. The job is way too big for him.
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I am delusional at all, just pragmatic.
So, why did a club who hired a coach lean on him to make transfer decisions?! Surely, that's on the club.
What type of philosophy do the Glazers have, shared by Edward Woodward, Arnold et al? Just waste and chaos! No wonder ETH went on to say this squad can't play the way he wants to play football!
posted on 16/4/24
With £400m we should have a fairly decent team now. And before anyone jumps the gun....I don't mean one that should be taking the title off Pep but we shouldn't be getting battered by every single team we play either.
He's had enough time and money now for the vision to be clear. It's not clear. We aren't any better than under Ole.
posted on 16/4/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 22 minutes ago
Every manager would be a disaster with our squad. It’s what will make things so difficult getting the next man in.
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Precisely this!
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He's had £400m to spend on this squad. Not a packet of quavers to trade in.
The state of this squad isn't all on him of course but he's massively contributed to what we have by signing crap players, players who are past their best or who are not ready yet.
He doesn't get a free pass I'm afraid.
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Who was doing the spending ? Arnold and Murtough, neither of whom are club employees!
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I'm fairly sure it wasn't Arnold and Murtough who identified Antony and Onana though. Overpaid for sure but they definitely didn't identify them.
You're the most delusional person on here. The excuses don't make sense either. He gets no blame for the things that don't work and all the praise for the things that have? 😂
We are heading for our worst ever PL campaign. Good riddance to him I say. The job is way too big for him.
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I am delusional at all, just pragmatic.
So, why did a club who hired a coach lean on him to make transfer decisions?! Surely, that's on the club.
What type of philosophy do the Glazers have, shared by Edward Woodward, Arnold et al? Just waste and chaos! No wonder ETH went on to say this squad can't play the way he wants to play football!
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