comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
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And yet we lost to possibly the worst Premier League team since Derby, with evidently only the perennially injured Neto unavailable for selection?
All this talk about having so many of our forward line out injured, when comparing our recent form, is somewhat just a red herring. It hasn't helped, that's for sure, but I feel it's our defence that's been the problem.
We have conceded more goals this season (63 and counting), since our return to the Premiership. Kilman was made captain, I assume, because he was vice captain to Neves last season. That I believe is one of the reason he hasn't been that good this term. Coupled with the fact that he has been moved into a central position since Dawson got injured, when he is more suited on the right side of a back three. He's by far our tallest CB, but constantly gets out jumped, whereas Dawson wins most of his headers.
We do need a CF, for sure, but we also need to take a good look at our defenders. I'm happy with the progress Toti has made, but Dawson has only one more year left on his contract. I hope we can persuade Mosquera to stay at Molineux and not get either sold or go back out on loan.
Reading that GON will review his squad and maybe sell some of them for a good profit. Then re-invest in players he wants, having inherited the vast majority from Loppy.
Fosun also needs to step up to the plate.
comment by wolfieinFL (U16306)
posted 9 seconds ago
All this talk about having so many of our forward line out injured, when comparing our recent form, is somewhat just a red herring. It hasn't helped, that's for sure, but I feel it's our defence that's been the problem.
We have conceded more goals this season (63 and counting), since our return to the Premiership. Kilman was made captain, I assume, because he was vice captain to Neves last season. That I believe is one of the reason he hasn't been that good this term. Coupled with the fact that he has been moved into a central position since Dawson got injured, when he is more suited on the right side of a back three. He's by far our tallest CB, but constantly gets out jumped, whereas Dawson wins most of his headers.
We do need a CF, for sure, but we also need to take a good look at our defenders. I'm happy with the progress Toti has made, but Dawson has only one more year left on his contract. I hope we can persuade Mosquera to stay at Molineux and not get either sold or go back out on loan.
Reading that GON will review his squad and maybe sell some of them for a good profit. Then re-invest in players he wants, having inherited the vast majority from Loppy.
Fosun also needs to step up to the plate.
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Spot on wolfie
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
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And yet we lost to possibly the worst Premier League team since Derby, with evidently only the perennially injured Neto unavailable for selection?
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We also beat Man City.
On squad depth, what DJ is saying I think is that if we had replacements of equal quality we could have finished 7th but I dont think there's any clubs that you could genuinely say have 22 players of equal quality, even City & Arsenal have to compromise to some degree when they lose their best players. Would our best 11 have been good enough to finish 7th? Not sure, highest we've been all season is 9th, two brief one week spells.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say if we had replacements of equal quality. Apart from maybe Man City I don’t think any club has that. But with us I think the gap in quality between our first choices and our cover is higher than virtually every team in the division. Which is why we’ve suffered through having a few injuries
Max Kilman one of only 3 outfield players, along with Saliba of Arsenal and Anderson of Palace, to play every minute of the season so far.
Don’t agree with the comparisons coming out recently between Dawson and Kilman. If Dawson had been sent out alongside Semedo in central defence he would have found it just as difficult if not more so than Kilman.
As GON said last week the lack of forwards didn’t just affect the defence but with us pushing midfield players forward to compensate, we weren’t protecting the defence as well as Gomes and Lemina were doing so brilliantly in the first half of the season. With his lack of pace I suspect Dawson would have been very exposed as a consequence
Didn’t just affect the attack
comment by Oldgoldilox (U17303)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
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And yet we lost to possibly the worst Premier League team since Derby, with evidently only the perennially injured Neto unavailable for selection?
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We also beat Man City.
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A depleted City with loads of injuries! 😂😂
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted about 2 hours ago
Don’t agree with the comparisons coming out recently between Dawson and Kilman. If Dawson had been sent out alongside Semedo in central defence he would have found it just as difficult if not more so than Kilman.
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Dawson plays in the middle of the back 3 and it would be Kilman on his right and not Semedo, so that scenario hasn't happened (to my knowledge). Kilman needs to relinquish the armband and maybe he'll improve his overall play next season. Unless of course we sell him.
You get the impression that kilman operates better alongside a communicator like Dawson or Coady.
One of the reasons we've conceded so many this season is tactical, trying to play the ball out of very deep positions and in to tight areas with opposition pressing high has led to us conceding the most goals in the league from turn overs in danger areas. Or in other words we're d!cking around with it too much in our own box.
Cutting that nonsense out would certainly improve matters. It's not all down to tactics and coaching though, individuals making better decisions would also help.
Yeah we’re 7th highest in the league in terms of goals conceded. Shame really. Two games ago we were 17th
Defensively we are poor. hence conceding so many goals. I don't care that there are others equally crap at it to be honest.
Five points now from the last available 27 since the Coventry defeat. Puts us second bottom in the table on current form over those nine games.
So relieved that we haven’t run out steam or lost our mojo since that cup exit, or we’d be in a serious decline.
Interesting stat is that every other club in the division bar West Ham has had players missed more games through injury than us, we are second bottom in that league table! FFS!
Forget about the first eleven qualifying for Europe, if we had experienced just the average number of games missed through injury we’d be in the relegation places.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 hours, 50 minutes ago
Defensively we are poor. hence conceding so many goals. I don't care that there are others equally crap at it to be honest.
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If a team is scoring more than most other teams and conceding less than other teams then they’ll probably be doing ok. We were doing fine up to the point where our three best attackers all got injured at the same time. And then more recently two of our three centre backs got injured at the same time. Our small squad hasn’t been able to cope with that and we have been forced to play some out of position and introduce academy players to compensate. The explanation of our decline in results is as simple as that to me. The alternative to that explanation probably comes down to whether or not you think we have a decent manager.
I don't disagree with that. No doubt we would have more points now if we hadn't lost our forward line all at once.
That has no bearing on my view that defensively we are poor and it is an issue GON thus far in his career hasn't been able to fix, the chief complaint at Bournemouth was similar I believe, conceding 71 goals last term.
Still my belief that shortcomings in our defence have developed since we had injury problems and have been juggling players around in various positions to try and plug the gaps
Up to the end of Feb we were 9th in the league, 1 point off 7th and had conceded less goals than all the teams around us in the table. We were conceding at a rate of 1.5 goals a game up to that point which is decent. Since then we have been conceding at a rate of 2.1 goals a game which certainly isn’t
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 14 hours, 18 minutes ago
Five points now from the last available 27 since the Coventry defeat. Puts us second bottom in the table on current form over those nine games.
So relieved that we haven’t run out steam or lost our mojo since that cup exit, or we’d be in a serious decline.
Interesting stat is that every other club in the division bar West Ham has had players missed more games through injury than us, we are second bottom in that league table! FFS!
Forget about the first eleven qualifying for Europe, if we had experienced just the average number of games missed through injury we’d be in the relegation places.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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What's the point you're making here though, surely this confirms that our problem isn't the quality of our first choice 11 but the fact that we have virtually no back up.
comment by Oldgoldilox (U17303)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 14 hours, 18 minutes ago
Five points now from the last available 27 since the Coventry defeat. Puts us second bottom in the table on current form over those nine games.
So relieved that we haven’t run out steam or lost our mojo since that cup exit, or we’d be in a serious decline.
Interesting stat is that every other club in the division bar West Ham has had players missed more games through injury than us, we are second bottom in that league table! FFS!
Forget about the first eleven qualifying for Europe, if we had experienced just the average number of games missed through injury we’d be in the relegation places.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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What's the point you're making here though, surely this confirms that our problem isn't the quality of our first choice 11 but the fact that we have virtually no back up.
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That’s the point I’m making. 👍
There is an issue over the quality of cover we have. The standard of replacements we use is too inferior to the first choice players in a number of positions so we suffer with just a few injuries
But probably an even bigger issue is the size of the squad. Most teams in the Premier League have the maximum 25 senior squad members. Wolves have 19. If a club with a 25 man squad has 8 players injured they still have 17 to chose from. When Wolves have 5 players injured there’s only 14 left. At one stage in March we only had 13 fit players and 3 of those were keepers. No surprise therefore we have seen so many academy players in our match day squad and some of the senior players playing out of their best position
I do feel there has been a downturn in tactics and the way we have set up, not an expert so can’t pinpoint it , may include how we shape up when not in possession, taking into account small squad and people playing out of position
GON spoke to the club in January and said that if we kept going to the same well, with the same small group of players, then the well would run dry. He told the club that our injury record would get worse, and there would be an inevitable drop off in results.
Our injury record over the season is actually the second best in the division after West Ham. Let that sink in.
If we had experienced even an average level of injuries throughout the season, we would be in trouble now.
Now, the well running dry, running out of steam. players on their last legs, all mean the same thing really. If we had two players for every position and playing with three centre backs, having two out injured wouldn't leave us with two would it?
https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/
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posted on 13/5/24
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
posted on 13/5/24
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
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And yet we lost to possibly the worst Premier League team since Derby, with evidently only the perennially injured Neto unavailable for selection?
posted on 13/5/24
All this talk about having so many of our forward line out injured, when comparing our recent form, is somewhat just a red herring. It hasn't helped, that's for sure, but I feel it's our defence that's been the problem.
We have conceded more goals this season (63 and counting), since our return to the Premiership. Kilman was made captain, I assume, because he was vice captain to Neves last season. That I believe is one of the reason he hasn't been that good this term. Coupled with the fact that he has been moved into a central position since Dawson got injured, when he is more suited on the right side of a back three. He's by far our tallest CB, but constantly gets out jumped, whereas Dawson wins most of his headers.
We do need a CF, for sure, but we also need to take a good look at our defenders. I'm happy with the progress Toti has made, but Dawson has only one more year left on his contract. I hope we can persuade Mosquera to stay at Molineux and not get either sold or go back out on loan.
Reading that GON will review his squad and maybe sell some of them for a good profit. Then re-invest in players he wants, having inherited the vast majority from Loppy.
Fosun also needs to step up to the plate.
posted on 13/5/24
comment by wolfieinFL (U16306)
posted 9 seconds ago
All this talk about having so many of our forward line out injured, when comparing our recent form, is somewhat just a red herring. It hasn't helped, that's for sure, but I feel it's our defence that's been the problem.
We have conceded more goals this season (63 and counting), since our return to the Premiership. Kilman was made captain, I assume, because he was vice captain to Neves last season. That I believe is one of the reason he hasn't been that good this term. Coupled with the fact that he has been moved into a central position since Dawson got injured, when he is more suited on the right side of a back three. He's by far our tallest CB, but constantly gets out jumped, whereas Dawson wins most of his headers.
We do need a CF, for sure, but we also need to take a good look at our defenders. I'm happy with the progress Toti has made, but Dawson has only one more year left on his contract. I hope we can persuade Mosquera to stay at Molineux and not get either sold or go back out on loan.
Reading that GON will review his squad and maybe sell some of them for a good profit. Then re-invest in players he wants, having inherited the vast majority from Loppy.
Fosun also needs to step up to the plate.
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Spot on wolfie
posted on 13/5/24
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
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And yet we lost to possibly the worst Premier League team since Derby, with evidently only the perennially injured Neto unavailable for selection?
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We also beat Man City.
posted on 13/5/24
On squad depth, what DJ is saying I think is that if we had replacements of equal quality we could have finished 7th but I dont think there's any clubs that you could genuinely say have 22 players of equal quality, even City & Arsenal have to compromise to some degree when they lose their best players. Would our best 11 have been good enough to finish 7th? Not sure, highest we've been all season is 9th, two brief one week spells.
posted on 13/5/24
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say if we had replacements of equal quality. Apart from maybe Man City I don’t think any club has that. But with us I think the gap in quality between our first choices and our cover is higher than virtually every team in the division. Which is why we’ve suffered through having a few injuries
posted on 13/5/24
Max Kilman one of only 3 outfield players, along with Saliba of Arsenal and Anderson of Palace, to play every minute of the season so far.
posted on 13/5/24
Don’t agree with the comparisons coming out recently between Dawson and Kilman. If Dawson had been sent out alongside Semedo in central defence he would have found it just as difficult if not more so than Kilman.
As GON said last week the lack of forwards didn’t just affect the defence but with us pushing midfield players forward to compensate, we weren’t protecting the defence as well as Gomes and Lemina were doing so brilliantly in the first half of the season. With his lack of pace I suspect Dawson would have been very exposed as a consequence
posted on 13/5/24
Didn’t just affect the attack
posted on 13/5/24
comment by Oldgoldilox (U17303)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Wulfrunnut (U17298)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
What was suggested was: “That’s a team that if they’d all stayed fit could have qualified for Europe”.
Of course it's a huge hypothetical, hence the word "if".
Still would argue that's a fair shout.
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I think it’s a fair comment wulfrun. With regard to first 11s I think if every team had their first 11 fit for the whole season I think our 11 would have been good enough to qualify for Europe. But as has been shown our depth of decent cover is amongst the shallowest in the league. Something we need to address in the summer
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And yet we lost to possibly the worst Premier League team since Derby, with evidently only the perennially injured Neto unavailable for selection?
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We also beat Man City.
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A depleted City with loads of injuries! 😂😂
posted on 13/5/24
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted about 2 hours ago
Don’t agree with the comparisons coming out recently between Dawson and Kilman. If Dawson had been sent out alongside Semedo in central defence he would have found it just as difficult if not more so than Kilman.
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Dawson plays in the middle of the back 3 and it would be Kilman on his right and not Semedo, so that scenario hasn't happened (to my knowledge). Kilman needs to relinquish the armband and maybe he'll improve his overall play next season. Unless of course we sell him.
posted on 13/5/24
Oh gawd
posted on 13/5/24
You get the impression that kilman operates better alongside a communicator like Dawson or Coady.
One of the reasons we've conceded so many this season is tactical, trying to play the ball out of very deep positions and in to tight areas with opposition pressing high has led to us conceding the most goals in the league from turn overs in danger areas. Or in other words we're d!cking around with it too much in our own box.
Cutting that nonsense out would certainly improve matters. It's not all down to tactics and coaching though, individuals making better decisions would also help.
posted on 13/5/24
Yeah we’re 7th highest in the league in terms of goals conceded. Shame really. Two games ago we were 17th
posted on 14/5/24
Defensively we are poor. hence conceding so many goals. I don't care that there are others equally crap at it to be honest.
posted on 14/5/24
Five points now from the last available 27 since the Coventry defeat. Puts us second bottom in the table on current form over those nine games.
So relieved that we haven’t run out steam or lost our mojo since that cup exit, or we’d be in a serious decline.
Interesting stat is that every other club in the division bar West Ham has had players missed more games through injury than us, we are second bottom in that league table! FFS!
Forget about the first eleven qualifying for Europe, if we had experienced just the average number of games missed through injury we’d be in the relegation places.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 hours, 50 minutes ago
Defensively we are poor. hence conceding so many goals. I don't care that there are others equally crap at it to be honest.
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If a team is scoring more than most other teams and conceding less than other teams then they’ll probably be doing ok. We were doing fine up to the point where our three best attackers all got injured at the same time. And then more recently two of our three centre backs got injured at the same time. Our small squad hasn’t been able to cope with that and we have been forced to play some out of position and introduce academy players to compensate. The explanation of our decline in results is as simple as that to me. The alternative to that explanation probably comes down to whether or not you think we have a decent manager.
posted on 14/5/24
I don't disagree with that. No doubt we would have more points now if we hadn't lost our forward line all at once.
That has no bearing on my view that defensively we are poor and it is an issue GON thus far in his career hasn't been able to fix, the chief complaint at Bournemouth was similar I believe, conceding 71 goals last term.
posted on 14/5/24
Still my belief that shortcomings in our defence have developed since we had injury problems and have been juggling players around in various positions to try and plug the gaps
Up to the end of Feb we were 9th in the league, 1 point off 7th and had conceded less goals than all the teams around us in the table. We were conceding at a rate of 1.5 goals a game up to that point which is decent. Since then we have been conceding at a rate of 2.1 goals a game which certainly isn’t
posted on 14/5/24
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 14 hours, 18 minutes ago
Five points now from the last available 27 since the Coventry defeat. Puts us second bottom in the table on current form over those nine games.
So relieved that we haven’t run out steam or lost our mojo since that cup exit, or we’d be in a serious decline.
Interesting stat is that every other club in the division bar West Ham has had players missed more games through injury than us, we are second bottom in that league table! FFS!
Forget about the first eleven qualifying for Europe, if we had experienced just the average number of games missed through injury we’d be in the relegation places.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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What's the point you're making here though, surely this confirms that our problem isn't the quality of our first choice 11 but the fact that we have virtually no back up.
posted on 14/5/24
comment by Oldgoldilox (U17303)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 14 hours, 18 minutes ago
Five points now from the last available 27 since the Coventry defeat. Puts us second bottom in the table on current form over those nine games.
So relieved that we haven’t run out steam or lost our mojo since that cup exit, or we’d be in a serious decline.
Interesting stat is that every other club in the division bar West Ham has had players missed more games through injury than us, we are second bottom in that league table! FFS!
Forget about the first eleven qualifying for Europe, if we had experienced just the average number of games missed through injury we’d be in the relegation places.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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What's the point you're making here though, surely this confirms that our problem isn't the quality of our first choice 11 but the fact that we have virtually no back up.
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That’s the point I’m making. 👍
posted on 15/5/24
There is an issue over the quality of cover we have. The standard of replacements we use is too inferior to the first choice players in a number of positions so we suffer with just a few injuries
But probably an even bigger issue is the size of the squad. Most teams in the Premier League have the maximum 25 senior squad members. Wolves have 19. If a club with a 25 man squad has 8 players injured they still have 17 to chose from. When Wolves have 5 players injured there’s only 14 left. At one stage in March we only had 13 fit players and 3 of those were keepers. No surprise therefore we have seen so many academy players in our match day squad and some of the senior players playing out of their best position
posted on 15/5/24
I do feel there has been a downturn in tactics and the way we have set up, not an expert so can’t pinpoint it , may include how we shape up when not in possession, taking into account small squad and people playing out of position
posted on 15/5/24
GON spoke to the club in January and said that if we kept going to the same well, with the same small group of players, then the well would run dry. He told the club that our injury record would get worse, and there would be an inevitable drop off in results.
Our injury record over the season is actually the second best in the division after West Ham. Let that sink in.
If we had experienced even an average level of injuries throughout the season, we would be in trouble now.
Now, the well running dry, running out of steam. players on their last legs, all mean the same thing really. If we had two players for every position and playing with three centre backs, having two out injured wouldn't leave us with two would it?
https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/
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