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posted on 11/5/24

a mere consolation prize from something I was pretty sure was going to happen anyway.
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Exactly. Exactly my point.

posted on 11/5/24

comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
a mere consolation prize from something I was pretty sure was going to happen anyway.
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Exactly. Exactly my point.
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Correct.

Was actually a decent analogy to be fair πŸ˜‚

posted on 11/5/24

Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.

posted on 11/5/24

Managed to see the first 25 mins today, now watched the rest of it.

Game was on at the house, but it was ‘mixed company’ watching it and I caught up with the game as Lundstrum was getting sent off. Looked a stonewaller from what I saw, that didn’t seem to be the unanimous view…

Should have had the game buried well before the final whistle. Apart from the goal we conceded, Hart wasn’t troubled in the slightest. O’Riley could have had a hat trick, Kyogo could have had a couple and same for Idah.

Surprised Miller was debating the penalty. Kenny Miller I mean-not Miller on here. Especially after the Silva penalty last derby game.

Was unbelievably surprised at rangers tactics-I know they’ve been a bit of a long ball team, but watching it back today it’s odd seeing it.

Hopefully, that’s Rodgers got more points now than Clement since he arrived. It was astonishing when I read that there was this other league where rangers were top.

I’ll leave reading the thread back until later. It’s too nice a day to spend it on here while the sun’s shining.

comment by St3vie (U11028)

posted on 11/5/24

For me it comes down to logic Hamish mate

Is there logic in placing a bet on Celtic winning the league if they are favourites to do so….of course there is

But as a Rangers fan, is it logical to do so? For me it isn’t all that logical at all

If Celtic are strong favourites, makes little sense to bet on Rangers, so I wouldn’t be doing that

I could bet on Celtic, but in order for anything positive to come from that bet, my team would HAVE to lose.

For me it’s far more logical just not to place a bet at all, I’m expecting my team to lose so it won’t bother me that much and I’ve not risked £250 on anything, but if my team does win the league, I’m extremely happy about it, and I’m £250 better off than I would’ve been if I’d tried to make some sort of consolation cover bet in the event that my team lost, something I never wanted to happen

So as said…I just don’t get it mate

posted on 11/5/24

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me it comes down to logic Hamish mate

Is there logic in placing a bet on Celtic winning the league if they are favourites to do so….of course there is

But as a Rangers fan, is it logical to do so? For me it isn’t all that logical at all

If Celtic are strong favourites, makes little sense to bet on Rangers, so I wouldn’t be doing that

I could bet on Celtic, but in order for anything positive to come from that bet, my team would HAVE to lose.

For me it’s far more logical just not to place a bet at all, I’m expecting my team to lose so it won’t bother me that much and I’ve not risked £250 on anything, but if my team does win the league, I’m extremely happy about it, and I’m £250 better off than I would’ve been if I’d tried to make some sort of consolation cover bet in the event that my team lost, something I never wanted to happen

So as said…I just don’t get it mate
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Coz you’re a daftie?

posted on 11/5/24

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 minute ago
For me it comes down to logic Hamish mate

Is there logic in placing a bet on Celtic winning the league if they are favourites to do so….of course there is

But as a Rangers fan, is it logical to do so? For me it isn’t all that logical at all

If Celtic are strong favourites, makes little sense to bet on Rangers, so I wouldn’t be doing that

I could bet on Celtic, but in order for anything positive to come from that bet, my team would HAVE to lose.

For me it’s far more logical just not to place a bet at all, I’m expecting my team to lose so it won’t bother me that much and I’ve not risked £250 on anything, but if my team does win the league, I’m extremely happy about it, and I’m £250 better off than I would’ve been if I’d tried to make some sort of consolation cover bet in the event that my team lost, something I never wanted to happen

So as said…I just don’t get it mate
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That’s fine Stevie πŸ‘

People bet on a mixture of circumstances, facts, logic and gut feel.

Sometimes these things combine to make a bet seem really good value. And if the opposite happens and the upside of that is so good - league win, CL qualification etc then I can easily stomach losing the cash bet.

I think maybe I know rangers so well it helps me identify those good value bets - some for us some against us.

And if I strongly feel we are going to blow it and the odds are good then I am happy to take the risk and make a few quid. Not desperation - balanced calm decision making.

I do know others who will do this and others that won’t.

I get that some people see it as a betrayal of the support of your team.

I see it as an opportunity to take a few quid off a bookie. Nothing more.

I genuinely didn’t think Rangers would win today. I just don’t think we have the quality available to us or the mindset in the squad.

Same with winning the league. I was just never convinced.

posted on 11/5/24

John Lundstrams performance today was rated statistically the worst of any midfielder this season in our league.

Quite the sign off in what was hopefully his last ever game for us.

Trabsonspor fans eyes bleeding watching Borna and Lundstram today😩

posted on 11/5/24

comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 20 minutes ago
John Lundstrams performance today was rated statistically the worst of any midfielder this season in our league.

Quite the sign off in what was hopefully his last ever game for us.

Trabsonspor fans eyes bleeding watching Borna and Lundstram today😩
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To be fair, the £40m will help

posted on 11/5/24

John Lundstram vs Celtic

β—Ž Key passes - 0
β—Ž Tackles - 0
β—Ž Interceptions - 0
β—Ž Fouls - 2
β—Ž Red cards - 1
β—Ž Dispossessed - 1
β—Ž Own goals - 1
β—Ž WS Rating - 4.48

Lundstram's performance vs Celtic is the worst rated in a Scottish Premiership match this season

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 12/5/24

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.
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TBH I quite like Taylor in so far as despite the wee neddy voice, uselessness in the air and general scheitiness he tries. He tries ever so hard at positional stuff and seems popular bants in the squad.

However, after all this time, he still hasn't fathomed how to defend - his raison d'etre. Still hasn't worked out that he doesn't have to win header, just do enough to put the attacker off. Jump early to avoid being climbed on. Brutal.

posted on 12/5/24

Wasn’t much of a shock that there were tackles like that when the so called expert pundits cry out for it.

The early repeated fouls on McGregor were ridiculous. As for the sending off; Collum believed it was a booking until VAR intervened despite being right in his line of sight. It was as clear as day what Rangers tactics were. Long balls and disrupt play through niggly and petty fouls.

And Collum was quite happy to let that continue until pulled up by his colleagues.

Awful Neanderthal tactics

posted on 12/5/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.
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TBH I quite like Taylor in so far as despite the wee neddy voice, uselessness in the air and general scheitiness he tries. He tries ever so hard at positional stuff and seems popular bants in the squad.

However, after all this time, he still hasn't fathomed how to defend - his raison d'etre. Still hasn't worked out that he doesn't have to win header, just do enough to put the attacker off. Jump early to avoid being climbed on. Brutal.
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He was brutal today and that’s going by his standards.

We were the biggest contributors to a ludicrous second half.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 12/5/24

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.
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TBH I quite like Taylor in so far as despite the wee neddy voice, uselessness in the air and general scheitiness he tries. He tries ever so hard at positional stuff and seems popular bants in the squad.

However, after all this time, he still hasn't fathomed how to defend - his raison d'etre. Still hasn't worked out that he doesn't have to win header, just do enough to put the attacker off. Jump early to avoid being climbed on. Brutal.
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He was brutal today and that’s going by his standards.

We were the biggest contributors to a ludicrous second half.
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As usual we are as one.

posted on 12/5/24

posted on 12/5/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.
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TBH I quite like Taylor in so far as despite the wee neddy voice, uselessness in the air and general scheitiness he tries. He tries ever so hard at positional stuff and seems popular bants in the squad.

However, after all this time, he still hasn't fathomed how to defend - his raison d'etre. Still hasn't worked out that he doesn't have to win header, just do enough to put the attacker off. Jump early to avoid being climbed on. Brutal.
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He was brutal today and that’s going by his standards.

We were the biggest contributors to a ludicrous second half.
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As usual we are as one.
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Yep, I’ve lost count of the number of goals we’ve conceded now from basic long punts to our back (left) post, and Taylor’s either nowhere near his man or rooted to the ground. Every fecking time. We’ve no replacement LB option at present, but it has to be our number one priority in the summer … for the umpteenth window in a row.

posted on 12/5/24

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.
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TBH I quite like Taylor in so far as despite the wee neddy voice, uselessness in the air and general scheitiness he tries. He tries ever so hard at positional stuff and seems popular bants in the squad.

However, after all this time, he still hasn't fathomed how to defend - his raison d'etre. Still hasn't worked out that he doesn't have to win header, just do enough to put the attacker off. Jump early to avoid being climbed on. Brutal.
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In the last 10 minutes of that match there were massive gaps on the left and a better player than mccausland could have exploited it.

Their goal as well, AJ left 2 on 1, with a guy whos only attribute is a great cross.


Our defensive shape needs work

comment by St3vie (U11028)

posted on 12/5/24

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
Said earlier in the week barisic crossing would be a danger for us, its where the goal came from.
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TBH I quite like Taylor in so far as despite the wee neddy voice, uselessness in the air and general scheitiness he tries. He tries ever so hard at positional stuff and seems popular bants in the squad.

However, after all this time, he still hasn't fathomed how to defend - his raison d'etre. Still hasn't worked out that he doesn't have to win header, just do enough to put the attacker off. Jump early to avoid being climbed on. Brutal.
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In the last 10 minutes of that match there were massive gaps on the left and a better player than mccausland could have exploited it.

Their goal as well, AJ left 2 on 1, with a guy whos only attribute is a great cross.

Our defensive shape needs work
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How it ended 2-1 I'll never know

We rode our luck to a massive extent, but with only 10 men, we troubled you at the back far more than we should have been able to, but as said, we didn't have the quality to exploit that

For me the difference in these games though is workrate

Silva and Maeda are examples of what I am talking about

Watch the game back, and in particular the Kyogo chance and O'Rileys goal.

For Kyogo's chance, Johnston runs right off Silva and ends up with the ball at feet on the edge and slips it into Kyogo completely unchallenged

For O'Rileys goal, it's O'Riley that runs off Silva into the box, Lundstram watches the run too and doesn't try to mark him or pick him up, the ball is slipped into him and you score

Fast forward to the second half, Silva has a chance to break, but Maeda breaks his neck to get back and win possession

This is where we are losing these games, Celtic are good at what they do but your workrate off the ball is exceptional....ours is lacklustre at best, far too many lazy players who are simply not working hard enough and are hoping someone else will mop up for them at the back.

What's then even more infuriating is that after lazily allowing O'Riley to roam unmarked to the edge of the box, and sticking a leg out to do fck knows what for the OG....Lundstram then breaks his neck to lunge in on Johnston and get sent aff

Yer priorities are all wrong Lundstram pal

posted on 12/5/24

Congrats to the Celtic fans on the game and, inevitably, the league again. Even before yesterday there was a clear mentality problem in our team, and the fact we still bring in people like Silva shows that our recruitment team have not wised up to it. Some of our team leaders who have shown no sign of mental fortitude need to be moved on for the good of the squad - Barisic, Goldson, Lundstram, and although it's relatively early days for him I'd say Cantwell too. Tav can stay because he has delivered in big moments and dragged us through games before, but we need a new captain. The perma-injured crew can all be moved on too. I don't think there's much between us and Celtic quality wise, and I think outside the OF games we've taken more points this season, but mentality-wise the two squads are worlds apart and that's borne out in the big games through which Celtic have won the league.

posted on 12/5/24

Brendan Rodgers' record vs Rangers

P17 W13 D3 L1 GF39 GA12

Win rate: 76.47%
Draw rate: 17.65%
Lose rate: 5.88%

First Celtic manager since Martin O'Neill to win four derbies on the spin at Celtic Park.

comment by St3vie (U11028)

posted on 12/5/24

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 6 minutes ago
Congrats to the Celtic fans on the game and, inevitably, the league again. Even before yesterday there was a clear mentality problem in our team, and the fact we still bring in people like Silva shows that our recruitment team have not wised up to it. Some of our team leaders who have shown no sign of mental fortitude need to be moved on for the good of the squad - Barisic, Goldson, Lundstram, and although it's relatively early days for him I'd say Cantwell too. Tav can stay because he has delivered in big moments and dragged us through games before, but we need a new captain. The perma-injured crew can all be moved on too. I don't think there's much between us and Celtic quality wise, and I think outside the OF games we've taken more points this season, but mentality-wise the two squads are worlds apart and that's borne out in the big games through which Celtic have won the league.
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I agree with everything you have said except for the comments regards keeping Tav, for me he has to go also

posted on 12/5/24

Rangers fans seem obsessed with work-rate, mentality and getting in about teams.
The same old problems year after year.
The biggest problem you have isn't to do with that. It's the general lack of quality footballers and a complete absence of creativity.
And creativity isn't wearing stupid wee blue hairbands and doing tiktoks.
Unfortunately I think you've chosen a dark ages manager who won't be able to change that.
He's a psycho and a dud.

posted on 12/5/24

Creativity is also an issue, yes, but nowhere near as big an issue as mentality (which does not equate to "intae the". We've created enough to generally get the results we need against the wee teams, but when it comes to the big games against Celtic our players are beaten before they step foot on the pitch and that's the mentality problem that is ingrained in players who have been at the club for a long time without winning very much. Losing becomes a habit.

posted on 12/5/24

I'm not writing off Clement as a dud. He needs and will get a Summer and possibly a Winter transfer window to put his own stamp on that team. He's won titles elsewhere so knows what it takes.

Btw. I admire the Bear taking 13/8 on his team losing and trousering £500. I call it being pragmatic/realistic

posted on 12/5/24

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 3 minutes ago
Creativity is also an issue, yes, but nowhere near as big an issue as mentality (which does not equate to "intae the". We've created enough to generally get the results we need against the wee teams, but when it comes to the big games against Celtic our players are beaten before they step foot on the pitch and that's the mentality problem that is ingrained in players who have been at the club for a long time without winning very much. Losing becomes a habit.
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No. It's because you have marginally better players than the other teams and Celtic have much better players than you.

Their mentality seems OK against the rest because your players think they are better. They don't believe they're as good as Celtic and the simple reason is that they aren't.

It's all quality and Rangers fans need to wake up to that because it's been the case for more than ten years.

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