As a Chelsea fan, VAR correctly identified that it was not a penalty last night and that James lashed out. However, it didn't get involved in the, what can only be labelled an assault, on Mudryk. Lamptey may not have realised how much he was going to hurt him, but he knew what he was doing and it was obviously just as impetuous as James' actions and far more dangerous, resulting in a concussion substitution. Yet no action taken.
The game was better for fans pre-VAR. Errors get made regardless of the tech being used, so let’s stop having to sit through 3 minutes of slow-motion to arrive at the incorrect/inconsistent decision…
Goals shouldn’t be getting ruled out for toes being offside anyway,
comment by Jordan Love MVP (U9335)
posted 20 minutes ago
The game was better for fans pre-VAR. Errors get made regardless of the tech being used, so let’s stop having to sit through 3 minutes of slow-motion to arrive at the incorrect/inconsistent decision…
Goals shouldn’t be getting ruled out for toes being offside anyway,
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more errors got made without var and nothing got highlighted or done about it. Atleast now theres pressure on refs to improve. Which is greatly needed imo. Needs keeping for that alone.
comment by Abiggidybiggidybong (U5313)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
all VAR has done is take decisions from an incompetent idiot on the pitch and given them to an incompetent idiot watching on a monitor.
Until they sort out the standard of officiating all VAR will do is destroy the joy of watching a game because we have to wait 3 minutes to find out if a goal actually counts or not.
If VAR was as accurate as we were told it would be, why do PGMOL have to keep giving out apologies?
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Thats the thing, atleast VAR is highlighting this and surely pressuring PGMOL to improve its patheticly poor standards.
And with any luck pushing the law makers and refs to push them to change some of the stupid laws which footballers who play the game can't agree with etc.
The biggest myth in the game is Refs are neutral and don't have agendas or bias are honest and fair. Saw a youtube short tthe other day of a ref telling a story about letting a team kick and foul Ian Wright and playing on. Dean admitting he chose to not do the right thing just to cut his mate some slack.
This is why VAR needs to be separate to the on field officials. And not only assist them but to hold them to a higher standard.
VAR is crap in its current iteration but I'm pretty sure the stats do actually back up that we have more correct decisions since it was introduced (believe it or not).
With or without VAR, there's going to be crap ref performances and decisions with a ton of post match analysis focusing on them, so we might as well stick with the system that gets more right.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 13 minutes ago
The biggest myth in the game is Refs are neutral and don't have agendas or bias are honest and fair. Saw a youtube short tthe other day of a ref telling a story about letting a team kick and foul Ian Wright and playing on. Dean admitting he chose to not do the right thing just to cut his mate some slack.
This is why VAR needs to be separate to the on field officials. And not only assist them but to hold them to a higher standard.
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VAR should send the ref off if he gets a decision wrong.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 13 minutes ago
The biggest myth in the game is Refs are neutral and don't have agendas or bias are honest and fair. Saw a youtube short tthe other day of a ref telling a story about letting a team kick and foul Ian Wright and playing on. Dean admitting he chose to not do the right thing just to cut his mate some slack.
This is why VAR needs to be separate to the on field officials. And not only assist them but to hold them to a higher standard.
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VAR should send the ref off if he gets a decision wrong.
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not at all they should make sure they look at it again and assure them its still there decision and they can stick to it but have a look with the help of technology make your decision air it to the audience and move on. Even if people disagree with the decision and reasoning they can respect it a lott more than what happens now.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
VAR is crap in its current iteration but I'm pretty sure the stats do actually back up that we have more correct decisions since it was introduced (believe it or not).
With or without VAR, there's going to be crap ref performances and decisions with a ton of post match analysis focusing on them, so we might as well stick with the system that gets more right.
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I wonder if that would still be the case if you take away offsides though. If the semi automated offside tech is successful it will mostly be used for annoying, subjective calls.
If the offsides are taken out of the equation, and the bar for interesting is much higher, I think it will probably survive
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 11 hours, 46 minutes ago
To be honest by my calculations we have been denied way over 100 clear factual penalties since VAR was introduced and they never gave it. I think it is now actually close to 150.
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Excellent post.
Personally I would like to see Hafi installed as head of VAR
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
I think since VAR being introduced Man Utd have been completely destroyed by wrong decisions by VAR. There has been at least over 500 wrong calls against Man Utd in total. I actually think referees are actually instructed to cheat Man Utd now. That is how blatant it is.
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Hafi, any substantiation for these numbers, or are they just educated estimates? They seem a little bit on the high side. Are you including throw-ins, corners and the likes, or just game-changers like red cards, penalties, offsides, etc?
There is no VAR problem. There is only a problem with officials to use it properly,
There's also a problem with fans seeing only what they want to see. We all apply our own selective biases, so simply by brushing aside any decisions that go your way or seeing an disproportionately large number of them as being just and fair, as opposed to the ones that go against, then you're much more likely to see conspiracies if you're that way inclined.
The problem is not so much with VAR but with the rules and their interpretation in relation to handball and offside. With handball they sought to make a subjective decision - "deliberate" - objective, and ended up awading loads of incredibly soft pens. With offside I'd love to know the accuracy with which the lines can be drawn. Lots of goals chalked off for nanometre offsides which would have been given as level and on before VAR came along.
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 15 hours, 36 minutes ago
It's not that VAR has denied you any penalties, it's just that you would've have had over 150 dodgy penalty decisions go your way if VAR wasn't around. I understand the confusion, it must be weird for United fans used to getting all those decisions back in the glory days.
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This is funny because it's at least partially true (Fergie time is a clear example), Ferguson bullied referees but that doesn't work anymore - a referee has to be as honest as they can be now because if they give the rub of the green to a big club & then it gets reversed by VAR it makes them look really bad.
I am not suggesting match-fixing was rife or that it stil could not happen but it certainly makes it much more complex for a referee to be bought off with VAR & fix a game - that has to be a good thing.
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posted on 16/5/24
As a Chelsea fan, VAR correctly identified that it was not a penalty last night and that James lashed out. However, it didn't get involved in the, what can only be labelled an assault, on Mudryk. Lamptey may not have realised how much he was going to hurt him, but he knew what he was doing and it was obviously just as impetuous as James' actions and far more dangerous, resulting in a concussion substitution. Yet no action taken.
posted on 16/5/24
The game was better for fans pre-VAR. Errors get made regardless of the tech being used, so let’s stop having to sit through 3 minutes of slow-motion to arrive at the incorrect/inconsistent decision…
Goals shouldn’t be getting ruled out for toes being offside anyway,
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Jordan Love MVP (U9335)
posted 20 minutes ago
The game was better for fans pre-VAR. Errors get made regardless of the tech being used, so let’s stop having to sit through 3 minutes of slow-motion to arrive at the incorrect/inconsistent decision…
Goals shouldn’t be getting ruled out for toes being offside anyway,
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more errors got made without var and nothing got highlighted or done about it. Atleast now theres pressure on refs to improve. Which is greatly needed imo. Needs keeping for that alone.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Abiggidybiggidybong (U5313)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
all VAR has done is take decisions from an incompetent idiot on the pitch and given them to an incompetent idiot watching on a monitor.
Until they sort out the standard of officiating all VAR will do is destroy the joy of watching a game because we have to wait 3 minutes to find out if a goal actually counts or not.
If VAR was as accurate as we were told it would be, why do PGMOL have to keep giving out apologies?
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Thats the thing, atleast VAR is highlighting this and surely pressuring PGMOL to improve its patheticly poor standards.
posted on 16/5/24
And with any luck pushing the law makers and refs to push them to change some of the stupid laws which footballers who play the game can't agree with etc.
posted on 16/5/24
The biggest myth in the game is Refs are neutral and don't have agendas or bias are honest and fair. Saw a youtube short tthe other day of a ref telling a story about letting a team kick and foul Ian Wright and playing on. Dean admitting he chose to not do the right thing just to cut his mate some slack.
This is why VAR needs to be separate to the on field officials. And not only assist them but to hold them to a higher standard.
posted on 16/5/24
VAR is crap in its current iteration but I'm pretty sure the stats do actually back up that we have more correct decisions since it was introduced (believe it or not).
With or without VAR, there's going to be crap ref performances and decisions with a ton of post match analysis focusing on them, so we might as well stick with the system that gets more right.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 13 minutes ago
The biggest myth in the game is Refs are neutral and don't have agendas or bias are honest and fair. Saw a youtube short tthe other day of a ref telling a story about letting a team kick and foul Ian Wright and playing on. Dean admitting he chose to not do the right thing just to cut his mate some slack.
This is why VAR needs to be separate to the on field officials. And not only assist them but to hold them to a higher standard.
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VAR should send the ref off if he gets a decision wrong.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 13 minutes ago
The biggest myth in the game is Refs are neutral and don't have agendas or bias are honest and fair. Saw a youtube short tthe other day of a ref telling a story about letting a team kick and foul Ian Wright and playing on. Dean admitting he chose to not do the right thing just to cut his mate some slack.
This is why VAR needs to be separate to the on field officials. And not only assist them but to hold them to a higher standard.
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VAR should send the ref off if he gets a decision wrong.
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not at all they should make sure they look at it again and assure them its still there decision and they can stick to it but have a look with the help of technology make your decision air it to the audience and move on. Even if people disagree with the decision and reasoning they can respect it a lott more than what happens now.
posted on 16/5/24
their*
posted on 16/5/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
VAR is crap in its current iteration but I'm pretty sure the stats do actually back up that we have more correct decisions since it was introduced (believe it or not).
With or without VAR, there's going to be crap ref performances and decisions with a ton of post match analysis focusing on them, so we might as well stick with the system that gets more right.
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I wonder if that would still be the case if you take away offsides though. If the semi automated offside tech is successful it will mostly be used for annoying, subjective calls.
If the offsides are taken out of the equation, and the bar for interesting is much higher, I think it will probably survive
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 11 hours, 46 minutes ago
To be honest by my calculations we have been denied way over 100 clear factual penalties since VAR was introduced and they never gave it. I think it is now actually close to 150.
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Excellent post.
posted on 16/5/24
Personally I would like to see Hafi installed as head of VAR
posted on 16/5/24
I don't think you would.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
I think since VAR being introduced Man Utd have been completely destroyed by wrong decisions by VAR. There has been at least over 500 wrong calls against Man Utd in total. I actually think referees are actually instructed to cheat Man Utd now. That is how blatant it is.
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Hafi, any substantiation for these numbers, or are they just educated estimates? They seem a little bit on the high side. Are you including throw-ins, corners and the likes, or just game-changers like red cards, penalties, offsides, etc?
posted on 16/5/24
There is no VAR problem. There is only a problem with officials to use it properly,
posted on 16/5/24
There's also a problem with fans seeing only what they want to see. We all apply our own selective biases, so simply by brushing aside any decisions that go your way or seeing an disproportionately large number of them as being just and fair, as opposed to the ones that go against, then you're much more likely to see conspiracies if you're that way inclined.
posted on 16/5/24
The problem is not so much with VAR but with the rules and their interpretation in relation to handball and offside. With handball they sought to make a subjective decision - "deliberate" - objective, and ended up awading loads of incredibly soft pens. With offside I'd love to know the accuracy with which the lines can be drawn. Lots of goals chalked off for nanometre offsides which would have been given as level and on before VAR came along.
posted on 16/5/24
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 15 hours, 36 minutes ago
It's not that VAR has denied you any penalties, it's just that you would've have had over 150 dodgy penalty decisions go your way if VAR wasn't around. I understand the confusion, it must be weird for United fans used to getting all those decisions back in the glory days.
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This is funny because it's at least partially true (Fergie time is a clear example), Ferguson bullied referees but that doesn't work anymore - a referee has to be as honest as they can be now because if they give the rub of the green to a big club & then it gets reversed by VAR it makes them look really bad.
I am not suggesting match-fixing was rife or that it stil could not happen but it certainly makes it much more complex for a referee to be bought off with VAR & fix a game - that has to be a good thing.
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