^ Given what’s to follow next season with the start of the sporting reset, any head coach coming in now is ostensibly going to be an interim appointment anyway, and is going to be appointed based on what strategy?
I don’t really see the point, tbh.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’ll be interesting to know if they’ve consulted the players on Ten Hag. Despite what others have said, I don’t think they’ve stopped playing for him and they look like they are really behind him.
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Evans really got behind him. Said we should keep him. I think there is a good chance he will stay now.
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McT, Martinez and Bruno have all made really supportive statements this weekend as well, and much of it seems to have been unprompted.
I get the impression that the players know that as a unit they really haven’t delivered satisfactorily this season and that they’ve let the fans and the manager down. Some (Bruno and Dalot, particularly) seem legitimately upset/angry about it.
Personally, I wouldn’t be devastated if Ten Hag were to be given his marching orders now; but if I were Ineos, I’d be keeping him on next season for multiple reasons.
Complete the reset of the sporting hierarchy, let them get their feet under the table and the high level long-term strategy in place, concentrate the focus where it needs to be (squad trimming with the wage budget in mind; developing and communicating out the strategy across the club; starting the reset of the data and analytics, scouting, medical, academy accordingly, etc.), then start looking at who might replace ETH next summer in line with the sporting strategy and what they’ll to need to support them.
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I’d always thought that would be their intention when they took over, which is why Ten Hag wasn’t sacked.
But it could be that opportunities in the manager market have presented themselves could have changed that thinking.
It needs to be resolved one way or another soon. It’s going to be a difficult summer anyway trying to sort the squad out, but it’ll be more complicated by a protracted saga around the manager.
I’m hoping being in the Europa doesn’t stop us trying to move out all the wasters that shouldn’t be at the club. I’m hoping they’ll be looking hard at the academy to see who might be ready to step up to fill in a squad role to help with the depth needed when being in the Europa.
We are just going round in circles until an actual decision is made.
There are ones like the the OP who want to give ETH another season and give the reasons as shown.
There are others on the opposite side who accept there have been various issues, but still think we should have been doing better and a number of things were unacceptable such as a -ve GD, so many losses, the overall kamikaze midfield tactics etc etc.
The board has been full of it for months - I just want the decision to be made and so we can move on one way or the other.
Even though I think he should go, either way, whoever is here next season gets my support as always and hopefully we get the players we need in the summer and next season shows some considerable improvement both in consistency and playing style etc.
It's felt a long tiring season, I just hope we get this sorted quickly and have more positive things to look forward to.
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
^ Given what’s to follow next season with the start of the sporting reset, any head coach coming in now is ostensibly going to be an interim appointment anyway, and is going to be appointed based on what strategy?
I don’t really see the point, tbh.
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Not necessarily. They may feel that the managers available in the market represent a better bet to implement their plans. It’s hard to know what those plans are, of course. Because for all the talk of long term vision, you still have to have a short term one, where the pressure to deliver season on season doesn’t ever disappear.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 19 minutes ago
100% agreement and 5 * from me.
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With the OP that is
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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Helps if you don't have spoilt brats like Robb and SE85 in your fanbase who simply do not see the big picture and often chase after flavour of the month managers.
It’ll be interesting to know if they’ve consulted the players on Ten Hag. Despite what others have said, I don’t think they’ve stopped playing for him and they look like they are really behind him.
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Yeah I never believed they'd stop playing for him either as there were enough examples throughout the season to suggest that wasn't the case despite how shiiit things had been.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
^ Given what’s to follow next season with the start of the sporting reset, any head coach coming in now is ostensibly going to be an interim appointment anyway, and is going to be appointed based on what strategy?
I don’t really see the point, tbh.
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Not necessarily. They may feel that the managers available in the market represent a better bet to implement their plans. It’s hard to know what those plans are, of course. Because for all the talk of long term vision, you still have to have a short term one, where the pressure to deliver season on season doesn’t ever disappear.
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We'll get a taste of what those plans may be with the first transfers of the regime whether we have a manager in place or not. I am hoping the players we recruit are comfortable on the ball first and foremost. Even then it would not be obvious unless someone like Ashworth spells it out during an in-depth interview.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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Helps if you don't have spoilt brats like Robb and SE85 in your fanbase who simply do not see the big picture and often chase after flavour of the month managers.
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It’s also that one club is the biggest in the land and the other is Spurs.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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Helps if you don't have spoilt brats like Robb and SE85 in your fanbase who simply do not see the big picture and often chase after flavour of the month managers.
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It’s also that one club is the biggest in the land and the other is Spurs.
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I didn't want to break Spurtle's heart with that revelation!
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’ll be interesting to know if they’ve consulted the players on Ten Hag. Despite what others have said, I don’t think they’ve stopped playing for him and they look like they are really behind him.
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Yeah I never believed they'd stop playing for him either as there were enough examples throughout the season to suggest that wasn't the case despite how shiiit things had been.
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For all his flaws, I think ETH has obviously built up good relationships with the majority of the players.
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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posted 35 seconds ago
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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🤣
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 minute ago
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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You want even more celebrations?
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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-GD in the league for the first time in the PL era
- Most losses in the league in the PL era
- Finishing 4th in a not too difficult CL group
- Faced the second most amount of shots in the league, Luton and Burnley faced less ffs
- Conceded the most amount of goals in the PL era.
- Lowest league finish in the PL era.
This stuff may be acceptable to Spurs fans, it ain't acceptable to a club that is one of the biggest in the world.
SCOOP. @AcademyScoop
I'm told Manchester United’s decision makers have come away from the recent round of managerial talks most impressed by Kieran McKenna.
The Ipswich boss also fits INEOS’ criteria for a young manager, as well as being well suited to a ‘head coach’ role, relative to alternatives.
This guy is supposed to have close links to United.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 minute ago
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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You want even more celebrations?
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Looking back on Saturday one of the best things about it was the fact that victory over Liverpool actually meant something at the end of the season too. That game will always be one on the road to victory now rather than just a nice one off win.
Ten Hag is probably a top 3 manager in the world so getting rid of him means it will be a downgrade. Hope he stays.
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 11 minutes ago
SCOOP. @AcademyScoop
I'm told Manchester United’s decision makers have come away from the recent round of managerial talks most impressed by Kieran McKenna.
The Ipswich boss also fits INEOS’ criteria for a young manager, as well as being well suited to a ‘head coach’ role, relative to alternatives.
This guy is supposed to have close links to United.
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Let’s hope that Ineos don’t want to act like Chelsea, because we’ll be facked if they do.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Looking back on Saturday one of the best things about it was the fact that victory over Liverpool actually meant something at the end of the season too. That game will always be one on the road to victory now rather than just a nice one off win.
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👍
Remember they said anyone can win with Ajax. Ajax struggled instead.
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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-GD in the league for the first time in the PL era
- Most losses in the league in the PL era
- Finishing 4th in a not too difficult CL group
- Faced the second most amount of shots in the league, Luton and Burnley faced less ffs
- Conceded the most amount of goals in the PL era.
- Lowest league finish in the PL era.
This stuff may be acceptable to Spurs fans, it ain't acceptable to a club that is one of the biggest in the world.
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It is for one season when there are real reasons, and a wonderful FA Cup win.
Our goal difference would have been about +20 if correct decisions were made.
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posted on 27/5/24
^ Given what’s to follow next season with the start of the sporting reset, any head coach coming in now is ostensibly going to be an interim appointment anyway, and is going to be appointed based on what strategy?
I don’t really see the point, tbh.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’ll be interesting to know if they’ve consulted the players on Ten Hag. Despite what others have said, I don’t think they’ve stopped playing for him and they look like they are really behind him.
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Evans really got behind him. Said we should keep him. I think there is a good chance he will stay now.
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McT, Martinez and Bruno have all made really supportive statements this weekend as well, and much of it seems to have been unprompted.
I get the impression that the players know that as a unit they really haven’t delivered satisfactorily this season and that they’ve let the fans and the manager down. Some (Bruno and Dalot, particularly) seem legitimately upset/angry about it.
Personally, I wouldn’t be devastated if Ten Hag were to be given his marching orders now; but if I were Ineos, I’d be keeping him on next season for multiple reasons.
Complete the reset of the sporting hierarchy, let them get their feet under the table and the high level long-term strategy in place, concentrate the focus where it needs to be (squad trimming with the wage budget in mind; developing and communicating out the strategy across the club; starting the reset of the data and analytics, scouting, medical, academy accordingly, etc.), then start looking at who might replace ETH next summer in line with the sporting strategy and what they’ll to need to support them.
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I’d always thought that would be their intention when they took over, which is why Ten Hag wasn’t sacked.
But it could be that opportunities in the manager market have presented themselves could have changed that thinking.
It needs to be resolved one way or another soon. It’s going to be a difficult summer anyway trying to sort the squad out, but it’ll be more complicated by a protracted saga around the manager.
I’m hoping being in the Europa doesn’t stop us trying to move out all the wasters that shouldn’t be at the club. I’m hoping they’ll be looking hard at the academy to see who might be ready to step up to fill in a squad role to help with the depth needed when being in the Europa.
posted on 27/5/24
We are just going round in circles until an actual decision is made.
There are ones like the the OP who want to give ETH another season and give the reasons as shown.
There are others on the opposite side who accept there have been various issues, but still think we should have been doing better and a number of things were unacceptable such as a -ve GD, so many losses, the overall kamikaze midfield tactics etc etc.
The board has been full of it for months - I just want the decision to be made and so we can move on one way or the other.
Even though I think he should go, either way, whoever is here next season gets my support as always and hopefully we get the players we need in the summer and next season shows some considerable improvement both in consistency and playing style etc.
It's felt a long tiring season, I just hope we get this sorted quickly and have more positive things to look forward to.
posted on 27/5/24
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
^ Given what’s to follow next season with the start of the sporting reset, any head coach coming in now is ostensibly going to be an interim appointment anyway, and is going to be appointed based on what strategy?
I don’t really see the point, tbh.
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Not necessarily. They may feel that the managers available in the market represent a better bet to implement their plans. It’s hard to know what those plans are, of course. Because for all the talk of long term vision, you still have to have a short term one, where the pressure to deliver season on season doesn’t ever disappear.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 19 minutes ago
100% agreement and 5 * from me.
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With the OP that is
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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Helps if you don't have spoilt brats like Robb and SE85 in your fanbase who simply do not see the big picture and often chase after flavour of the month managers.
posted on 27/5/24
It’ll be interesting to know if they’ve consulted the players on Ten Hag. Despite what others have said, I don’t think they’ve stopped playing for him and they look like they are really behind him.
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Yeah I never believed they'd stop playing for him either as there were enough examples throughout the season to suggest that wasn't the case despite how shiiit things had been.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
^ Given what’s to follow next season with the start of the sporting reset, any head coach coming in now is ostensibly going to be an interim appointment anyway, and is going to be appointed based on what strategy?
I don’t really see the point, tbh.
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Not necessarily. They may feel that the managers available in the market represent a better bet to implement their plans. It’s hard to know what those plans are, of course. Because for all the talk of long term vision, you still have to have a short term one, where the pressure to deliver season on season doesn’t ever disappear.
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We'll get a taste of what those plans may be with the first transfers of the regime whether we have a manager in place or not. I am hoping the players we recruit are comfortable on the ball first and foremost. Even then it would not be obvious unless someone like Ashworth spells it out during an in-depth interview.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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Helps if you don't have spoilt brats like Robb and SE85 in your fanbase who simply do not see the big picture and often chase after flavour of the month managers.
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It’s also that one club is the biggest in the land and the other is Spurs.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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Helps if you don't have spoilt brats like Robb and SE85 in your fanbase who simply do not see the big picture and often chase after flavour of the month managers.
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It’s also that one club is the biggest in the land and the other is Spurs.
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I didn't want to break Spurtle's heart with that revelation!
posted on 27/5/24
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’ll be interesting to know if they’ve consulted the players on Ten Hag. Despite what others have said, I don’t think they’ve stopped playing for him and they look like they are really behind him.
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Yeah I never believed they'd stop playing for him either as there were enough examples throughout the season to suggest that wasn't the case despite how shiiit things had been.
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For all his flaws, I think ETH has obviously built up good relationships with the majority of the players.
posted on 27/5/24
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
posted on 27/5/24
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 35 seconds ago
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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🤣
posted on 27/5/24
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 minute ago
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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You want even more celebrations?
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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-GD in the league for the first time in the PL era
- Most losses in the league in the PL era
- Finishing 4th in a not too difficult CL group
- Faced the second most amount of shots in the league, Luton and Burnley faced less ffs
- Conceded the most amount of goals in the PL era.
- Lowest league finish in the PL era.
This stuff may be acceptable to Spurs fans, it ain't acceptable to a club that is one of the biggest in the world.
posted on 27/5/24
SCOOP. @AcademyScoop
I'm told Manchester United’s decision makers have come away from the recent round of managerial talks most impressed by Kieran McKenna.
The Ipswich boss also fits INEOS’ criteria for a young manager, as well as being well suited to a ‘head coach’ role, relative to alternatives.
This guy is supposed to have close links to United.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 minute ago
SE85
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Has anyone thought to check on his wellbeing after Saturday?
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You want even more celebrations?
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posted on 27/5/24
Looking back on Saturday one of the best things about it was the fact that victory over Liverpool actually meant something at the end of the season too. That game will always be one on the road to victory now rather than just a nice one off win.
posted on 27/5/24
Ten Hag is probably a top 3 manager in the world so getting rid of him means it will be a downgrade. Hope he stays.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 11 minutes ago
SCOOP. @AcademyScoop
I'm told Manchester United’s decision makers have come away from the recent round of managerial talks most impressed by Kieran McKenna.
The Ipswich boss also fits INEOS’ criteria for a young manager, as well as being well suited to a ‘head coach’ role, relative to alternatives.
This guy is supposed to have close links to United.
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Let’s hope that Ineos don’t want to act like Chelsea, because we’ll be facked if they do.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Looking back on Saturday one of the best things about it was the fact that victory over Liverpool actually meant something at the end of the season too. That game will always be one on the road to victory now rather than just a nice one off win.
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👍
posted on 27/5/24
Remember they said anyone can win with Ajax. Ajax struggled instead.
posted on 27/5/24
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
He's a good manager. Proved it at Ajax and has proved it to some degree already at United. One poor season does not make a good manager poor. If that were the case then Klopp was poor when Liverpool hired him.
To think he's under pressure at United for winning 2 trophies in 2 seasons, when if this were at Spurs he'd be considered a legend by the fans.
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-GD in the league for the first time in the PL era
- Most losses in the league in the PL era
- Finishing 4th in a not too difficult CL group
- Faced the second most amount of shots in the league, Luton and Burnley faced less ffs
- Conceded the most amount of goals in the PL era.
- Lowest league finish in the PL era.
This stuff may be acceptable to Spurs fans, it ain't acceptable to a club that is one of the biggest in the world.
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It is for one season when there are real reasons, and a wonderful FA Cup win.
posted on 27/5/24
Our goal difference would have been about +20 if correct decisions were made.
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