Good argument.

Just because Arteta has had a modicum of success with Kai does not mean he can transform Marcus.
Rashford is very limited technically( I was genuinely shocked to see his crossfield pass finding Garnacho in the build up to Manu’s second goal against City in the FA cup) and plays in moments.
Don’t want him anywhere near Arsenal.

Wouldn't exactly be happy with him as a signing but I'd trust Arteta and co and get behind him.

Think there's far better value in the market to be had though.

comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just because Arteta has had a modicum of success with Kai does not mean he can transform Marcus.
Rashford is very limited technically( I was genuinely shocked to see his crossfield pass finding Garnacho in the build up to Manu’s second goal against City in the FA cup) and plays in moments.
Don’t want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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Do you realise what goes into our assessment of players? Its over a 6 month process.

Edu recently:

“You can’t sign for the sake of signing. It has to be a process that takes weeks and weeks. On my desk, I have reports of over 180 pages on one player. It’s really detailed stuff. Physical, technical, mental profile, whether he has Premier League experience, whether he’ll be able to adapt. Everything. We analyse our deficiencies, where we can improve, where we can invest and then we go in search of that new name. We’ve been discussing what I’m going to do now since January. It’s not my decision or Mikel’s. It’s a group decision.”

Its not done on a whim like Chelsea!

The last thing I want to see is the “Incredible Sulk” at Arsenal. 👀

Rashford is on £300k+ a week but when things are not working out he throws his hands up in the air & WON’T RUN - you don’t win anything big with players like that…🤷🏻‍♂️

One other thing, some people are saying Havertz is a massive success but I would dispute that, he has gone from teririble to a decent squad alternative - but he failed as a No. 8 (which is what Arteta bought him for !) & has had only moderate success at 9 - which is why we are desperate for a 9 who is quick and a clinical finisher. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Its funny Arsenal fans think they have a chance of getting Rashford. I believe he wouldn’t go to Arsenal even if he was offered £1M a week to join Arsenal.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 2 minutes ago
Its funny Arsenal fans think they have a chance of getting Rashford. I believe he wouldn’t go to Arsenal even if he was offered £1M a week to join Arsenal.
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We’re all hoping you’re right. 🤞

https://youtu.be/O4tJnzdjsyI?si=yKcu2IN-5TEstDXt
Honestly I would bet all my money on Rashford never going to Arsenal.

https://x.com/MarcusRashford/status/1795165662333063644
You really think he is even thinking of Arsenal lol.

I think he's brilliant at his best, but something seems to be off with him mentally. Maybe he just needs a stable environment that will push him.

Dunno if it's worth the risk given the fees and wages that we'll have to invest in him.

comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 2 minutes ago
Its funny Arsenal fans think they have a chance of getting Rashford. I believe he wouldn’t go to Arsenal even if he was offered £1M a week to join Arsenal.
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We’re all hoping you’re right. 🤞
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Me too, I don't want him anywhere near Arsenal

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
I would take him
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Me to he's a good player!

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 day, 15 hours ago
Chelsea fans used to say how Havertz was useless in possession and his passing was weak. Arteta has used him brilliantly in a new role, and he has flourished.

I trust Arteta do the same for Rashford if there is anything to the rumour.

I've already stated my preference, but I trust in our system and Arteta if he is serious in going after Rashford.
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havertz is poor in possession and passing. This year was his lowest passing % in the premier league since he arrived. A measly 81.1%.

comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
Just because Arteta has had a modicum of success with Kai does not mean he can transform Marcus.
Rashford is very limited technically( I was genuinely shocked to see his crossfield pass finding Garnacho in the build up to Manu’s second goal against City in the FA cup) and plays in moments.
Don’t want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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yeah its weird using havertz as a barometer who had a distintly average season and didnt really do anything of note til february/march

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
Just because Arteta has had a modicum of success with Kai does not mean he can transform Marcus.
Rashford is very limited technically( I was genuinely shocked to see his crossfield pass finding Garnacho in the build up to Manu’s second goal against City in the FA cup) and plays in moments.
Don’t want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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yeah its weird using havertz as a barometer who had a distintly average season and didnt really do anything of note til february/march
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Just maybe it was because he was playing as an 8 before that

comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
Just because Arteta has had a modicum of success with Kai does not mean he can transform Marcus.
Rashford is very limited technically( I was genuinely shocked to see his crossfield pass finding Garnacho in the build up to Manu’s second goal against City in the FA cup) and plays in moments.
Don’t want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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yeah its weird using havertz as a barometer who had a distintly average season and didnt really do anything of note til february/march
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Just maybe it was because he was playing as an 8 before that
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hes played as a 9 plenty times for chelsea and was crap there. Lets see next season, but a few tap ins and headers aside he was poor.

best thing he done all season was the ball to saka v spurs. delightful.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
Just because Arteta has had a modicum of success with Kai does not mean he can transform Marcus.
Rashford is very limited technically( I was genuinely shocked to see his crossfield pass finding Garnacho in the build up to Manu’s second goal against City in the FA cup) and plays in moments.
Don’t want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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yeah its weird using havertz as a barometer who had a distintly average season and didnt really do anything of note til february/march
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Just maybe it was because he was playing as an 8 before that
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hes played as a 9 plenty times for chelsea and was crap there. Lets see next season, but a few tap ins and headers aside he was poor.

best thing he done all season was the ball to saka v spurs. delightful.
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Why bother going back to how he was at Chelsea? The discussion has Havertz improved at Arsenal and he has had his best output in the EPL at Arsenal, passing and possession stats don't win games, goals and assists do!

And Id say no he hasnt improved. I watched arsenal probably 30 odd times last year, and obviously dont miss a chelsea game so saw all his games at chelsea and no real improvement at all.

He was playing for a much better team so got more opportunities, more touches in the box, more rebounds and had more chances for goals and tap ins.

This is backed up by his highest expected goals and expected assists since he came to england (despite playing a lot of the year in a deeper role)

What you think does not matter. You come across as a bitter Chelsea fan. Arsenal fans are satisfied with Havertz in his new false 9 position, and so are the manager and technical director. So much so, we have altered our striker target profile. We all think he can score 15+ next season and create 10+ to win us the Premier League.

Imagine telling someone they're better immediately after they openly said your team is much better than their team

Bitter*

comment by De Zerbi Is Inevitable (U6489)
posted 26 minutes ago
Imagine telling someone they're better immediately after they openly said your team is much better than their team
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right. He didnt think that one through.

What is better than one bitter Chelsea fan? Two bitter fans!

"I watched arsenal probably 30 odd times last year, and obviously dont miss a chelsea game so saw all his games at chelsea and no real improvement at all."

So football isn't a team game? Is Havertz a passenger in the Arsenal team?

"more touches in the box, more rebounds and had more chances for goals and tap ins."

Can it because he is being asked to occupy better zones? Drop deeper to link play? So Arsenal are combining his skills and style into Arsenal's gameplay, rather than constantly isolating him as a target man? So what is that if not an improvement both in understanding and gameplay and confidence?