Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
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Not really. The Glazers wouldn’t have done anything considered like a review and would have just sacked him after the full time whistle.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Maybe ETH is so single-minded that he thinks he can persuade Ineos that he is the guy in such a scenario, but it's asking a lot of any manager to work in such circumstances."
This is my feeling, and I expect ETH will have the self confidence to turn them around. Ultimately if they're "forced" to stick with him, and he's winning games next season, it'll be hard to replace him.
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If Ineos end up sticking with him, would they not need to extend his contract, because if not, that effectively tells him, you're only here because we can't find anyone else. Because if ETH did do well (who knows what is considered 'well', he could at the end of next season just say, I don't want to work under you, I'm off elsewhere for nothing.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 hours, 26 minutes ago
I’d argue they do their best work defending the box anyway.
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Martinez is probably the exemption there, he's good in a high line, has enough anticipation and pace not to worry too much about the ball behind and he is great at winning the ball back early, not to mention his ability on the ball.
It's been a big issue for ETH and one of the main reasons for the gap between the defence and midfield, the rest naturally drop due to their lack of pace.
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Nah Martinez is much better defending the box. His lack of pace is an issue when defending higher up the pitch, and he doesn’t win enough in the air to snuff out those counters before they develop.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
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Not really. The Glazers wouldn’t have done anything considered like a review and would have just sacked him after the full time whistle.
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Their transfer windows were long drawn out fiascos which this is starting to resemble
Either the cup win was the deciding factor in their decision to keep eth or it wasn't
The reviews should have been done already
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
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Not really. The Glazers wouldn’t have done anything considered like a review and would have just sacked him after the full time whistle.
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Their transfer windows were long drawn out fiascos which this is starting to resemble
Either the cup win was the deciding factor in their decision to keep eth or it wasn't
The reviews should have been done already
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It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
As an impartial Spurs fan, I'm amazed there are so many fans in support of keeping Ten Hag. On the face of it, yeah two trophies in two seasons sound great but that's because you have very talented individuals that can win any game on any given day. Let's face it, you rode your luck getting to Wembley in the first place.
Personally I wouldn't even focus on the trophies. They're a distraction. Your performances actually make an 8th place finish flattering. That's the truth of it. Of all the top flight leagues around Europe, only Sheff United have a worse record in terms of shots faced this season. I'll say it again - that's EVERY top flight league in Europe.
Now I know you've had your injuries, sure, more than most I'd imagine but the biggest problem I can see is a total shift in philosophy based on those injuries. Surely that can't be right?! I understand you need to be pragmatic with a weakened squad but changing your entire style? Come on. You're Manchester United for christ's sake and you had more than enough to be able to control more games than you did last year. You were routinely outplayed by many bottom half teams last year and that alone should make you question ETH.
When we played Chelsea at home in November, we went down to 9 men and continued playing a high line. Some would say that's absolute suicide, and sure, we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. I came away from that, not crestfallen at the result, but optimistic that we had focus, a real direction, a clear philosophy that can inform the recruitment team where to look for areas to strengthen. That single-mindedness from Ange, whilst sometimes messy and painful, is the very bedrock that change comes from. ETH's willingness to change his philosophy based on injuries I think is at the very heart of what's currently going wrong. Do the recruitment team now look for players to fine tune your counter-attacking squad, or pivot completely and look for those comfortable in a more controlled system? It causes fuzzy thinking.
The reason why it all worked for him at Ajax is because the philosophy was the club's, not his. He fit into their playing style, not the other way around. I'm just not sure he has the character and personality to drag the club with him down a path less travelled.
As someone who knows a lot about how Poch operates I'm frankly staggered you're not all clamouring for him to get the job. He'd be perfect. He'd be brilliantly aligned with the club's philosophy of youth development and he'd create a unity not seen at the club for a long time now and he plays more progressive, front-foot, controlled football. If anyone is suited to the role it's him. Way more than Tuchel and the laughable suggestion of Zidane .
Credit to you for your loyalty but you have to judge ETH on performances and not let the romance of the cup cloud your vision. As an outsider, I completely agree with the OP.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 24 seconds ago
As an impartial Spurs fan, I'm amazed there are so many fans in support of keeping Ten Hag. On the face of it, yeah two trophies in two seasons sound great but that's because you have very talented individuals that can win any game on any given day. Let's face it, you rode your luck getting to Wembley in the first place.
Personally I wouldn't even focus on the trophies. They're a distraction. Your performances actually make an 8th place finish flattering. That's the truth of it. Of all the top flight leagues around Europe, only Sheff United have a worse record in terms of shots faced this season. I'll say it again - that's EVERY top flight league in Europe.
Now I know you've had your injuries, sure, more than most I'd imagine but the biggest problem I can see is a total shift in philosophy based on those injuries. Surely that can't be right?! I understand you need to be pragmatic with a weakened squad but changing your entire style? Come on. You're Manchester United for christ's sake and you had more than enough to be able to control more games than you did last year. You were routinely outplayed by many bottom half teams last year and that alone should make you question ETH.
When we played Chelsea at home in November, we went down to 9 men and continued playing a high line. Some would say that's absolute suicide, and sure, we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. I came away from that, not crestfallen at the result, but optimistic that we had focus, a real direction, a clear philosophy that can inform the recruitment team where to look for areas to strengthen. That single-mindedness from Ange, whilst sometimes messy and painful, is the very bedrock that change comes from. ETH's willingness to change his philosophy based on injuries I think is at the very heart of what's currently going wrong. Do the recruitment team now look for players to fine tune your counter-attacking squad, or pivot completely and look for those comfortable in a more controlled system? It causes fuzzy thinking.
The reason why it all worked for him at Ajax is because the philosophy was the club's, not his. He fit into their playing style, not the other way around. I'm just not sure he has the character and personality to drag the club with him down a path less travelled.
As someone who knows a lot about how Poch operates I'm frankly staggered you're not all clamouring for him to get the job. He'd be perfect. He'd be brilliantly aligned with the club's philosophy of youth development and he'd create a unity not seen at the club for a long time now and he plays more progressive, front-foot, controlled football. If anyone is suited to the role it's him. Way more than Tuchel and the laughable suggestion of Zidane.
Credit to you for your loyalty but you have to judge ETH on performances and not let the romance of the cup cloud your vision. As an outsider, I completely agree with the OP.
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Again completely spot on. I'd also question his achievements at Ajax, purely because it's such a terrible league. If you look a little closer also, you'll see he was terrible in Europe during his time there too. Not to mention bottling the UCL final to you lot when they were practically packing for Madrid.
The fact that the answer to the following question is a big fat NO should tell you why we have to sack him.
The question is:
If Ange left Spurs this summer and we sack ETH, would you want him at Tottenham next season?
Exactly.
Ten Hag out.
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
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Even with that Darren they've been in place since the middle of the season and have seen and considered at 1st hand what's happened on and off the pitch.
Other than we are now fa cup winners and qualified for europa league football what more would they have they learned about this season and eth since the Brighton game.
Seems to me the fact that only last week they've been talking to other managers shows they had already done their review
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 28 minutes ago
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
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Even with that Darren they've been in place since the middle of the season and have seen and considered at 1st hand what's happened on and off the pitch.
Other than we are now fa cup winners and qualified for europa league football what more would they have they learned about this season and eth since the Brighton game.
Seems to me the fact that only last week they've been talking to other managers shows they had already done their review
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I don't think Ineos would be human, if the FA Cup result didn't affect them a little bit. It may not change their mind, but it may have given them food for thought. We are all impatient for a decision, the Cup result hasn't changed my mind, and I hope it hasn't changed theirs, if it was to not retain ETH.
I have said before, to be so openly talking to so many potential other managers, isn't exactly the behaviour of supporting your current manager
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 35 minutes ago
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
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Even with that Darren they've been in place since the middle of the season and have seen and considered at 1st hand what's happened on and off the pitch.
Other than we are now fa cup winners and qualified for europa league football what more would they have they learned about this season and eth since the Brighton game.
Seems to me the fact that only last week they've been talking to other managers shows they had already done their review
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I understand that, but you’ve also got to consider where Barrada, Wilcox and Ashworth fit into the process as well. And technically speaking, they aren’t employed by the club yet.
It’s a peculiar situation, because it’s almost like Ten Hag is having to apply for the job again. And if the club are speaking with other candidates, it may be that they’ll want to have some idea of whether these coaches fit their criteria better than Ten Hag.
It’s a bit frustrating, but I can kind of understand why a decision hasn’t yet been announced. It appears to me that they’re considering multiple options, and I don’t think it’s particularly like the way the Glazers have conducted their decision making over the years.
When we played Chelsea at home in November, we went down to 9 men and continued playing a high line. Some would say that's absolute suicide, and sure, we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. I came away from that, not crestfallen at the result, but optimistic that we had focus, a real direction, a clear philosophy that can inform the recruitment team where to look for areas to strengthen. That single-mindedness from Ange, whilst sometimes messy and painful, is the very bedrock that change comes from. ETH's willingness to change his philosophy based on injuries I think is at the very heart of what's currently going wrong. Do the recruitment team now look for players to fine tune your counter-attacking squad, or pivot completely and look for those comfortable in a more controlled system? It causes fuzzy thinking.
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Understat had XG 0.96 vs 4.06 and scoreline was 1-4 so the scoreline reflected the game.
Man Utd played Chelsea at home XG 4.04 vs 2.35 and score was 2-1.
He's a joke. A pathetic Moby tribute act who tried to be a Right Said Fred tribute act but wasn't good enough.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 hours, 26 minutes ago
I’d argue they do their best work defending the box anyway.
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Martinez is probably the exemption there, he's good in a high line, has enough anticipation and pace not to worry too much about the ball behind and he is great at winning the ball back early, not to mention his ability on the ball.
It's been a big issue for ETH and one of the main reasons for the gap between the defence and midfield, the rest naturally drop due to their lack of pace.
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Nah Martinez is much better defending the box. His lack of pace is an issue when defending higher up the pitch, and he doesn’t win enough in the air to snuff out those counters before they develop.
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He's usually the aggressor in such partnerships though and I do feel he is good at that role of reading the attacker and pinching the ball.
You could probably argue most defenders are better at defending their box, as it's a lot easier.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 hours, 26 minutes ago
I’d argue they do their best work defending the box anyway.
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Martinez is probably the exemption there, he's good in a high line, has enough anticipation and pace not to worry too much about the ball behind and he is great at winning the ball back early, not to mention his ability on the ball.
It's been a big issue for ETH and one of the main reasons for the gap between the defence and midfield, the rest naturally drop due to their lack of pace.
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Nah Martinez is much better defending the box. His lack of pace is an issue when defending higher up the pitch, and he doesn’t win enough in the air to snuff out those counters before they develop.
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He's usually the aggressor in such partnerships though and I do feel he is good at that role of reading the attacker and pinching the ball.
You could probably argue most defenders are better at defending their box, as it's a lot easier.
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Some do, and some are actually more suited to defending higher up the pitch. I think Martinez is part of the issue with the defensive line, but by no means the worst offender.
we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested.
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Jackson should have had six just on his own. 4-1 flattered Spurs if anything, they got absolutely battered.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/chancenverwertung/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2019
Arteta kept his job after negative football.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/chancenverwertung/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2022
Ten Hag who is clueless somehow is top while Arteta bottom lol.
Sky
Manchester United’s entire non-football staff have been invited to take redundancy in an email sent across the club on Tuesday afternoon, according to The Athletic.
United are giving employees just seven days to make a decision about whether they wish to continue their careers at the club.
The offer relates to all employees who are not a scout or on the playing staff, and therefore impacts some who work at the club’s Carrington training complex.
Employees have been given until June 5 to decide whether to take what the club describe as 'voluntary resignation', although some employees argued it looked more like a voluntary redundancy programme.
Sir Jim Ratcliffe — who completed his minority investment in the club in February — is seeking to bring United’s costs down as part of a restructuring process, with the club losing £42m despite posting healthy overall revenue.
Earlier this month, United’s staff were told by Ratcliffe that working from home would no longer be permitted and subsequent emails insisted staff must return to the office by June 1 at all locations, including the club’s offices at Old Trafford and in London, as well as Carrington.
INEOS is looking to trim the club’s staff count from more than 1,000. United hope the savings can help them better fit into both Premier League and UEFA financial regulations, as well as allowing for greater investment in the playing squad.
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 16 minutes ago
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Manchester United’s entire non-football staff have been invited to take redundancy in an email sent across the club on Tuesday afternoon, according to The Athletic.
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Wait, what?
Only a couple of days or so ago, someone was posting here that United was on a recruitment drive and targeting City employees.
Seriously, fair do's to Ratcliffe though. Only owning 20-odd percent of the club and is able to systematically do whatever he wants. Shows how impotent the Glazers are - not a good optic of them to the world of business world.
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posted on 28/5/24
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
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Not really. The Glazers wouldn’t have done anything considered like a review and would have just sacked him after the full time whistle.
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Maybe ETH is so single-minded that he thinks he can persuade Ineos that he is the guy in such a scenario, but it's asking a lot of any manager to work in such circumstances."
This is my feeling, and I expect ETH will have the self confidence to turn them around. Ultimately if they're "forced" to stick with him, and he's winning games next season, it'll be hard to replace him.
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If Ineos end up sticking with him, would they not need to extend his contract, because if not, that effectively tells him, you're only here because we can't find anyone else. Because if ETH did do well (who knows what is considered 'well', he could at the end of next season just say, I don't want to work under you, I'm off elsewhere for nothing.
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 hours, 26 minutes ago
I’d argue they do their best work defending the box anyway.
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Martinez is probably the exemption there, he's good in a high line, has enough anticipation and pace not to worry too much about the ball behind and he is great at winning the ball back early, not to mention his ability on the ball.
It's been a big issue for ETH and one of the main reasons for the gap between the defence and midfield, the rest naturally drop due to their lack of pace.
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Nah Martinez is much better defending the box. His lack of pace is an issue when defending higher up the pitch, and he doesn’t win enough in the air to snuff out those counters before they develop.
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
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Not really. The Glazers wouldn’t have done anything considered like a review and would have just sacked him after the full time whistle.
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Their transfer windows were long drawn out fiascos which this is starting to resemble
Either the cup win was the deciding factor in their decision to keep eth or it wasn't
The reviews should have been done already
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ineos handling of this appears to be no better than the people they've replaced
Make a decision you cants
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Not really. The Glazers wouldn’t have done anything considered like a review and would have just sacked him after the full time whistle.
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Their transfer windows were long drawn out fiascos which this is starting to resemble
Either the cup win was the deciding factor in their decision to keep eth or it wasn't
The reviews should have been done already
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
posted on 28/5/24
As an impartial Spurs fan, I'm amazed there are so many fans in support of keeping Ten Hag. On the face of it, yeah two trophies in two seasons sound great but that's because you have very talented individuals that can win any game on any given day. Let's face it, you rode your luck getting to Wembley in the first place.
Personally I wouldn't even focus on the trophies. They're a distraction. Your performances actually make an 8th place finish flattering. That's the truth of it. Of all the top flight leagues around Europe, only Sheff United have a worse record in terms of shots faced this season. I'll say it again - that's EVERY top flight league in Europe.
Now I know you've had your injuries, sure, more than most I'd imagine but the biggest problem I can see is a total shift in philosophy based on those injuries. Surely that can't be right?! I understand you need to be pragmatic with a weakened squad but changing your entire style? Come on. You're Manchester United for christ's sake and you had more than enough to be able to control more games than you did last year. You were routinely outplayed by many bottom half teams last year and that alone should make you question ETH.
When we played Chelsea at home in November, we went down to 9 men and continued playing a high line. Some would say that's absolute suicide, and sure, we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. I came away from that, not crestfallen at the result, but optimistic that we had focus, a real direction, a clear philosophy that can inform the recruitment team where to look for areas to strengthen. That single-mindedness from Ange, whilst sometimes messy and painful, is the very bedrock that change comes from. ETH's willingness to change his philosophy based on injuries I think is at the very heart of what's currently going wrong. Do the recruitment team now look for players to fine tune your counter-attacking squad, or pivot completely and look for those comfortable in a more controlled system? It causes fuzzy thinking.
The reason why it all worked for him at Ajax is because the philosophy was the club's, not his. He fit into their playing style, not the other way around. I'm just not sure he has the character and personality to drag the club with him down a path less travelled.
As someone who knows a lot about how Poch operates I'm frankly staggered you're not all clamouring for him to get the job. He'd be perfect. He'd be brilliantly aligned with the club's philosophy of youth development and he'd create a unity not seen at the club for a long time now and he plays more progressive, front-foot, controlled football. If anyone is suited to the role it's him. Way more than Tuchel and the laughable suggestion of Zidane .
Credit to you for your loyalty but you have to judge ETH on performances and not let the romance of the cup cloud your vision. As an outsider, I completely agree with the OP.
posted on 28/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 24 seconds ago
As an impartial Spurs fan, I'm amazed there are so many fans in support of keeping Ten Hag. On the face of it, yeah two trophies in two seasons sound great but that's because you have very talented individuals that can win any game on any given day. Let's face it, you rode your luck getting to Wembley in the first place.
Personally I wouldn't even focus on the trophies. They're a distraction. Your performances actually make an 8th place finish flattering. That's the truth of it. Of all the top flight leagues around Europe, only Sheff United have a worse record in terms of shots faced this season. I'll say it again - that's EVERY top flight league in Europe.
Now I know you've had your injuries, sure, more than most I'd imagine but the biggest problem I can see is a total shift in philosophy based on those injuries. Surely that can't be right?! I understand you need to be pragmatic with a weakened squad but changing your entire style? Come on. You're Manchester United for christ's sake and you had more than enough to be able to control more games than you did last year. You were routinely outplayed by many bottom half teams last year and that alone should make you question ETH.
When we played Chelsea at home in November, we went down to 9 men and continued playing a high line. Some would say that's absolute suicide, and sure, we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. I came away from that, not crestfallen at the result, but optimistic that we had focus, a real direction, a clear philosophy that can inform the recruitment team where to look for areas to strengthen. That single-mindedness from Ange, whilst sometimes messy and painful, is the very bedrock that change comes from. ETH's willingness to change his philosophy based on injuries I think is at the very heart of what's currently going wrong. Do the recruitment team now look for players to fine tune your counter-attacking squad, or pivot completely and look for those comfortable in a more controlled system? It causes fuzzy thinking.
The reason why it all worked for him at Ajax is because the philosophy was the club's, not his. He fit into their playing style, not the other way around. I'm just not sure he has the character and personality to drag the club with him down a path less travelled.
As someone who knows a lot about how Poch operates I'm frankly staggered you're not all clamouring for him to get the job. He'd be perfect. He'd be brilliantly aligned with the club's philosophy of youth development and he'd create a unity not seen at the club for a long time now and he plays more progressive, front-foot, controlled football. If anyone is suited to the role it's him. Way more than Tuchel and the laughable suggestion of Zidane.
Credit to you for your loyalty but you have to judge ETH on performances and not let the romance of the cup cloud your vision. As an outsider, I completely agree with the OP.
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Again completely spot on. I'd also question his achievements at Ajax, purely because it's such a terrible league. If you look a little closer also, you'll see he was terrible in Europe during his time there too. Not to mention bottling the UCL final to you lot when they were practically packing for Madrid.
The fact that the answer to the following question is a big fat NO should tell you why we have to sack him.
The question is:
If Ange left Spurs this summer and we sack ETH, would you want him at Tottenham next season?
Exactly.
Ten Hag out.
posted on 28/5/24
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
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Even with that Darren they've been in place since the middle of the season and have seen and considered at 1st hand what's happened on and off the pitch.
Other than we are now fa cup winners and qualified for europa league football what more would they have they learned about this season and eth since the Brighton game.
Seems to me the fact that only last week they've been talking to other managers shows they had already done their review
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 28 minutes ago
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
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Even with that Darren they've been in place since the middle of the season and have seen and considered at 1st hand what's happened on and off the pitch.
Other than we are now fa cup winners and qualified for europa league football what more would they have they learned about this season and eth since the Brighton game.
Seems to me the fact that only last week they've been talking to other managers shows they had already done their review
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I don't think Ineos would be human, if the FA Cup result didn't affect them a little bit. It may not change their mind, but it may have given them food for thought. We are all impatient for a decision, the Cup result hasn't changed my mind, and I hope it hasn't changed theirs, if it was to not retain ETH.
I have said before, to be so openly talking to so many potential other managers, isn't exactly the behaviour of supporting your current manager
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 35 minutes ago
It’s a bit different when the changes all happened in the middle of the season.
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Even with that Darren they've been in place since the middle of the season and have seen and considered at 1st hand what's happened on and off the pitch.
Other than we are now fa cup winners and qualified for europa league football what more would they have they learned about this season and eth since the Brighton game.
Seems to me the fact that only last week they've been talking to other managers shows they had already done their review
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I understand that, but you’ve also got to consider where Barrada, Wilcox and Ashworth fit into the process as well. And technically speaking, they aren’t employed by the club yet.
It’s a peculiar situation, because it’s almost like Ten Hag is having to apply for the job again. And if the club are speaking with other candidates, it may be that they’ll want to have some idea of whether these coaches fit their criteria better than Ten Hag.
It’s a bit frustrating, but I can kind of understand why a decision hasn’t yet been announced. It appears to me that they’re considering multiple options, and I don’t think it’s particularly like the way the Glazers have conducted their decision making over the years.
posted on 28/5/24
When we played Chelsea at home in November, we went down to 9 men and continued playing a high line. Some would say that's absolute suicide, and sure, we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested. I came away from that, not crestfallen at the result, but optimistic that we had focus, a real direction, a clear philosophy that can inform the recruitment team where to look for areas to strengthen. That single-mindedness from Ange, whilst sometimes messy and painful, is the very bedrock that change comes from. ETH's willingness to change his philosophy based on injuries I think is at the very heart of what's currently going wrong. Do the recruitment team now look for players to fine tune your counter-attacking squad, or pivot completely and look for those comfortable in a more controlled system? It causes fuzzy thinking.
.........
Understat had XG 0.96 vs 4.06 and scoreline was 1-4 so the scoreline reflected the game.
Man Utd played Chelsea at home XG 4.04 vs 2.35 and score was 2-1.
posted on 28/5/24
He's a joke. A pathetic Moby tribute act who tried to be a Right Said Fred tribute act but wasn't good enough.
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 hours, 26 minutes ago
I’d argue they do their best work defending the box anyway.
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Martinez is probably the exemption there, he's good in a high line, has enough anticipation and pace not to worry too much about the ball behind and he is great at winning the ball back early, not to mention his ability on the ball.
It's been a big issue for ETH and one of the main reasons for the gap between the defence and midfield, the rest naturally drop due to their lack of pace.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah Martinez is much better defending the box. His lack of pace is an issue when defending higher up the pitch, and he doesn’t win enough in the air to snuff out those counters before they develop.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's usually the aggressor in such partnerships though and I do feel he is good at that role of reading the attacker and pinching the ball.
You could probably argue most defenders are better at defending their box, as it's a lot easier.
posted on 28/5/24
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I’d argue they do their best work defending the box anyway.
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Martinez is probably the exemption there, he's good in a high line, has enough anticipation and pace not to worry too much about the ball behind and he is great at winning the ball back early, not to mention his ability on the ball.
It's been a big issue for ETH and one of the main reasons for the gap between the defence and midfield, the rest naturally drop due to their lack of pace.
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Nah Martinez is much better defending the box. His lack of pace is an issue when defending higher up the pitch, and he doesn’t win enough in the air to snuff out those counters before they develop.
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He's usually the aggressor in such partnerships though and I do feel he is good at that role of reading the attacker and pinching the ball.
You could probably argue most defenders are better at defending their box, as it's a lot easier.
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Some do, and some are actually more suited to defending higher up the pitch. I think Martinez is part of the issue with the defensive line, but by no means the worst offender.
posted on 28/5/24
we lost the game 4-1 but it was a lot closer than the scoreline suggested.
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Jackson should have had six just on his own. 4-1 flattered Spurs if anything, they got absolutely battered.
posted on 28/5/24
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/chancenverwertung/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2019
Arteta kept his job after negative football.
posted on 28/5/24
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/chancenverwertung/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2022
Ten Hag who is clueless somehow is top while Arteta bottom lol.
posted on 28/5/24
Sky
Manchester United’s entire non-football staff have been invited to take redundancy in an email sent across the club on Tuesday afternoon, according to The Athletic.
United are giving employees just seven days to make a decision about whether they wish to continue their careers at the club.
The offer relates to all employees who are not a scout or on the playing staff, and therefore impacts some who work at the club’s Carrington training complex.
Employees have been given until June 5 to decide whether to take what the club describe as 'voluntary resignation', although some employees argued it looked more like a voluntary redundancy programme.
Sir Jim Ratcliffe — who completed his minority investment in the club in February — is seeking to bring United’s costs down as part of a restructuring process, with the club losing £42m despite posting healthy overall revenue.
Earlier this month, United’s staff were told by Ratcliffe that working from home would no longer be permitted and subsequent emails insisted staff must return to the office by June 1 at all locations, including the club’s offices at Old Trafford and in London, as well as Carrington.
INEOS is looking to trim the club’s staff count from more than 1,000. United hope the savings can help them better fit into both Premier League and UEFA financial regulations, as well as allowing for greater investment in the playing squad.
posted on 28/5/24
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
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Sky
Manchester United’s entire non-football staff have been invited to take redundancy in an email sent across the club on Tuesday afternoon, according to The Athletic.
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Wait, what?
Only a couple of days or so ago, someone was posting here that United was on a recruitment drive and targeting City employees.
Seriously, fair do's to Ratcliffe though. Only owning 20-odd percent of the club and is able to systematically do whatever he wants. Shows how impotent the Glazers are - not a good optic of them to the world of business world.
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