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comment by kinsang (U3346)
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For me it was 'more a pen than not', but Armstrong seem more interested in trying to get the pen rather than score. I don't know if he was a touch offside also, but it shouldn't overshadow what was a negative disappointing display from Scot who didn't create much at all.
Hungary were disappointing also. Maybe the occasion got to both teams, but it was like lets just play for a draw until the last 15-20 mins and then go for it.
Shankland showed great energy when he came on and probably deserved more time in all the games. But compared to other teams, Sco looked so negative and lacking ideas. I never liked the approach of let's go for 4 points - settling for a draw against Swi, when they copuld have been more positive towards the end, and having so much of the ball against Hungary and not doing much with it.
Clarke will deflect to the pen decision, but ultimately Sco didn't go for it enough in the last 2 games and whilst the fans will be missed, the team won't in terms of football it produced.
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It was a penalty. Or should I say it should have been. That aside we played like a bunch of terrified weans who’d just met each other that morning and had been told not to try anything sill like take a risk.
In a must win game. That’s down to the manager. He has to go imo.
We don’t have the belief that we’ll ever be anything but one of the least fancied teams at a tournament and therefore we have no expectations other than having a great trip with mates and hopefully at least giving it our best shot on the pitch.
Last night as in many games under Clarke was embarrassing. Abysmal and unforgivable at the national level.
Him whining about the one penalty incident doesn’t excuse the piiish we have to endure on the pitch, let alone his soor faced fizzer.
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I agree, it was a pen all day, but I reckon even if you had scored it, you would have conceded anyway as the Hungarians would have thrown everyone at it and I can’t see you lot holding out.
Not sure what Scotland do, you just don’t produce attacking players of calibre anymore. Sure population size plays a part - but Croatia are smaller than you and can’t stop schitting out top players. You have the world’s most expensive league next door crammed with world class players and managers - yet you aren’t producing. Adams, Dykes, Shankland - do me a favour, these lads wouldn’t get near other squads outside of Georgia.
Got to go for Portugal as my favourites, look at their defense and midfield, and up front they are very dangerous, even without CR7. Spain have looked ok, but not overly impressive, same same Germany.
Holland ,France and England ,cannot be discounted.
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People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Got to go for Portugal as my favourites, look at their defense and midfield, and up front they are very dangerous, even without CR7. Spain have looked ok, but not overly impressive, same same Germany.
Holland ,France and England ,cannot be discounted.
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Portugal struggled in that first game and then the Turks handed the second game to them.
I agree they are the ones to watch, but their route is as tough as it gets. They will get the 3rd placed side from group B in the rd16 - so Italy or Croatia. Then in the Quarters it’s likely to be Holland or France. The semi will be Spain or Germany and then the final is likely to be an elite side.
All with Bobby Martinez calling the shots and Ronaldo playing every minute.
Very tough.
I think the Dutch will go further than expected, England will go further than currently expected and France will make the semis as well. Portugal/Spain/Germany/Croatia/Belgium/Holland - all on the same side of the draw - it’s incredible
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People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Could have started last Sunday to give you even more confidence no?
Because it’s worked in all the previous tournaments.
Anyways; I’m not going into a daft tiiit for tat thing here because you should be winning this thing or at least have won it in the past. We know we’ll never be one of those elite teams. I’d just be happy with putting in our best performances when we get there. Not our worst.
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comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
For me it was 'more a pen than not', but Armstrong seem more interested in trying to get the pen rather than score. I don't know if he was a touch offside also, but it shouldn't overshadow what was a negative disappointing display from Scot who didn't create much at all.
Hungary were disappointing also. Maybe the occasion got to both teams, but it was like lets just play for a draw until the last 15-20 mins and then go for it.
Shankland showed great energy when he came on and probably deserved more time in all the games. But compared to other teams, Sco looked so negative and lacking ideas. I never liked the approach of let's go for 4 points - settling for a draw against Swi, when they copuld have been more positive towards the end, and having so much of the ball against Hungary and not doing much with it.
Clarke will deflect to the pen decision, but ultimately Sco didn't go for it enough in the last 2 games and whilst the fans will be missed, the team won't in terms of football it produced.
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It was a penalty. Or should I say it should have been. That aside we played like a bunch of terrified weans who’d just met each other that morning and had been told not to try anything sill like take a risk.
In a must win game. That’s down to the manager. He has to go imo.
We don’t have the belief that we’ll ever be anything but one of the least fancied teams at a tournament and therefore we have no expectations other than having a great trip with mates and hopefully at least giving it our best shot on the pitch.
Last night as in many games under Clarke was embarrassing. Abysmal and unforgivable at the national level.
Him whining about the one penalty incident doesn’t excuse the piiish we have to endure on the pitch, let alone his soor faced fizzer.
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I agree, it was a pen all day, but I reckon even if you had scored it, you would have conceded anyway as the Hungarians would have thrown everyone at it and I can’t see you lot holding out.
Not sure what Scotland do, you just don’t produce attacking players of calibre anymore. Sure population size plays a part - but Croatia are smaller than you and can’t stop schitting out top players. You have the world’s most expensive league next door crammed with world class players and managers - yet you aren’t producing. Adams, Dykes, Shankland - do me a favour, these lads wouldn’t get near other squads outside of Georgia.
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What we should start with is changing the manager to one who plays to the players abilities at their club levels. Not one who’d faint if his own shadow appeared in front of him.
I think Scotland did what they could with the side they had. Game yesterday could’ve gone either way, subs were good and at the right time and they conceded going for a goal at the end.
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posted 41 minutes ago
I think Scotland did what they could with the side they had. Game yesterday could’ve gone either way, subs were good and at the right time and they conceded going for a goal at the end.
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No way, Scotland did nothing in possession other than slow the game down and let the Hungarians get more men behind the ball.
Being brave would have been going at it from the off, getting players up and around Che Adam’s - bcos the last thing you want that guy doing is shooting. Get him to lay it off to McTominay and McGinn.
Instead they spent 75 mins containing Hungary, then took off Adam’s and McGinn for inferior attacking players - whilst still desperately needing a goal.
It was Graham Taylor 1992 all over again - Taking Lineker off whilst we’re chasing a goal
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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posted 37 minutes ago
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Anything short of reaching the final after that list will mean you have failed miserably yet again. Scotland came fourth in a group where they were fourth best, so expected really. You could still outdo us in the failure stakes this tournament.
As for Scotland. Being a well drilled safety first side is what got us to the tournament. Problem is when we have to push it we don't have the ability or mind set right now.
It is a gamblers dream the next few days now of course. You can guarantee Spain, Italy, Portugal and Turkey winning which would have put Scotland through had they not conceded that late late goal.
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People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Anything short of reaching the final after that list will mean you have failed miserably yet again. Scotland came fourth in a group where they were fourth best, so expected really. You could still outdo us in the failure stakes this tournament.
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I don’t think that’s the case if France beat us in the Semi. Other than that I would agree.
Mbappe is like a cheat code, if he is on it then no side in the world can cope
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It is a gamblers dream the next few days now of course. You can guarantee Spain, Italy, Portugal and Turkey winning which would have put Scotland through had they not conceded that late late goal.
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I’m hesitant - Spain and Portugal have already won their groups, they will be much changed. But you’re probably right given it’s Albania and Georgia - I wouldn’t touch it though as there is no value.
Croatia have to win and have big game players, I wouldn’t be shocked if they nicked a win tonight.
I’ve watched Turkey twice and haven’t been impressed, the Czechs aren’t great, but can certainly get a result.
Some of the potential last 16 ties look easy money though:
Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
Germany vs Denmark - Germany
England vs Slovakia - England
France vs whoever - France
Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
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I wouldn't bet on it
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Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
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I wouldn't bet on it
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Would go Swiss all day long
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Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
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I wouldn't bet on it
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Would go Swiss all day long
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I would get great odds on Croatia and I would back them big time.
Pre tournament, if I said England could play Croatia or Switzerland in the final, you decide. To a man people would have said Switzerland.
They might not even get through tonight, but if they do make the knockouts they are as dangerous as faaaack - they would deal with the Swiss imo - I hope it the game comes to fruition
Croatia are rubbish in the Euros, they’ve never even won a knockout game. I’d fancy Switzerland over them.
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comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
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I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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Nothing to do with the teams. I was going for Scotland and shouting for a penalty, until I saw a replay.
Wouldn't they have had to think it was a clear and obvious error to call the referee over?
Fast or slow, if Armstrong was running at full pelt it wouldn't have happened. He stopped, seemingly to make a collision unavoidable. But even when it came, it looked like it was just the upper legs, rather than a trip or anything. And though you might say Armstrong's shirt-pulling came after the contact, it may have added to the view that it was six of one, half a dozen of the other.
It could easily have been given, of course, but it was by no means this "blatant" penalty people have been talking about.
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Croatia are rubbish in the Euros, they’ve never even won a knockout game. I’d fancy Switzerland over them.
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Switzerland gave Scotland a point and were the width of the post away from it being all 3
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I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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Nothing to do with the teams. I was going for Scotland and shouting for a penalty, until I saw a replay.
Wouldn't they have had to think it was a clear and obvious error to call the referee over?
Fast or slow, if Armstrong was running at full pelt it wouldn't have happened. He stopped, seemingly to make a collision unavoidable. But even when it came, it looked like it was just the upper legs, rather than a trip or anything. And though you might say Armstrong's shirt-pulling came after the contact, it may have added to the view that it was six of one, half a dozen of the other.
It could easily have been given, of course, but it was by no means this "blatant" penalty people have been talking about.
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Anywhere else on the pitch and the ref gives a free kick
And were a few minutes away from beating Germany, swings and roundabouts.
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I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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Nothing to do with the teams. I was going for Scotland and shouting for a penalty, until I saw a replay.
Wouldn't they have had to think it was a clear and obvious error to call the referee over?
Fast or slow, if Armstrong was running at full pelt it wouldn't have happened. He stopped, seemingly to make a collision unavoidable. But even when it came, it looked like it was just the upper legs, rather than a trip or anything. And though you might say Armstrong's shirt-pulling came after the contact, it may have added to the view that it was six of one, half a dozen of the other.
It could easily have been given, of course, but it was by no means this "blatant" penalty people have been talking about.
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Anywhere else on the pitch and the ref gives a free kick
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Probably, yes. That doesn't always mean a lot though, given what you can get a free-kick for though.
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Croatia are rubbish in the Euros, they’ve never even won a knockout game. I’d fancy Switzerland over them.
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Switzerland gave Scotland a point and were the width of the post away from it being all 3
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They're still a solid team. And they were a fractional offside (Embolo) from beating Scotland as well.
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posted on 24/6/24
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For me it was 'more a pen than not', but Armstrong seem more interested in trying to get the pen rather than score. I don't know if he was a touch offside also, but it shouldn't overshadow what was a negative disappointing display from Scot who didn't create much at all.
Hungary were disappointing also. Maybe the occasion got to both teams, but it was like lets just play for a draw until the last 15-20 mins and then go for it.
Shankland showed great energy when he came on and probably deserved more time in all the games. But compared to other teams, Sco looked so negative and lacking ideas. I never liked the approach of let's go for 4 points - settling for a draw against Swi, when they copuld have been more positive towards the end, and having so much of the ball against Hungary and not doing much with it.
Clarke will deflect to the pen decision, but ultimately Sco didn't go for it enough in the last 2 games and whilst the fans will be missed, the team won't in terms of football it produced.
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It was a penalty. Or should I say it should have been. That aside we played like a bunch of terrified weans who’d just met each other that morning and had been told not to try anything sill like take a risk.
In a must win game. That’s down to the manager. He has to go imo.
We don’t have the belief that we’ll ever be anything but one of the least fancied teams at a tournament and therefore we have no expectations other than having a great trip with mates and hopefully at least giving it our best shot on the pitch.
Last night as in many games under Clarke was embarrassing. Abysmal and unforgivable at the national level.
Him whining about the one penalty incident doesn’t excuse the piiish we have to endure on the pitch, let alone his soor faced fizzer.
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I agree, it was a pen all day, but I reckon even if you had scored it, you would have conceded anyway as the Hungarians would have thrown everyone at it and I can’t see you lot holding out.
Not sure what Scotland do, you just don’t produce attacking players of calibre anymore. Sure population size plays a part - but Croatia are smaller than you and can’t stop schitting out top players. You have the world’s most expensive league next door crammed with world class players and managers - yet you aren’t producing. Adams, Dykes, Shankland - do me a favour, these lads wouldn’t get near other squads outside of Georgia.
posted on 24/6/24
Got to go for Portugal as my favourites, look at their defense and midfield, and up front they are very dangerous, even without CR7. Spain have looked ok, but not overly impressive, same same Germany.
Holland ,France and England ,cannot be discounted.
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People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
posted on 24/6/24
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 4 minutes ago
Got to go for Portugal as my favourites, look at their defense and midfield, and up front they are very dangerous, even without CR7. Spain have looked ok, but not overly impressive, same same Germany.
Holland ,France and England ,cannot be discounted.
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Portugal struggled in that first game and then the Turks handed the second game to them.
I agree they are the ones to watch, but their route is as tough as it gets. They will get the 3rd placed side from group B in the rd16 - so Italy or Croatia. Then in the Quarters it’s likely to be Holland or France. The semi will be Spain or Germany and then the final is likely to be an elite side.
All with Bobby Martinez calling the shots and Ronaldo playing every minute.
Very tough.
I think the Dutch will go further than expected, England will go further than currently expected and France will make the semis as well. Portugal/Spain/Germany/Croatia/Belgium/Holland - all on the same side of the draw - it’s incredible
posted on 24/6/24
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posted 41 seconds ago
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Could have started last Sunday to give you even more confidence no?
Because it’s worked in all the previous tournaments.
Anyways; I’m not going into a daft tiiit for tat thing here because you should be winning this thing or at least have won it in the past. We know we’ll never be one of those elite teams. I’d just be happy with putting in our best performances when we get there. Not our worst.
posted on 24/6/24
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
For me it was 'more a pen than not', but Armstrong seem more interested in trying to get the pen rather than score. I don't know if he was a touch offside also, but it shouldn't overshadow what was a negative disappointing display from Scot who didn't create much at all.
Hungary were disappointing also. Maybe the occasion got to both teams, but it was like lets just play for a draw until the last 15-20 mins and then go for it.
Shankland showed great energy when he came on and probably deserved more time in all the games. But compared to other teams, Sco looked so negative and lacking ideas. I never liked the approach of let's go for 4 points - settling for a draw against Swi, when they copuld have been more positive towards the end, and having so much of the ball against Hungary and not doing much with it.
Clarke will deflect to the pen decision, but ultimately Sco didn't go for it enough in the last 2 games and whilst the fans will be missed, the team won't in terms of football it produced.
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It was a penalty. Or should I say it should have been. That aside we played like a bunch of terrified weans who’d just met each other that morning and had been told not to try anything sill like take a risk.
In a must win game. That’s down to the manager. He has to go imo.
We don’t have the belief that we’ll ever be anything but one of the least fancied teams at a tournament and therefore we have no expectations other than having a great trip with mates and hopefully at least giving it our best shot on the pitch.
Last night as in many games under Clarke was embarrassing. Abysmal and unforgivable at the national level.
Him whining about the one penalty incident doesn’t excuse the piiish we have to endure on the pitch, let alone his soor faced fizzer.
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I agree, it was a pen all day, but I reckon even if you had scored it, you would have conceded anyway as the Hungarians would have thrown everyone at it and I can’t see you lot holding out.
Not sure what Scotland do, you just don’t produce attacking players of calibre anymore. Sure population size plays a part - but Croatia are smaller than you and can’t stop schitting out top players. You have the world’s most expensive league next door crammed with world class players and managers - yet you aren’t producing. Adams, Dykes, Shankland - do me a favour, these lads wouldn’t get near other squads outside of Georgia.
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What we should start with is changing the manager to one who plays to the players abilities at their club levels. Not one who’d faint if his own shadow appeared in front of him.
posted on 24/6/24
I think Scotland did what they could with the side they had. Game yesterday could’ve gone either way, subs were good and at the right time and they conceded going for a goal at the end.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
I think Scotland did what they could with the side they had. Game yesterday could’ve gone either way, subs were good and at the right time and they conceded going for a goal at the end.
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No way, Scotland did nothing in possession other than slow the game down and let the Hungarians get more men behind the ball.
Being brave would have been going at it from the off, getting players up and around Che Adam’s - bcos the last thing you want that guy doing is shooting. Get him to lay it off to McTominay and McGinn.
Instead they spent 75 mins containing Hungary, then took off Adam’s and McGinn for inferior attacking players - whilst still desperately needing a goal.
It was Graham Taylor 1992 all over again - Taking Lineker off whilst we’re chasing a goal
posted on 24/6/24
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 37 minutes ago
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
posted on 24/6/24
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 seconds ago
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Anything short of reaching the final after that list will mean you have failed miserably yet again. Scotland came fourth in a group where they were fourth best, so expected really. You could still outdo us in the failure stakes this tournament.
posted on 24/6/24
As for Scotland. Being a well drilled safety first side is what got us to the tournament. Problem is when we have to push it we don't have the ability or mind set right now.
posted on 24/6/24
It is a gamblers dream the next few days now of course. You can guarantee Spain, Italy, Portugal and Turkey winning which would have put Scotland through had they not conceded that late late goal.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 54 minutes ago
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posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
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posted 37 seconds ago
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posted 41 seconds ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
People keep missing this - England got a fantastic draw compared to some of the other nations.
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Probably because it happens with such regularity.
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And this is because there are, at a stretch, 8 other nations that the general consensus would consider to be tricky at the euros. Most of them are seeded, so you only get 1, maybe 2 groups of death maximum, out of a possible 6.
Then if you win the group, you usually avoid the other top seeds next round too.
In theory England should only expect a "tough" draw from the QFs onwards, but that's assuming that none of the top seeds struggle.
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Absolutely - 1 group of death and England avoided it - not much of a surprise is it.
Put us in any of those groups at the expense of the other seeded side and we progress. Group B we would get 4 points I reckon, Group D I would say 4/5 points and the rest would be 6 minimum.
It’s hilarious hearing Scottish fans talking about the ease of our routes - that same easy route was open to them in 2021. They had 2 average sides in their group this time and all they could do was talk about how great the Hungarians are - which hasn’t come to pass.
England are in a weird self imposed “turmoil” because we haven’t won 5-0 yet.
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I know mate.
And like us you’ve never won the tournament either, although it’s “hilarious” hearing many English fans thinking they are a stick on to win it every time it comes around
Silly football fans eh?
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We haven’t, but the confidence comes from being one of the truly elite football nations - 1 of only 8 with the little star. Having some of the best players in the world and some of the best club sides in the world.
I mean we have Real Madrids star man, La Liga player of the year, Champions league winner. We have the top scorer in the Bundesliga, who has won the golden boot multiple times in England also. We have the Prem player of the year. We have £100m Rice, we Have Saka. We have half the all conquering Man City defence.
That’s why there is noise. We just need to start playing from next Saturday
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Anything short of reaching the final after that list will mean you have failed miserably yet again. Scotland came fourth in a group where they were fourth best, so expected really. You could still outdo us in the failure stakes this tournament.
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I don’t think that’s the case if France beat us in the Semi. Other than that I would agree.
Mbappe is like a cheat code, if he is on it then no side in the world can cope
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 46 minutes ago
It is a gamblers dream the next few days now of course. You can guarantee Spain, Italy, Portugal and Turkey winning which would have put Scotland through had they not conceded that late late goal.
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I’m hesitant - Spain and Portugal have already won their groups, they will be much changed. But you’re probably right given it’s Albania and Georgia - I wouldn’t touch it though as there is no value.
Croatia have to win and have big game players, I wouldn’t be shocked if they nicked a win tonight.
I’ve watched Turkey twice and haven’t been impressed, the Czechs aren’t great, but can certainly get a result.
Some of the potential last 16 ties look easy money though:
Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
Germany vs Denmark - Germany
England vs Slovakia - England
France vs whoever - France
posted on 24/6/24
Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
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I wouldn't bet on it
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 51 minutes ago
Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
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I wouldn't bet on it
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Would go Swiss all day long
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 51 minutes ago
Croatia vs Switzerland - Croatia
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I wouldn't bet on it
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Would go Swiss all day long
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I would get great odds on Croatia and I would back them big time.
Pre tournament, if I said England could play Croatia or Switzerland in the final, you decide. To a man people would have said Switzerland.
They might not even get through tonight, but if they do make the knockouts they are as dangerous as faaaack - they would deal with the Swiss imo - I hope it the game comes to fruition
posted on 24/6/24
Croatia are rubbish in the Euros, they’ve never even won a knockout game. I’d fancy Switzerland over them.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 37 minutes ago
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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Nothing to do with the teams. I was going for Scotland and shouting for a penalty, until I saw a replay.
Wouldn't they have had to think it was a clear and obvious error to call the referee over?
Fast or slow, if Armstrong was running at full pelt it wouldn't have happened. He stopped, seemingly to make a collision unavoidable. But even when it came, it looked like it was just the upper legs, rather than a trip or anything. And though you might say Armstrong's shirt-pulling came after the contact, it may have added to the view that it was six of one, half a dozen of the other.
It could easily have been given, of course, but it was by no means this "blatant" penalty people have been talking about.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Croatia are rubbish in the Euros, they’ve never even won a knockout game. I’d fancy Switzerland over them.
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Switzerland gave Scotland a point and were the width of the post away from it being all 3
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 37 minutes ago
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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Nothing to do with the teams. I was going for Scotland and shouting for a penalty, until I saw a replay.
Wouldn't they have had to think it was a clear and obvious error to call the referee over?
Fast or slow, if Armstrong was running at full pelt it wouldn't have happened. He stopped, seemingly to make a collision unavoidable. But even when it came, it looked like it was just the upper legs, rather than a trip or anything. And though you might say Armstrong's shirt-pulling came after the contact, it may have added to the view that it was six of one, half a dozen of the other.
It could easily have been given, of course, but it was by no means this "blatant" penalty people have been talking about.
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Anywhere else on the pitch and the ref gives a free kick
posted on 24/6/24
And were a few minutes away from beating Germany, swings and roundabouts.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 37 minutes ago
I'm not sure about this "stonewall penalty". Thought it was at first, but Armstrong makes a really weird movement and the collision is just the upper part of the legs while the defender is running. Then Armstrong pulls the defender's shirt and they both go down.
Seem them given but can definitely understand why it wasn't.
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Really? And you maybe understand why there was just no interest from a VAR review?
Must have been unbelievably clear to referee and linesman all running at full pelt while both defender and attacker are running at full pelt. Because Armstrong is known for his lightning pace
Bottom line is that it doesn’t matter as we’d more than likely have fwcked it up anyway. Then there’s the fact we deserved nothing from our approach.
It’s just interesting that suddenly so many people “understand” why it wasn’t given when I’m absolutely certain were it their own club they’d be going tonto
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Nothing to do with the teams. I was going for Scotland and shouting for a penalty, until I saw a replay.
Wouldn't they have had to think it was a clear and obvious error to call the referee over?
Fast or slow, if Armstrong was running at full pelt it wouldn't have happened. He stopped, seemingly to make a collision unavoidable. But even when it came, it looked like it was just the upper legs, rather than a trip or anything. And though you might say Armstrong's shirt-pulling came after the contact, it may have added to the view that it was six of one, half a dozen of the other.
It could easily have been given, of course, but it was by no means this "blatant" penalty people have been talking about.
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Anywhere else on the pitch and the ref gives a free kick
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Probably, yes. That doesn't always mean a lot though, given what you can get a free-kick for though.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Croatia are rubbish in the Euros, they’ve never even won a knockout game. I’d fancy Switzerland over them.
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Switzerland gave Scotland a point and were the width of the post away from it being all 3
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They're still a solid team. And they were a fractional offside (Embolo) from beating Scotland as well.
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