I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
Spot on Spurts
England is a deluded nation in many ways, not just about football
Extremely favourable draws have helped England massively during the Southgate era
Their record against the big nations in tournament football remains abysmal
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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England have never been able to play fluent passing football effectively against any decent opposition
Set pieces, 2nd phase play after a set piece has always been their strength in tournament football
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
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What sack him on the eve of a quarter final with Switzerland - yer faaaacking mental if you think that’s happening.
He will be here for the duration of our tournament - however long that may be, get over it.
The worst his record will read now is:
Semi final
Final
Quarter final
Quarter final
Statistically he is Englands second greatest tournament manager.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
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How are you still a Southgate apologist after that.
Give your head a wobble mate. The football was terrible and we were lucky. Lucky to finish top of a favourable group, compared to some of those other teams, and lucky last night with our 2 shots on target against a team ranked 45th.
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
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It’s mainly the way England’s half of the draw ALWAYS miraculously opens up that makes Southgate the luckiest manager alive. Not sure which part of that is up for debate?
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
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What sack him on the eve of a quarter final with Switzerland - yer faaaacking mental if you think that’s happening.
He will be here for the duration of our tournament - however long that may be, get over it.
The worst his record will read now is:
Semi final
Final
Quarter final
Quarter final
Statistically he is Englands second greatest tournament manager.
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Yes sack him. It's only going one way. You can see the players are being held back by negative tactics. He's a nice guy and might get on with the players, who want to protect him, but the set up and coaching is not good enough. As the saying goes, nice guys finish last. You actually need to take risks if you want to be truly successful.
I'd get in touch with Redknapp to see if he would be willing to take over for the remainder of the Euros.
I do wonder if this England side will be like Man utd.
S*** against everyone that they're expected to beat, lowering everyone's expectations when they come to play someone that no one expects them to beat, but then playing well, and ultimately winning a trophy.
Although the difference with England is that if that does happen, it will be in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
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Well I've wanted him out for quite some time so I find it difficult to be happy when I believe the writing is on the wall with this manager. He's got 2 wins in 9 for games inside 90 mins and the performances lately have been dreadful with so much attacking talent.
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 3 minutes ago
I do wonder if this England side will be like Man utd.
S*** against everyone that they're expected to beat, lowering everyone's expectations when they come to play someone that no one expects them to beat, but then playing well, and ultimately winning a trophy.
Although the difference with England is that if that does happen, it will be in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
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ETH is a far better manager than Southgate though. He proved himself for his previous club and in European competition. Southgate has never proved anything other than how conservative he is. No track record of winning anything, just a relegation with Middlesbrough and bottling various big games in international tournaments.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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It's not stupid if you apply some context to it. Most managers would do the same in the circumstances.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 seconds ago
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
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People can be excited in the moment. That 95th minute equaliser was amazing and a thrilling moment and we have made it through but you have to look at this and judge the level of our performance.
If we cannot create good chances vs a team of this ability, and that of Slovenia and Serbia (13 shots on target in 390 minutes of football ) then how are we going to fair when we meet someone better than us.
If we are defensive and unadventurous vs teams ranked 59th and 54th in the world, what when we come up against a better team.
We do not look like we can win it playing this way, and no one will feel confident going into a game vs Switzerland - ranked 19th in the world.
And the level of performance has not given any encouragement that we can get any better.
I think England fans are right to be frustrated and pissssed off at what they have seen so far, a team operating at less than the sum of its parts and some very negative tactics and slow reactions to change the game
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
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It's not stupid if you apply some context to it. Most managers would do the same in the circumstances.
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Sure. It’s just stupid Spurtle, I don’t really care how you dress it up.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
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It’s mainly the way England’s half of the draw ALWAYS miraculously opens up that makes Southgate the luckiest manager alive. Not sure which part of that is up for debate?
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Well it didn’t in 2022 - we got the African Champions followed by the world champions
In 2021 we got Germany rd 16 - who were only considered schitt because we beat them, even though they humped defending champions Portugal 4-2 in the group stage and narrowly lost to France.
2018 - we got 3rd place Belgium in the group, we got a decent Colombia side rd16 and then Sweden in the quarters before Croatia in the semis.
It’s an absolute fallacy.
What people are really saying is that it’s luck we didn’t have to play Germany, France, Portugal and Spain on the trot - but look at how many times a winner of a tournament ever plays more than 2 of that level of team - it’s very rare, yet no one says Deschamps has been lucky or Brazil were lucky between 94 and 2002
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 18 minutes ago
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
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They are just desperate for us to fail because they are not entertained
Yet when we do go out they will moan like hell - it’s why the job is a poison chalice, the fans are impossible to appease unless you win tournament after tournament playing like 82 Brazil whilst only beating the elite nations along the way
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
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What sack him on the eve of a quarter final with Switzerland - yer faaaacking mental if you think that’s happening.
He will be here for the duration of our tournament - however long that may be, get over it.
The worst his record will read now is:
Semi final
Final
Quarter final
Quarter final
Statistically he is Englands second greatest tournament manager.
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Yes sack him. It's only going one way. You can see the players are being held back by negative tactics. He's a nice guy and might get on with the players, who want to protect him, but the set up and coaching is not good enough. As the saying goes, nice guys finish last. You actually need to take risks if you want to be truly successful.
I'd get in touch with Redknapp to see if he would be willing to take over for the remainder of the Euros.
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Then you are delusional
Faaaacking Redknapp who’s legendary level of tactics amount to “run around a bit”
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
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It's not stupid if you apply some context to it. Most managers would do the same in the circumstances.
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Sure. It’s just stupid Spurtle, I don’t really care how you dress it up.
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So take the Sven era then, would you expect Southgate to have beaten Brazil, or Portugal twice to be able to reach a SF? His track record against big teams demonstrates that he likely wouldn't have. So how is it stupid?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
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You missed nothing Robbing, he went on to claim Redknapp is the answer
Spurtle I don't disagree with what you're saying but it's pointless stressing over it all now you can't fight the forces of what's meant to be and lucky devil Southgate is here for the duration of this tournament and it will play out the way it plays out which I think with Southgate's a cat with nine lives luck will be a humbling defeat against the Spanish in the final.
All we can then hope for is that's the end of this anti entertaining football merchant and hopefully because the FA are such a spineless group of fecktards they don't stop Southgate walking away and he can collect his Knighthood and cosy up to and join the Neville and
Keane ITV pundit crew and watch a new England boss finally use the vast array of talent in the correct manner and we all enjoy and witness England winning the World Cup in style in 2026.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 3 minutes ago
I do wonder if this England side will be like Man utd.
S*** against everyone that they're expected to beat, lowering everyone's expectations when they come to play someone that no one expects them to beat, but then playing well, and ultimately winning a trophy.
Although the difference with England is that if that does happen, it will be in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
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ETH is a far better manager than Southgate though. He proved himself for his previous club and in European competition. Southgate has never proved anything other than how conservative he is. No track record of winning anything, just a relegation with Middlesbrough and bottling various big games in international tournaments.
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Which game did he bottle? Losing to Croatia in extra time? Losing a final to Italy on Pens or losing to world champions France narrowly?
Your take is mental Spurtle
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posted on 1/7/24
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posted on 1/7/24
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
posted on 1/7/24
Spot on Spurts
England is a deluded nation in many ways, not just about football
Extremely favourable draws have helped England massively during the Southgate era
Their record against the big nations in tournament football remains abysmal
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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England have never been able to play fluent passing football effectively against any decent opposition
Set pieces, 2nd phase play after a set piece has always been their strength in tournament football
posted on 1/7/24
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
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What sack him on the eve of a quarter final with Switzerland - yer faaaacking mental if you think that’s happening.
He will be here for the duration of our tournament - however long that may be, get over it.
The worst his record will read now is:
Semi final
Final
Quarter final
Quarter final
Statistically he is Englands second greatest tournament manager.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
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How are you still a Southgate apologist after that.
Give your head a wobble mate. The football was terrible and we were lucky. Lucky to finish top of a favourable group, compared to some of those other teams, and lucky last night with our 2 shots on target against a team ranked 45th.
posted on 1/7/24
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
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It’s mainly the way England’s half of the draw ALWAYS miraculously opens up that makes Southgate the luckiest manager alive. Not sure which part of that is up for debate?
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
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What sack him on the eve of a quarter final with Switzerland - yer faaaacking mental if you think that’s happening.
He will be here for the duration of our tournament - however long that may be, get over it.
The worst his record will read now is:
Semi final
Final
Quarter final
Quarter final
Statistically he is Englands second greatest tournament manager.
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Yes sack him. It's only going one way. You can see the players are being held back by negative tactics. He's a nice guy and might get on with the players, who want to protect him, but the set up and coaching is not good enough. As the saying goes, nice guys finish last. You actually need to take risks if you want to be truly successful.
I'd get in touch with Redknapp to see if he would be willing to take over for the remainder of the Euros.
posted on 1/7/24
I do wonder if this England side will be like Man utd.
S*** against everyone that they're expected to beat, lowering everyone's expectations when they come to play someone that no one expects them to beat, but then playing well, and ultimately winning a trophy.
Although the difference with England is that if that does happen, it will be in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
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Well I've wanted him out for quite some time so I find it difficult to be happy when I believe the writing is on the wall with this manager. He's got 2 wins in 9 for games inside 90 mins and the performances lately have been dreadful with so much attacking talent.
posted on 1/7/24
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 3 minutes ago
I do wonder if this England side will be like Man utd.
S*** against everyone that they're expected to beat, lowering everyone's expectations when they come to play someone that no one expects them to beat, but then playing well, and ultimately winning a trophy.
Although the difference with England is that if that does happen, it will be in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
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ETH is a far better manager than Southgate though. He proved himself for his previous club and in European competition. Southgate has never proved anything other than how conservative he is. No track record of winning anything, just a relegation with Middlesbrough and bottling various big games in international tournaments.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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It's not stupid if you apply some context to it. Most managers would do the same in the circumstances.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 seconds ago
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
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People can be excited in the moment. That 95th minute equaliser was amazing and a thrilling moment and we have made it through but you have to look at this and judge the level of our performance.
If we cannot create good chances vs a team of this ability, and that of Slovenia and Serbia (13 shots on target in 390 minutes of football ) then how are we going to fair when we meet someone better than us.
If we are defensive and unadventurous vs teams ranked 59th and 54th in the world, what when we come up against a better team.
We do not look like we can win it playing this way, and no one will feel confident going into a game vs Switzerland - ranked 19th in the world.
And the level of performance has not given any encouragement that we can get any better.
I think England fans are right to be frustrated and pissssed off at what they have seen so far, a team operating at less than the sum of its parts and some very negative tactics and slow reactions to change the game
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
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It's not stupid if you apply some context to it. Most managers would do the same in the circumstances.
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Sure. It’s just stupid Spurtle, I don’t really care how you dress it up.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
Once again we’re being bashed with the favourable draw stick - it simply isn’t true
We had France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Croatia on our side of the group - that’s the holders, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup finals, a side that has been in the past 2 World Cup semi finals plus Belgium and Holland.
What happened was England won their group, France and Belgium failed, Croatia got knocked out of the group. Italy got humped by Switzerland.
The Dutch may still make it. It’s no a favourable draw - England did their job and those other nations didn’t so now have to take the ridiculously difficult route
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It’s mainly the way England’s half of the draw ALWAYS miraculously opens up that makes Southgate the luckiest manager alive. Not sure which part of that is up for debate?
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Well it didn’t in 2022 - we got the African Champions followed by the world champions
In 2021 we got Germany rd 16 - who were only considered schitt because we beat them, even though they humped defending champions Portugal 4-2 in the group stage and narrowly lost to France.
2018 - we got 3rd place Belgium in the group, we got a decent Colombia side rd16 and then Sweden in the quarters before Croatia in the semis.
It’s an absolute fallacy.
What people are really saying is that it’s luck we didn’t have to play Germany, France, Portugal and Spain on the trot - but look at how many times a winner of a tournament ever plays more than 2 of that level of team - it’s very rare, yet no one says Deschamps has been lucky or Brazil were lucky between 94 and 2002
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 18 minutes ago
amazing how angry some people - including some england fans - get when england win a game of football.
i mean, tedious xenophobes like peks i get, but your own fanbase? and yes, i know it wasn't great yesterday, and we did get a little lucky, but you might still think that generally people would be happy, not furious.
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They are just desperate for us to fail because they are not entertained
Yet when we do go out they will moan like hell - it’s why the job is a poison chalice, the fans are impossible to appease unless you win tournament after tournament playing like 82 Brazil whilst only beating the elite nations along the way
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I heard a stat that Southgate's England has played a top 10 ranked team 24 times in his 100 games and won 4 of them..
What makes me chuckle is that for all England's careful possession and tippy tappy ball retention based tactics and setup, its a long throw and 2nd phase from a corner which got us through.
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The long ball thing was ridiculous. We've got all these quality attacking players and Southgate wants us to be Stoke City under Pulis.
I wish the FA had the balls to do what's right before it's too late.
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What sack him on the eve of a quarter final with Switzerland - yer faaaacking mental if you think that’s happening.
He will be here for the duration of our tournament - however long that may be, get over it.
The worst his record will read now is:
Semi final
Final
Quarter final
Quarter final
Statistically he is Englands second greatest tournament manager.
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Yes sack him. It's only going one way. You can see the players are being held back by negative tactics. He's a nice guy and might get on with the players, who want to protect him, but the set up and coaching is not good enough. As the saying goes, nice guys finish last. You actually need to take risks if you want to be truly successful.
I'd get in touch with Redknapp to see if he would be willing to take over for the remainder of the Euros.
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Then you are delusional
Faaaacking Redknapp who’s legendary level of tactics amount to “run around a bit”
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
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It's not stupid if you apply some context to it. Most managers would do the same in the circumstances.
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Sure. It’s just stupid Spurtle, I don’t really care how you dress it up.
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So take the Sven era then, would you expect Southgate to have beaten Brazil, or Portugal twice to be able to reach a SF? His track record against big teams demonstrates that he likely wouldn't have. So how is it stupid?
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
I don't want to hear about how he's reached a final or semi.
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Which is stupid, if we’re honest. Didn’t bother reading the rest.
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You missed nothing Robbing, he went on to claim Redknapp is the answer
posted on 1/7/24
Spurtle I don't disagree with what you're saying but it's pointless stressing over it all now you can't fight the forces of what's meant to be and lucky devil Southgate is here for the duration of this tournament and it will play out the way it plays out which I think with Southgate's a cat with nine lives luck will be a humbling defeat against the Spanish in the final.
All we can then hope for is that's the end of this anti entertaining football merchant and hopefully because the FA are such a spineless group of fecktards they don't stop Southgate walking away and he can collect his Knighthood and cosy up to and join the Neville and
Keane ITV pundit crew and watch a new England boss finally use the vast array of talent in the correct manner and we all enjoy and witness England winning the World Cup in style in 2026.
posted on 1/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Zein Mayassi (U21076)
posted 3 minutes ago
I do wonder if this England side will be like Man utd.
S*** against everyone that they're expected to beat, lowering everyone's expectations when they come to play someone that no one expects them to beat, but then playing well, and ultimately winning a trophy.
Although the difference with England is that if that does happen, it will be in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
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ETH is a far better manager than Southgate though. He proved himself for his previous club and in European competition. Southgate has never proved anything other than how conservative he is. No track record of winning anything, just a relegation with Middlesbrough and bottling various big games in international tournaments.
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Which game did he bottle? Losing to Croatia in extra time? Losing a final to Italy on Pens or losing to world champions France narrowly?
Your take is mental Spurtle
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