comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Pranks - 2024 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Pranks - 2024 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 39 minutes ago
Anthony, worst signing in premier league history for me
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Aquilani is right up there with him. Imagine trying to replace Alonso with that. Cost you top 4 and it took you a while to get back in there.
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That’s a desperate post, not even the same ballpark 🤣
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From one of the biggest planks on the forum? Ha
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At least you have some self awareness, kudos
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
If Shaw stays fit for 70% of the season or more (big if I know) then Rashford will look like a different player.
Last season he had Lindelof and Wan Bissaka as the left back for majority of it. Nobody is thriving in that scenario.
I think it will be Rashford LW and Garnacho RW to start off with again.
Sancho I think will leave before the window shuts.
Amad, Zirkzee and Antony (or a new winger) will be the back ups.
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Does Zirkzee really play wide? I looked on Transfer Market and it says he's only played there a handful of times
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
If Shaw stays fit for 70% of the season or more (big if I know) then Rashford will look like a different player.
Last season he had Lindelof and Wan Bissaka as the left back for majority of it. Nobody is thriving in that scenario.
I think it will be Rashford LW and Garnacho RW to start off with again.
Sancho I think will leave before the window shuts.
Amad, Zirkzee and Antony (or a new winger) will be the back ups.
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Does Zirkzee really play wide? I looked on Transfer Market and it says he's only played there a handful of times
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Yeah Zirkzee will play centrally most of the time. I just included him as he can play off the wing if we are short there. Wasn't there a quote last week about him being incredibly versatile?
I don't think him running the wing is his natural game though.
Mount can also do a job there too if needed. 👍
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Antony, imo, needs to forget playing as an inverted winger. He is no use what so ever on the right.
I very much doubt he would care any better on the left, mind, but one of his very few assists came from the left.
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Yeh I agree with this. He's basically got one trick. Show him outside and he's useless.
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Antony is very good at actually working space onto his left. His issue is that he's not very good when he gets there. That's what holds him back. Plenty of players have been very one footed, and plenty of players are not great at beating a full back. But those players tend to be very cute and precise with the ball in their passing, shooting and crossing to compensate (I'm thinking players like Juan Mata).
Antony was clearly good enough as a RW in the Dutch league, which although not as good as the PL is still one of the strongest leagues in world football. That's his level, which is fine (and still an incredibly high level for any footballer to reach). But it's a shame it's cost us £85m to find that out.
Bit of a kick in the teeth for ETH if he is sent out on loan.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 27 minutes ago
Bit of a kick in the teeth for ETH if he is sent out on loan.
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Why?
ETH has dropped Antony for Rashford (who performed horribly himself), then put Garnacho in ahead of him on the right and towards the very end of the season Amad was getting minutes ahead of him.
ETH has shown he's more than happy to drop Antony, which shows he's fully aware that he's not doing the business. He also hooked him at half time against Fulham away when he was having an absolute stinker.
The fact our own scouts valued him at £25m for us to then pay around £90m only a few months after showed how badly run we were.
He isn’t good enough for us but I’m sure he can play at a higher standard than we’ve seen. He had some impressive performances in the CL with Ajax. I’m sure had some low/mid level PL side bought him for £25m he’d be treated better because that’s his level, not his fault our club were so stupid paying so much for him.
After the 1st half against Rangers, I’d say Amad will claim his starting position on the right this season
Performances in preseason mean nothing.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Performances in preseason mean nothing.
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I wouldn;t go as far to say "nothing", but too much can certainly be read into them.
What I'd say about Amad is that he's done the business in the Championship and he was looking increasingly good for us at the tail end of the season. I'm confident he's a PL player. Whether that's with us long term remains to be seen but he's young and talented and there seems to be a real opportunity to stake a claim on the RW this season.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pranks - 2024 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 39 minutes ago
Anthony, worst signing in premier league history for me
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Aquilani is right up there with him. Imagine trying to replace Alonso with that. Cost you top 4 and it took you a while to get back in there.
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Yeah but if you're applying cost as a ratio then it has to be Antony or Mudryk, otherwise there are thousands of shiiiit players that have graced the Prem.
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I just think the impact of failing to properly replace Alonso was huge for Liverpool. Cost you a lot of money in lost revenue through failing to qualify for the CL. I think it was 4 seasons before you got back in the top 4. Even taking into account transfer inflation, Aqualini cost less than Antony. But the his signing was pretty catastrophic for Liverpool.
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Aquilani was actually good for Liverpool when he played. Problem is he barely played. Losing Alonso was not the reason Liverpool failed to qualify for the CL. Having poor owners was the reason. Due to their situation and subsequently the situation the club was put in, all the top players wanted to leave and they did, with the exception of the English ones. Can't blame them since the club was sold to them as on the up and so it was until the issues with the owners arose and they saw they would be better off elsewhere.
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I actually thought you sold him at the wrong time. Seem to recall he had a few good games towards the end. We did the same with Veron. But overall both were poor signings
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Yes but the problem was his fitness. It was exactly the same with Keita. Both good technical players but too fragile for the PL. Everytime they came back from injury it took them a while to get up to speed, then they hit a period of good form only to get injured again, rinse and repeat.
Amad definitely deserves more of a chance with the first team but I wouldn’t ever base that view on performances in pre season as their main purpose is fitness, little else.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 18 minutes ago
Amad definitely deserves more of a chance with the first team but I wouldn’t ever base that view on performances in pre season as their main purpose is fitness, little else.
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Relax, no one is saying he will definitely make it. Can people just look at the positive side for once?
I’m simply disagreeing with this comment based off a preseason game.
“Amad will claim his starting position on the right this season”
He’s not been good but he’s benefit from a decent right back consistently behind him. Midfielders breaking the lines more on the inside wouldn’t hurt him either.
Saying that, despite working hard I don’t see a single thing he excels at other than whinging.
I bet Utd fans find him a very hard player to like tbh.
Aquilani being the reason we missed out on top 4 is an odd take.
Amad definitely deserves a chance. He's not really a natural winger though. He likes to cut inside an awful lot and get on the ball which isn't always a bad thing. It can however sometimes backfire and make the pitch a bit too narrow. Dalot would definitely need to bomb on a lot with Amad but I could see that partnership working well given time.
Still think it will be Rashford LW and Garnacho RW to start with. Amad will definitely be chomping at the bit though to get a game should one of them not perform.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I’m simply disagreeing with this comment based off a preseason game.
“Amad will claim his starting position on the right this season”
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Yes, by saying performance in preseason means nothing. A lot of people get excited with Mainoo against Arsenal last pre season and rightly so. Why don’t we just see it is a positive sign that Amad had a good game, and seems to continue his good form from last season
But they do mean nothing, they’re simply there to get players up to match fitness for the new season and help with clubs branding in foreign countries. Time and time again we hear fans cream their pants over player performances during pre season to then see that player not get any game time or sold. If we lost 10-0 or won 10-0 it would literally mean nothing in terms of our players being ready or not for the season proper.
There is absolutely nothing that can be read into todays game other than basically knowing if a player is alive or not.
For me, the pecking order almost doesn't matter - it's the mindset of the players we have in there.
Rashy will never be a 30 goals / season player. What I want from him is 15-20 goals and more assists. But all he seems interested in is trying to score himself, rather that getting the team to score.
Garnacho is younger, but circumstances have dictated that we've had to use him a lot more than ideal - ultimately it's now time for him to go to another level and try to be a bit more consistent, and increase his goals and assists return.
It's tough for Hojlund - still learning himself. But the front 3 need to play and work as a unit. Hojlund needs to make the runs, but the other 2 need to be feeding him. They may be getting coached that way, but they aren't showing it.
I don't know if Sancho is genuinely going to stay with us, but at least he seems to see himself as more of a provider who can chip in with goals.
Amad still needs to prove himself but I see him as similar in approach.
Zirkzee can offer support to / instead of Hojlund, but he will have similar problems - the team needs to have the mindset of creating chances for him.
If Sancho really is staying, I want to see him and Zirkzee hit the ground running and create proper competition for places. And Amad needs more chances
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 11 hours, 9 minutes ago
But they do mean nothing, they’re simply there to get players up to match fitness for the new season and help with clubs branding in foreign countries. Time and time again we hear fans cream their pants over player performances during pre season to then see that player not get any game time or sold. If we lost 10-0 or won 10-0 it would literally mean nothing in terms of our players being ready or not for the season proper.
There is absolutely nothing that can be read into todays game other than basically knowing if a player is alive or not.
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Not for players that have something to prove. Of course performing well in pre season doesn’t guarantee anything, but you talk like managers don’t care how his team play in those matches
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posted on 20/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Pranks - 2024 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Pranks - 2024 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 39 minutes ago
Anthony, worst signing in premier league history for me
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Aquilani is right up there with him. Imagine trying to replace Alonso with that. Cost you top 4 and it took you a while to get back in there.
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That’s a desperate post, not even the same ballpark 🤣
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From one of the biggest planks on the forum? Ha
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At least you have some self awareness, kudos
posted on 20/7/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
If Shaw stays fit for 70% of the season or more (big if I know) then Rashford will look like a different player.
Last season he had Lindelof and Wan Bissaka as the left back for majority of it. Nobody is thriving in that scenario.
I think it will be Rashford LW and Garnacho RW to start off with again.
Sancho I think will leave before the window shuts.
Amad, Zirkzee and Antony (or a new winger) will be the back ups.
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Does Zirkzee really play wide? I looked on Transfer Market and it says he's only played there a handful of times
posted on 20/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
If Shaw stays fit for 70% of the season or more (big if I know) then Rashford will look like a different player.
Last season he had Lindelof and Wan Bissaka as the left back for majority of it. Nobody is thriving in that scenario.
I think it will be Rashford LW and Garnacho RW to start off with again.
Sancho I think will leave before the window shuts.
Amad, Zirkzee and Antony (or a new winger) will be the back ups.
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Does Zirkzee really play wide? I looked on Transfer Market and it says he's only played there a handful of times
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Yeah Zirkzee will play centrally most of the time. I just included him as he can play off the wing if we are short there. Wasn't there a quote last week about him being incredibly versatile?
I don't think him running the wing is his natural game though.
Mount can also do a job there too if needed. 👍
posted on 20/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Antony, imo, needs to forget playing as an inverted winger. He is no use what so ever on the right.
I very much doubt he would care any better on the left, mind, but one of his very few assists came from the left.
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Yeh I agree with this. He's basically got one trick. Show him outside and he's useless.
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Antony is very good at actually working space onto his left. His issue is that he's not very good when he gets there. That's what holds him back. Plenty of players have been very one footed, and plenty of players are not great at beating a full back. But those players tend to be very cute and precise with the ball in their passing, shooting and crossing to compensate (I'm thinking players like Juan Mata).
Antony was clearly good enough as a RW in the Dutch league, which although not as good as the PL is still one of the strongest leagues in world football. That's his level, which is fine (and still an incredibly high level for any footballer to reach). But it's a shame it's cost us £85m to find that out.
posted on 20/7/24
Bit of a kick in the teeth for ETH if he is sent out on loan.
posted on 20/7/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 27 minutes ago
Bit of a kick in the teeth for ETH if he is sent out on loan.
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Why?
ETH has dropped Antony for Rashford (who performed horribly himself), then put Garnacho in ahead of him on the right and towards the very end of the season Amad was getting minutes ahead of him.
ETH has shown he's more than happy to drop Antony, which shows he's fully aware that he's not doing the business. He also hooked him at half time against Fulham away when he was having an absolute stinker.
posted on 20/7/24
The fact our own scouts valued him at £25m for us to then pay around £90m only a few months after showed how badly run we were.
He isn’t good enough for us but I’m sure he can play at a higher standard than we’ve seen. He had some impressive performances in the CL with Ajax. I’m sure had some low/mid level PL side bought him for £25m he’d be treated better because that’s his level, not his fault our club were so stupid paying so much for him.
posted on 20/7/24
After the 1st half against Rangers, I’d say Amad will claim his starting position on the right this season
posted on 20/7/24
Performances in preseason mean nothing.
posted on 20/7/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Performances in preseason mean nothing.
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I wouldn;t go as far to say "nothing", but too much can certainly be read into them.
What I'd say about Amad is that he's done the business in the Championship and he was looking increasingly good for us at the tail end of the season. I'm confident he's a PL player. Whether that's with us long term remains to be seen but he's young and talented and there seems to be a real opportunity to stake a claim on the RW this season.
posted on 20/7/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pranks - 2024 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 39 minutes ago
Anthony, worst signing in premier league history for me
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Aquilani is right up there with him. Imagine trying to replace Alonso with that. Cost you top 4 and it took you a while to get back in there.
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Yeah but if you're applying cost as a ratio then it has to be Antony or Mudryk, otherwise there are thousands of shiiiit players that have graced the Prem.
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I just think the impact of failing to properly replace Alonso was huge for Liverpool. Cost you a lot of money in lost revenue through failing to qualify for the CL. I think it was 4 seasons before you got back in the top 4. Even taking into account transfer inflation, Aqualini cost less than Antony. But the his signing was pretty catastrophic for Liverpool.
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Aquilani was actually good for Liverpool when he played. Problem is he barely played. Losing Alonso was not the reason Liverpool failed to qualify for the CL. Having poor owners was the reason. Due to their situation and subsequently the situation the club was put in, all the top players wanted to leave and they did, with the exception of the English ones. Can't blame them since the club was sold to them as on the up and so it was until the issues with the owners arose and they saw they would be better off elsewhere.
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I actually thought you sold him at the wrong time. Seem to recall he had a few good games towards the end. We did the same with Veron. But overall both were poor signings
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Yes but the problem was his fitness. It was exactly the same with Keita. Both good technical players but too fragile for the PL. Everytime they came back from injury it took them a while to get up to speed, then they hit a period of good form only to get injured again, rinse and repeat.
posted on 20/7/24
Amad definitely deserves more of a chance with the first team but I wouldn’t ever base that view on performances in pre season as their main purpose is fitness, little else.
posted on 20/7/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 18 minutes ago
Amad definitely deserves more of a chance with the first team but I wouldn’t ever base that view on performances in pre season as their main purpose is fitness, little else.
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Relax, no one is saying he will definitely make it. Can people just look at the positive side for once?
posted on 20/7/24
I’m simply disagreeing with this comment based off a preseason game.
“Amad will claim his starting position on the right this season”
posted on 20/7/24
He’s not been good but he’s benefit from a decent right back consistently behind him. Midfielders breaking the lines more on the inside wouldn’t hurt him either.
Saying that, despite working hard I don’t see a single thing he excels at other than whinging.
I bet Utd fans find him a very hard player to like tbh.
Aquilani being the reason we missed out on top 4 is an odd take.
posted on 20/7/24
Amad definitely deserves a chance. He's not really a natural winger though. He likes to cut inside an awful lot and get on the ball which isn't always a bad thing. It can however sometimes backfire and make the pitch a bit too narrow. Dalot would definitely need to bomb on a lot with Amad but I could see that partnership working well given time.
Still think it will be Rashford LW and Garnacho RW to start with. Amad will definitely be chomping at the bit though to get a game should one of them not perform.
posted on 20/7/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I’m simply disagreeing with this comment based off a preseason game.
“Amad will claim his starting position on the right this season”
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Yes, by saying performance in preseason means nothing. A lot of people get excited with Mainoo against Arsenal last pre season and rightly so. Why don’t we just see it is a positive sign that Amad had a good game, and seems to continue his good form from last season
posted on 20/7/24
But they do mean nothing, they’re simply there to get players up to match fitness for the new season and help with clubs branding in foreign countries. Time and time again we hear fans cream their pants over player performances during pre season to then see that player not get any game time or sold. If we lost 10-0 or won 10-0 it would literally mean nothing in terms of our players being ready or not for the season proper.
There is absolutely nothing that can be read into todays game other than basically knowing if a player is alive or not.
posted on 21/7/24
For me, the pecking order almost doesn't matter - it's the mindset of the players we have in there.
Rashy will never be a 30 goals / season player. What I want from him is 15-20 goals and more assists. But all he seems interested in is trying to score himself, rather that getting the team to score.
Garnacho is younger, but circumstances have dictated that we've had to use him a lot more than ideal - ultimately it's now time for him to go to another level and try to be a bit more consistent, and increase his goals and assists return.
It's tough for Hojlund - still learning himself. But the front 3 need to play and work as a unit. Hojlund needs to make the runs, but the other 2 need to be feeding him. They may be getting coached that way, but they aren't showing it.
I don't know if Sancho is genuinely going to stay with us, but at least he seems to see himself as more of a provider who can chip in with goals.
Amad still needs to prove himself but I see him as similar in approach.
Zirkzee can offer support to / instead of Hojlund, but he will have similar problems - the team needs to have the mindset of creating chances for him.
If Sancho really is staying, I want to see him and Zirkzee hit the ground running and create proper competition for places. And Amad needs more chances
posted on 21/7/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 11 hours, 9 minutes ago
But they do mean nothing, they’re simply there to get players up to match fitness for the new season and help with clubs branding in foreign countries. Time and time again we hear fans cream their pants over player performances during pre season to then see that player not get any game time or sold. If we lost 10-0 or won 10-0 it would literally mean nothing in terms of our players being ready or not for the season proper.
There is absolutely nothing that can be read into todays game other than basically knowing if a player is alive or not.
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Not for players that have something to prove. Of course performing well in pre season doesn’t guarantee anything, but you talk like managers don’t care how his team play in those matches
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