comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)

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How many EDL racists have been imprisoned without trial, legal representation or information on what they re actually charged with since Oct 7th?
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None

How many EDL extremists are going to give a toss about that when they use your own reasoning that violence is the only solution when they're not being listened to about their Country being occupied?

How many people like you will justify their actions?
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Show me where I've said this

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Hamas as both a political.organisation and military group aren't terrorists IMO. They are both groups that have been ignored nationally, regionally and.internationally for decades by the nations that hold the power on the geo political stage. This is what's led to the extremist ideology within the military group of Hamas, they have literally no one to turn to.

They have no recourse for their stolen land or the way their people have been treated by Israel over decades and its allies by proxy.

If your land was stolen and you went to the local police, national police, local and national courts, then international courts and the answer over decades was 'sorry the people who stole your land are our pals, nothing we can do' what would your reaction be?
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replace with EDL/Uk government

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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The Palestnian cause isn't justified?
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No cause can be justified with violence.
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Using this logic the cause of black people fighting apartheid wasn't justified, neither the civil rights movement in the US. How about the resistance movement in France during WW2, or the Allies fight against fascism?

You're very niave and don't appear to have any knowledge of what you're talking about. You're probably best dropping the subject instead of humiliating yourself further.

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Hamas as both a political.organisation and military group aren't terrorists IMO. They are both groups that have been ignored nationally, regionally and.internationally for decades by the nations that hold the power on the geo political stage. This is what's led to the extremist ideology within the military group of Hamas, they have literally no one to turn to.

They have no recourse for their stolen land or the way their people have been treated by Israel over decades and its allies by proxy.

If your land was stolen and you went to the local police, national police, local and national courts, then international courts and the answer over decades was 'sorry the people who stole your land are our pals, nothing we can do' what would your reaction be?
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replace with EDL/Uk government
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Yeah you can't read

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1e5y8ny1l4o

Just replace with EDL/UK government yeah?

FFS

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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The Palestnian cause isn't justified?
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No cause can be justified with violence.
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Using this logic the cause of black people fighting apartheid wasn't justified, neither the civil rights movement in the US. How about the resistance movement in France during WW2, or the Allies fight against fascism?

You're very niave and don't appear to have any knowledge of what you're talking about. You're probably best dropping the subject instead of humiliating yourself further.
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If all that's worked out that well, why are you fighting for another violent cause and bemoaning in the injustices of the World on a daily basis then?

Pretty sure I'm not the naive one.

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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The Palestnian cause isn't justified?
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No cause can be justified with violence.
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Using this logic the cause of black people fighting apartheid wasn't justified, neither the civil rights movement in the US. How about the resistance movement in France during WW2, or the Allies fight against fascism?

You're very niave and don't appear to have any knowledge of what you're talking about. You're probably best dropping the subject instead of humiliating yourself further.
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If all that's worked out that well, why are you fighting for another violent cause and bemoaning in the injustices of the World on a daily basis then?

Pretty sure I'm not the naive one.
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What?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
How about the resistance movement in France during WW2, or the Allies fight against fascism?
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There would be no Israel and no Palestinian children being murdered.

Really haven't thought about this have you.

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
How about the resistance movement in France during WW2, or the Allies fight against fascism?
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There would be no Israel and no Palestinian children being murdered.

Really haven't thought about this have you.
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You'll have to show your working out on this genius.

Not really, you seem to think you can solve a problem using the same solution that created it in the first place. Given the fact we're verging on an even more destructive WW3 right now it's obvious you're wrong.

Violence just creates more ripples of violence in the future. Till people wake up to this it doesn't really matter what the cause is, human beings are only going to carry on suffering and killing each other.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/27/israeli-airstrikes-that-hit-school-kill-50-people-in-gaza

In other news a UK government airstrike on an EDL school has killed 50

In other news we left the EU and you're still not listening.

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 23 seconds ago
Not really, you seem to think you can solve a problem using the same solution that created it in the first place. Given the fact we're verging on an even more destructive WW3 right now it's obvious you're wrong.

Violence just creates more ripples of violence in the future. Till people wake up to this it doesn't really matter what the cause is, human beings are only going to carry on suffering and killing each other.


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And in the case of Israel and Palestine its Israeli violence (settlers violently taking land illegally, IDF violence against Palestinians and illegal incarceration) begets more violence (Hamas' Oct 7th attack)

You're finally getting it

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
In other news we left the EU and you're still not listening.

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What?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 23 seconds ago
Not really, you seem to think you can solve a problem using the same solution that created it in the first place. Given the fact we're verging on an even more destructive WW3 right now it's obvious you're wrong.

Violence just creates more ripples of violence in the future. Till people wake up to this it doesn't really matter what the cause is, human beings are only going to carry on suffering and killing each other.


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And in the case of Israel and Palestine its Israeli violence (settlers violently taking land illegally, IDF violence against Palestinians and illegal incarceration) begets more violence (Hamas' Oct 7th attack)

You're finally getting it
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Indeed, people always think their own violence is justified.

Don't think you'll ever get that.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
In other news we left the EU and you're still not listening.

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What?
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Exactly

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 23 seconds ago
Not really, you seem to think you can solve a problem using the same solution that created it in the first place. Given the fact we're verging on an even more destructive WW3 right now it's obvious you're wrong.

Violence just creates more ripples of violence in the future. Till people wake up to this it doesn't really matter what the cause is, human beings are only going to carry on suffering and killing each other.


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And in the case of Israel and Palestine its Israeli violence (settlers violently taking land illegally, IDF violence against Palestinians and illegal incarceration) begets more violence (Hamas' Oct 7th attack)

You're finally getting it
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Indeed, people always think their own violence is justified.

Don't think you'll ever get that.
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So if an aggressor nation state is pelting missiles at schools how should the Palestinian people, government or armed wing react if not with violence?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)

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Indeed, people always think their own violence is justified.

Don't think you'll ever get that.
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So if an aggressor nation state is pelting missiles at schools how should the Palestinian people, government or armed wing react if not with violence?
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See

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)

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Indeed, people always think their own violence is justified.

Don't think you'll ever get that.
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So if an aggressor nation state is pelting missiles at schools how should the Palestinian people, government or armed wing react if not with violence?
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See
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That was a question. How do you think they should react or what do you think they should do?

I think they should react to aggression and anger like I'm doing now.

comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think they should react to aggression and anger like I'm doing now.
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And how should that anger be displayed or manifested?

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 27 minutes ago
No, I don't say loads.

You just can't handle your nonsense being called out.
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I don’t speak nonsense, I just look at every angle. You on the other hand will say anything to push one side. Honestly, you’re verging on having extremist views. Though I do suspect it’s intentional rather than your actual view, in an attempt to get as much attention as possible.
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Agreed.he is inciting violence and extremism with comments like

‘If Hamas don't attack, they die a slow death. If they do attack, it's a quicker death’

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But when zionists incite violence you'll pretend you didn't hear it so you can maintain your delusion.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 hours, 43 minutes ago
Where was the outrage when:

Assad bombed Muslims in Syria.

Houthis murdered Muslims in Yeman.

Iranian authorites ordered the killing of Muslims in Iran

ISIS committed genocide against Muslims in Iraq?

As I don't remember vast street protests in the UK for any of the above, it would give the impression that some people are OK with Muslims killing their fellow Muslims but there are huge protests if anyone else does it.

This is a general observation and it's not aimed at any particular person or group
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I don't remember the US/UK condoning those things and inviting their leaders to the Congress to applaud them. Maybe that's why — if the Western establishments don't condemn these things, the people will.

https://m.youtube.com/post/UgkxBGk82tF8Sqyli4JkBD1E7ElZL0W1921o?si=BkQ3JdPxliVlCJFW

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think they should react to aggression and anger like I'm doing now.
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And how should that anger be displayed or manifested?
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Well in your case it seems to have manifested in the usual deluge of strawman arguments. Pointing out that violent causes don't solve anything has somehow turned into questions about how do you defend yourself in a particular situation. FYI self defense does not involve raping other people.

Furthemore if your view of the world was valid that people are merely products of their environment and have no agency not to inflict unecessary violence on other human beings then one could explain away the actions of Israel, as well every criminal and dictator that's ever existed.