I quite like that. Maybe a bit too much of a pastiche of industrial / warehousing style for my liking but a very interesting attempt. I'd maybe go for a design that is less of a imitation of a warehouse, and rather something that is clearly a stadium but references the materials and structures of industrial era architecture. I'd also much prefer the stands are square to the pitch (as per the English / northern European tradition) rather than the now fashionable bowl.
Something like the SoFi stadium would be amazing
Design-wise, a little too Romanesque-churchy to me, but as to the general aesthetic, fvck yeah, like it a lot.
One of those but twice the size would do
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
I quite like that. Maybe a bit too much of a pastiche of industrial / warehousing style for my liking but a very interesting attempt. I'd maybe go for a design that is less of a imitation of a warehouse, and rather something that is clearly a stadium but references the materials and structures of industrial era architecture. I'd also much prefer the stands are square to the pitch (as per the English / northern European tradition) rather than the now fashionable bowl.
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Yeah I was referring more to the aesthetic than the actual design (which looks a bit too much like a warehouse).
Manchester has lots of amazing examples of industrial era architecture converted into modern uses, sometimes with combinations of original structures with steel and glass. I think doing something in that spirit would fit the location really well. A modern stadium (with rectangular stands that hug the touchline) with red brickwork that references the old stadium and the wider metropolis.
The new OT will never be as good as the revamped Bernabeu
how did the other thread get derailed?
I don't know the legalities of such things but (let's state it's possible for here) I'd love them to do something that gives ownership of the stadium to the fans via some kind of share scheme. I'd happily be part 'owner' of the stadium for a dividend every year if it turns a profit.
20m shares at £100 each!
Not many new build projects in M/C these days reflects Town's industrial heritage. Just modern, grey, glass and metal skyscrapers these days get the go ahead.
But there is enough evidence of local red brick industrial hertage and history around the area in Trafford Park and Salford Docks to inspire any
creative architect, if that is what people in that part of Trafford/Manchester actually still want to look out at every day. They should be consulted first.
However I think local people will want a minimal modern theme to this project rather than looking like a throwback to the huge Victorian wharehouses, cotton mills, docksides, glue factories that used to dominate and stink out the Manchester skyline.
Manchester was the birth place of the industrial revolution so something similar to that would indeed fit nicely.
Don't see it happening though. However I also don't think it will be a soulless bowl either.
Some of the AI creations are actually really good. One of them looked like a steel toilet seat which I didn't like but a few of the others looked really classy.
Brick is expensive, I'd rather something modern and up to date than a phony tribute to Manchesters industrial history.
This is decent.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-stadium-pictures-ai-32260902.amp
In terms of stadium design, Arsenal were one of the first big clubs in recent times to go modern and theirs is a bowl. As a bit of a pioneer, it reflected more the need to get numbers in and good viewing in a constrained space. The Allianz followed suit
If you look at Atletico's stadium, the Metropolitano, finished 2017/18, that too was more of a focus on cost effective delivery of increased capacity. I went to the UCL final there. It's not very accessible, there's plenty of space around the ground but its pretty empty, internally its pretty basic...but it cost £300m.
City and West Hams are, of course, just adapted athletics grounds so the design was somewhat out of their hands.
Spurs led the way really in developing a more futuristic stadium that enhanced all aspects of a stadium and made it genuinely multi-use. It is not a bowl but at the same time it has had to make the most efficient layout to achieve 2 key criteria of being close to the pitch and delivering capacity. So while it losses some of the distinctiveness of individual stands in a traditional stadium, it has had to.
What is also key about modern stadiums is the concourse levels. These are now more focussed on delivering space and eating and drinking opportunities. As a result these stadiums have a massive footprint. Spurs matchday revenue used to be circa £2m a game. Now they make £1m a game just on food and drink and about £6m a game altogether.
To achieve all these things in a traditional individual stands, square to the pitch configuration while also hitting 100k capacity would be almost impossible. The stands would be phenomenally large, sat at the back you'd be in a different postcode and the creation of the circulation/eating/drinking space around the ground would make the footprint similarly vast.
Looking at the space available around OT, it is not limitless, there will have to be efficient layout and a bowl type approach is the most efficient way of doing this. IMO it will be very difficult to achieve the capacity talked about while also creating a more traditional layout and appearance.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
In terms of stadium design, Arsenal were one of the first big clubs in recent times to go modern and theirs is a bowl. As a bit of a pioneer, it reflected more the need to get numbers in and good viewing in a constrained space. The Allianz followed suit
If you look at Atletico's stadium, the Metropolitano, finished 2017/18, that too was more of a focus on cost effective delivery of increased capacity. I went to the UCL final there. It's not very accessible, there's plenty of space around the ground but its pretty empty, internally its pretty basic...but it cost £300m.
City and West Hams are, of course, just adapted athletics grounds so the design was somewhat out of their hands.
Spurs led the way really in developing a more futuristic stadium that enhanced all aspects of a stadium and made it genuinely multi-use. It is not a bowl but at the same time it has had to make the most efficient layout to achieve 2 key criteria of being close to the pitch and delivering capacity. So while it losses some of the distinctiveness of individual stands in a traditional stadium, it has had to.
What is also key about modern stadiums is the concourse levels. These are now more focussed on delivering space and eating and drinking opportunities. As a result these stadiums have a massive footprint. Spurs matchday revenue used to be circa £2m a game. Now they make £1m a game just on food and drink and about £6m a game altogether.
To achieve all these things in a traditional individual stands, square to the pitch configuration while also hitting 100k capacity would be almost impossible. The stands would be phenomenally large, sat at the back you'd be in a different postcode and the creation of the circulation/eating/drinking space around the ground would make the footprint similarly vast.
Looking at the space available around OT, it is not limitless, there will have to be efficient layout and a bowl type approach is the most efficient way of doing this. IMO it will be very difficult to achieve the capacity talked about while also creating a more traditional layout and appearance.
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there's a metro station literally right outside the Metropolitano
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
In terms of stadium design, Arsenal were one of the first big clubs in recent times to go modern and theirs is a bowl. As a bit of a pioneer, it reflected more the need to get numbers in and good viewing in a constrained space. The Allianz followed suit
If you look at Atletico's stadium, the Metropolitano, finished 2017/18, that too was more of a focus on cost effective delivery of increased capacity. I went to the UCL final there. It's not very accessible, there's plenty of space around the ground but its pretty empty, internally its pretty basic...but it cost £300m.
City and West Hams are, of course, just adapted athletics grounds so the design was somewhat out of their hands.
Spurs led the way really in developing a more futuristic stadium that enhanced all aspects of a stadium and made it genuinely multi-use. It is not a bowl but at the same time it has had to make the most efficient layout to achieve 2 key criteria of being close to the pitch and delivering capacity. So while it losses some of the distinctiveness of individual stands in a traditional stadium, it has had to.
What is also key about modern stadiums is the concourse levels. These are now more focussed on delivering space and eating and drinking opportunities. As a result these stadiums have a massive footprint. Spurs matchday revenue used to be circa £2m a game. Now they make £1m a game just on food and drink and about £6m a game altogether.
To achieve all these things in a traditional individual stands, square to the pitch configuration while also hitting 100k capacity would be almost impossible. The stands would be phenomenally large, sat at the back you'd be in a different postcode and the creation of the circulation/eating/drinking space around the ground would make the footprint similarly vast.
Looking at the space available around OT, it is not limitless, there will have to be efficient layout and a bowl type approach is the most efficient way of doing this. IMO it will be very difficult to achieve the capacity talked about while also creating a more traditional layout and appearance.
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there's a metro station literally right outside the Metropolitano
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70k fans. 1 metro station You have to get the metro out there if coming from the centre but it was chaotic - that said i think that different sets of fans were directed different ways. We approached from the north and the nearest metro was about 1.5 miles walk
It will be 2030 before a ball is kicked, but I love the ambition, good times ahead
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
how did the other thread get derailed?
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Wondering the same
I'm excited to see the plans. No doubt there will be plenty of nods towards the old stadium, whilst making it a world class stadium.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
how did the other thread get derailed?
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Barry is on it pretending to be a United fan again.
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comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
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how did the other thread get derailed?
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Wondering the same
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Barry is on it pretending to be a United fan again.
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Barry couldn't derail his own wardrobe. Guys harmless and funny.
I was wondering how that thread got derailed too
Barry couldn't derail his own wardrobe. Guys harmless and funny.
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Barry used to be funny. He has long since run out of material.
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posted on 30/7/24
I quite like that. Maybe a bit too much of a pastiche of industrial / warehousing style for my liking but a very interesting attempt. I'd maybe go for a design that is less of a imitation of a warehouse, and rather something that is clearly a stadium but references the materials and structures of industrial era architecture. I'd also much prefer the stands are square to the pitch (as per the English / northern European tradition) rather than the now fashionable bowl.
posted on 30/7/24
Something like the SoFi stadium would be amazing
posted on 30/7/24
Design-wise, a little too Romanesque-churchy to me, but as to the general aesthetic, fvck yeah, like it a lot.
One of those but twice the size would do
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
I quite like that. Maybe a bit too much of a pastiche of industrial / warehousing style for my liking but a very interesting attempt. I'd maybe go for a design that is less of a imitation of a warehouse, and rather something that is clearly a stadium but references the materials and structures of industrial era architecture. I'd also much prefer the stands are square to the pitch (as per the English / northern European tradition) rather than the now fashionable bowl.
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Yeah I was referring more to the aesthetic than the actual design (which looks a bit too much like a warehouse).
posted on 30/7/24
Manchester has lots of amazing examples of industrial era architecture converted into modern uses, sometimes with combinations of original structures with steel and glass. I think doing something in that spirit would fit the location really well. A modern stadium (with rectangular stands that hug the touchline) with red brickwork that references the old stadium and the wider metropolis.
posted on 30/7/24
The new OT will never be as good as the revamped Bernabeu
posted on 30/7/24
how did the other thread get derailed?
posted on 30/7/24
I don't know the legalities of such things but (let's state it's possible for here) I'd love them to do something that gives ownership of the stadium to the fans via some kind of share scheme. I'd happily be part 'owner' of the stadium for a dividend every year if it turns a profit.
20m shares at £100 each!
posted on 30/7/24
Not many new build projects in M/C these days reflects Town's industrial heritage. Just modern, grey, glass and metal skyscrapers these days get the go ahead.
But there is enough evidence of local red brick industrial hertage and history around the area in Trafford Park and Salford Docks to inspire any
creative architect, if that is what people in that part of Trafford/Manchester actually still want to look out at every day. They should be consulted first.
However I think local people will want a minimal modern theme to this project rather than looking like a throwback to the huge Victorian wharehouses, cotton mills, docksides, glue factories that used to dominate and stink out the Manchester skyline.
posted on 30/7/24
Manchester was the birth place of the industrial revolution so something similar to that would indeed fit nicely.
Don't see it happening though. However I also don't think it will be a soulless bowl either.
Some of the AI creations are actually really good. One of them looked like a steel toilet seat which I didn't like but a few of the others looked really classy.
posted on 30/7/24
Brick is expensive, I'd rather something modern and up to date than a phony tribute to Manchesters industrial history.
posted on 30/7/24
This is decent.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-stadium-pictures-ai-32260902.amp
posted on 30/7/24
In terms of stadium design, Arsenal were one of the first big clubs in recent times to go modern and theirs is a bowl. As a bit of a pioneer, it reflected more the need to get numbers in and good viewing in a constrained space. The Allianz followed suit
If you look at Atletico's stadium, the Metropolitano, finished 2017/18, that too was more of a focus on cost effective delivery of increased capacity. I went to the UCL final there. It's not very accessible, there's plenty of space around the ground but its pretty empty, internally its pretty basic...but it cost £300m.
City and West Hams are, of course, just adapted athletics grounds so the design was somewhat out of their hands.
Spurs led the way really in developing a more futuristic stadium that enhanced all aspects of a stadium and made it genuinely multi-use. It is not a bowl but at the same time it has had to make the most efficient layout to achieve 2 key criteria of being close to the pitch and delivering capacity. So while it losses some of the distinctiveness of individual stands in a traditional stadium, it has had to.
What is also key about modern stadiums is the concourse levels. These are now more focussed on delivering space and eating and drinking opportunities. As a result these stadiums have a massive footprint. Spurs matchday revenue used to be circa £2m a game. Now they make £1m a game just on food and drink and about £6m a game altogether.
To achieve all these things in a traditional individual stands, square to the pitch configuration while also hitting 100k capacity would be almost impossible. The stands would be phenomenally large, sat at the back you'd be in a different postcode and the creation of the circulation/eating/drinking space around the ground would make the footprint similarly vast.
Looking at the space available around OT, it is not limitless, there will have to be efficient layout and a bowl type approach is the most efficient way of doing this. IMO it will be very difficult to achieve the capacity talked about while also creating a more traditional layout and appearance.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
In terms of stadium design, Arsenal were one of the first big clubs in recent times to go modern and theirs is a bowl. As a bit of a pioneer, it reflected more the need to get numbers in and good viewing in a constrained space. The Allianz followed suit
If you look at Atletico's stadium, the Metropolitano, finished 2017/18, that too was more of a focus on cost effective delivery of increased capacity. I went to the UCL final there. It's not very accessible, there's plenty of space around the ground but its pretty empty, internally its pretty basic...but it cost £300m.
City and West Hams are, of course, just adapted athletics grounds so the design was somewhat out of their hands.
Spurs led the way really in developing a more futuristic stadium that enhanced all aspects of a stadium and made it genuinely multi-use. It is not a bowl but at the same time it has had to make the most efficient layout to achieve 2 key criteria of being close to the pitch and delivering capacity. So while it losses some of the distinctiveness of individual stands in a traditional stadium, it has had to.
What is also key about modern stadiums is the concourse levels. These are now more focussed on delivering space and eating and drinking opportunities. As a result these stadiums have a massive footprint. Spurs matchday revenue used to be circa £2m a game. Now they make £1m a game just on food and drink and about £6m a game altogether.
To achieve all these things in a traditional individual stands, square to the pitch configuration while also hitting 100k capacity would be almost impossible. The stands would be phenomenally large, sat at the back you'd be in a different postcode and the creation of the circulation/eating/drinking space around the ground would make the footprint similarly vast.
Looking at the space available around OT, it is not limitless, there will have to be efficient layout and a bowl type approach is the most efficient way of doing this. IMO it will be very difficult to achieve the capacity talked about while also creating a more traditional layout and appearance.
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there's a metro station literally right outside the Metropolitano
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
In terms of stadium design, Arsenal were one of the first big clubs in recent times to go modern and theirs is a bowl. As a bit of a pioneer, it reflected more the need to get numbers in and good viewing in a constrained space. The Allianz followed suit
If you look at Atletico's stadium, the Metropolitano, finished 2017/18, that too was more of a focus on cost effective delivery of increased capacity. I went to the UCL final there. It's not very accessible, there's plenty of space around the ground but its pretty empty, internally its pretty basic...but it cost £300m.
City and West Hams are, of course, just adapted athletics grounds so the design was somewhat out of their hands.
Spurs led the way really in developing a more futuristic stadium that enhanced all aspects of a stadium and made it genuinely multi-use. It is not a bowl but at the same time it has had to make the most efficient layout to achieve 2 key criteria of being close to the pitch and delivering capacity. So while it losses some of the distinctiveness of individual stands in a traditional stadium, it has had to.
What is also key about modern stadiums is the concourse levels. These are now more focussed on delivering space and eating and drinking opportunities. As a result these stadiums have a massive footprint. Spurs matchday revenue used to be circa £2m a game. Now they make £1m a game just on food and drink and about £6m a game altogether.
To achieve all these things in a traditional individual stands, square to the pitch configuration while also hitting 100k capacity would be almost impossible. The stands would be phenomenally large, sat at the back you'd be in a different postcode and the creation of the circulation/eating/drinking space around the ground would make the footprint similarly vast.
Looking at the space available around OT, it is not limitless, there will have to be efficient layout and a bowl type approach is the most efficient way of doing this. IMO it will be very difficult to achieve the capacity talked about while also creating a more traditional layout and appearance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
there's a metro station literally right outside the Metropolitano
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70k fans. 1 metro station You have to get the metro out there if coming from the centre but it was chaotic - that said i think that different sets of fans were directed different ways. We approached from the north and the nearest metro was about 1.5 miles walk
posted on 30/7/24
It will be 2030 before a ball is kicked, but I love the ambition, good times ahead
posted on 30/7/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
how did the other thread get derailed?
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Wondering the same
posted on 30/7/24
I'm excited to see the plans. No doubt there will be plenty of nods towards the old stadium, whilst making it a world class stadium.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
how did the other thread get derailed?
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Wondering the same
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Barry is on it pretending to be a United fan again.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
how did the other thread get derailed?
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Wondering the same
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Barry is on it pretending to be a United fan again.
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Barry couldn't derail his own wardrobe. Guys harmless and funny.
I was wondering how that thread got derailed too
posted on 30/7/24
Barry couldn't derail his own wardrobe. Guys harmless and funny.
.......................
Barry used to be funny. He has long since run out of material.
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