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posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

You need to stop with this Toney obsession. Good PL striker but that's it. Not a huge upgrade on Jackson if at all.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
You need to stop with this Toney obsession. Good PL striker but that's it. Not a huge upgrade on Jackson if at all.
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He’s much better than Jackson and will score 20+ PL goals this season. Will also be a great foil for Palmer and co to work off

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
You need to stop with this Toney obsession. Good PL striker but that's it. Not a huge upgrade on Jackson if at all.
--------------------------------------------------------------- Jackson is crap

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

I wonder how he will fit in with the other 42 players they have.

What will Chelsea do if no one wants to take their rejects on loan?

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

IMO Toney is exactly the sort of player Utd needed.

A team that has scored 58 & 57 goals in the last 2 seasons needs someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net better than Rasmus, who doesnt look like a natural finisher. Zirkzee looks OK but he's unlikely to be a big numbers guy. Toney's been better than a 1 in 2 striker for Brentford

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
You need to stop with this Toney obsession. Good PL striker but that's it. Not a huge upgrade on Jackson if at all.
--------------------------------------------------------------- Jackson is crap
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Didn’t he score 4 past you lot last season?

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by TLLL (U4640)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
You need to stop with this Toney obsession. Good PL striker but that's it. Not a huge upgrade on Jackson if at all.
--------------------------------------------------------------- Jackson is crap
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Didn’t he score 4 past you lot last season?
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I could have scored against a 9 man Spurs team hell-bent on attacking

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

He won't take their pens so that'll be quite a few goals he won't usually be getting.

Supposedly the reason all the top clubs passed on him is his poor first touch, lets see how it goes.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
You need to stop with this Toney obsession. Good PL striker but that's it. Not a huge upgrade on Jackson if at all.
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He’s much better than Jackson and will score 20+ PL goals this season. Will also be a great foil for Palmer and co to work off
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Same as Lukaku was going to do the same for them and make them title contenders.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
He won't take their pens so that'll be quite a few goals he won't usually be getting.

Supposedly the reason all the top clubs passed on him is his poor first touch, lets see how it goes.
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Very true.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I wonder how he will fit in with the other 42 players they have.

What will Chelsea do if no one wants to take their rejects on loan?
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They're going to have so many player that they cannot register either in their PL or European squads.

Take Sterling, they want him gone...he has 3 years left, is on £325k a week (£17m a year). There's no way he's walking away from £50m and there's no way anyone other than Saudi will pay that and he may have no interest in playing there.

Their recent actions seem to be trying to force him out but if they cannot then surely they have to have him in the squad. The worth of a player not playing will plummet and what is more likely is that he will see his CFC contract out through loans where they pay a massive chunk of his wages.

Their chickens coming home to roost...and this is a player the current owners brought in...cannot even blame Roman, like they can for Lukaku.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
IMO Toney is exactly the sort of player Utd needed.

A team that has scored 58 & 57 goals in the last 2 seasons needs someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net better than Rasmus, who doesnt look like a natural finisher. Zirkzee looks OK but he's unlikely to be a big numbers guy. Toney's been better than a 1 in 2 striker for Brentford
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Hojlund's only PL season. Goal from play every 217 minutes.

Toney's best PL season. Goal from play every 211 minutes.

But go on.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
IMO Toney is exactly the sort of player Utd needed.

A team that has scored 58 & 57 goals in the last 2 seasons needs someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net better than Rasmus, who doesnt look like a natural finisher. Zirkzee looks OK but he's unlikely to be a big numbers guy. Toney's been better than a 1 in 2 striker for Brentford
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Hojlund's only PL season. Goal from play every 217 minutes.

Toney's best PL season. Goal from play every 211 minutes.

But go on.
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One playing for a newly promoted team the other playing for an expensively assembled United

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

Toney's attitude has been called into question and it remains that we don't have the funds to address all areas of the team this summer. There's no doubt he's a good player, but there's more than one good reason he's probably not an ideal fit.

People seem to forget that Rasmus scored 16 goals in his debut season in a new league at age 20/21 and 10 goals in Italy at 19/20.

At the same age, Ivan Toney was struggling to hit double digits for goals on loan at Scunthorpe and Wigan in League One.

Rasmus and Zirkzee are young talents who are significantly further ahead in their development than Toney was at the same age. Personally I'd prefer to see us exercise a little patience and enjoy watching our young players develop.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
IMO Toney is exactly the sort of player Utd needed.

A team that has scored 58 & 57 goals in the last 2 seasons needs someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net better than Rasmus, who doesnt look like a natural finisher. Zirkzee looks OK but he's unlikely to be a big numbers guy. Toney's been better than a 1 in 2 striker for Brentford
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Hojlund's only PL season. Goal from play every 217 minutes.

Toney's best PL season. Goal from play every 211 minutes.

But go on.
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One playing for a newly promoted team the other playing for an expensively assembled United
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Brentford finished 9th in Toney's best season with 58 goals & 59 points.

United finished 8th last season with 57 goals and 60 points.

Regardless of the price of squads, Brentford in 22/23 were a similar level to United last year.

As embarrassing as that is for United, Hojlund did not have it easier last year than Toney did the year before.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
IMO Toney is exactly the sort of player Utd needed.

A team that has scored 58 & 57 goals in the last 2 seasons needs someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net better than Rasmus, who doesnt look like a natural finisher. Zirkzee looks OK but he's unlikely to be a big numbers guy. Toney's been better than a 1 in 2 striker for Brentford
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Hojlund's only PL season. Goal from play every 217 minutes.

Toney's best PL season. Goal from play every 211 minutes.

But go on.
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One playing for a newly promoted team the other playing for an expensively assembled United
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Brentford were statistically a more creative team than we were last season.

And this is the point really, having someone who can 'put the ball in the net' is less of a problem for us than being able to create the opportunities for them to do so in the first place, which starts right from the back. You can't on the one hand comment about how much of a disorganised mess we are as a club, whilst on the other saying 'well, Hojlund should score more than Toney because you paid loads of money for him'

Fwiw I really rate Toney and i think he would also help with chance creation, but I reckon there are other reasons the big teams haven't gone for him this summer despite most needing a CF - and it's taken Chelsea until the last week of the window. There was talk of Arsenal being put off by his attitude, which there might be something in.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

Rob giving the kiss of death to a Chelsea striker flop.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
IMO Toney is exactly the sort of player Utd needed.

A team that has scored 58 & 57 goals in the last 2 seasons needs someone capable of putting the ball in the back of the net better than Rasmus, who doesnt look like a natural finisher. Zirkzee looks OK but he's unlikely to be a big numbers guy. Toney's been better than a 1 in 2 striker for Brentford
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Hojlund's only PL season. Goal from play every 217 minutes.

Toney's best PL season. Goal from play every 211 minutes.

But go on.
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One playing for a newly promoted team the other playing for an expensively assembled United
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And which of those teams overall looked more coherent tactically, more like the sum of its parts, and with more players suited to the jobs they were doing - Brentford in 22/23 or United in 23/24? Brentford were significantly the better team in terms of underlying stats. Much better goal difference, expected goal difference etc.

I'd be delighted to have Toney at United. It's indeed too much to rely on a youngster as the primary centre forward. But United have got into the current mess by locking in too much in future salary commitments on players at and just after their peak. It means we aren't in a position to assemble a squad without significant gaps right now. And it also means we need to be disciplined about buying players who still have potential to realise, on lower wages, who can be expected to appreciate in value, and if they don't work out they won't be such costly mistakes and won't be so difficult to move on.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

BTW I quite like the cut of Nicolas Jackson's jib. If he can develop some composure in front of goal (a big 'if', but there have been plenty of strikers who acquired that ability in time) he'd be an excellent player.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

...Alright then: I'm going to toss Jackson's name in the hat for the Sancho swap deal.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1828440586002567318

Sancho set to leave. Sterling the easiest 'swap' apparently.

I'd not be fully against Sterling to be honest if he could get near the form he had at City. He does have a happy scoring knack and he'd surely be better than Sancho. Has also played in the false 9 role at times if I recall.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1828440586002567318

Sancho set to leave. Sterling the easiest 'swap' apparently.

I'd not be fully against Sterling to be honest if he could get near the form he had at City. He does have a happy scoring knack and he'd surely be better than Sancho. Has also played in the false 9 role at times if I recall.


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If we sign Sterling it will just undue the great work INEOS have done this summer.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1828440586002567318

Sancho set to leave. Sterling the easiest 'swap' apparently.

I'd not be fully against Sterling to be honest if he could get near the form he had at City. He does have a happy scoring knack and he'd surely be better than Sancho. Has also played in the false 9 role at times if I recall.


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I just think it would be Alexis Sanchez all over again. City know when to get rid of a player.

If it does happen, I hope I'm wrong.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

I'm not stating that I'd particularly want Sterling but he would be someone I'd be willing to accept if it meant offloading Sancho.

posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago

In terms of which player would be a better asset to United this season, I think Sterling. But the financials don't work. Sterling isn't going to take a massive pay cut to move to United. United, who want to reduce the age of the squad and cut the wage bill, aren't going to solve the Sancho problem by bringing in an older player on an even bigger salary.

I think this is just a media speculation story. They see two teams who want to get rid of wide forwards and suggest a swap would work for both. At a stretch, you could have a loan deal, but even that doesn't help United financially, which is the main reason for shipping Sancho.

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