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posted 23 minutes ago
Apologies if someone already asked this, but assuming Sancho is shipped and there's a sense that we could do with another wide option, what about Sterling vs Chiesa as affordable loan players? I haven't seen anything of the latter since his incredible Euro2020, so no idea how much the injury has taken out of his pace. Sterling certainly isn't the player he used to be in that respect, who was incredible at making runs behind the defence to finish off moves. He's very much another ball to feet player at this point.
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I’m surprised it’s taken you so long to mention Chiesa RR. The rest of us have been talking about it for ages.
I believe I was the first to suggest a swap with Sancho some days ago
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posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
Apologies if someone already asked this, but assuming Sancho is shipped and there's a sense that we could do with another wide option, what about Sterling vs Chiesa as affordable loan players? I haven't seen anything of the latter since his incredible Euro2020, so no idea how much the injury has taken out of his pace. Sterling certainly isn't the player he used to be in that respect, who was incredible at making runs behind the defence to finish off moves. He's very much another ball to feet player at this point.
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I’m surprised it’s taken you so long to mention Chiesa RR. The rest of us have been talking about it for ages.
I believe I was the first to suggest a swap with Sancho some days ago
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
Apologies if someone already asked this, but assuming Sancho is shipped and there's a sense that we could do with another wide option, what about Sterling vs Chiesa as affordable loan players? I haven't seen anything of the latter since his incredible Euro2020, so no idea how much the injury has taken out of his pace. Sterling certainly isn't the player he used to be in that respect, who was incredible at making runs behind the defence to finish off moves. He's very much another ball to feet player at this point.
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I’m surprised it’s taken you so long to mention Chiesa RR. The rest of us have been talking about it for ages.
I believe I was the first to suggest a swap with Sancho some days ago
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Is that what da kidz are nowadays calling a “chomp”?
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He actually won't. one of the great fallacies of United supporters, we do not create chances
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posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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All hypothetical.
Let’s speak facts.
Toney in the PL from play. 25 goals in 83 games.
Hojlund 10 in 30.
Add in their ages and there is little evidence at all that Toney is a better goalscorer than Hojlund.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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Take away Toney's penalties and Hojlund has a better minutes per goals ratio in the PL. And Zirkzee's in the Serie A is better than Toney's in the PL.
We already have an exceptional penalty take in Bruno, so don't need another.
Toney is a good player, but he really isn't what you make him out to be. Give it a rest.
If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He's get more chances at United would he? Like Hojlund did last season? He had just 38 shots in target in the PL last season. To put that into context, Haaland had 121 shots in the PL last season.
Hojlund actually has a superior conversion rate to Haaland. And much better than Toney.
Instead of forming an opinion and sticking to it, you need to actually look at the facts.
Hojlund struggled mainly due to the fact he got very little service. Give him the service and he easily get 20 PL goals in a ful season.
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He actually won't. one of the great fallacies of United supporters, we do not create chances
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It's like some of our fans don't actually watch us play.
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He's get more chances at United would he? Like Hojlund did last season? He had just 38 shots in target in the PL last season. To put that into context, Haaland had 121 shots in the PL last season.
Hojlund actually has a superior conversion rate to Haaland. And much better than Toney.
Instead of forming an opinion and sticking to it, you need to actually look at the facts.
Hojlund struggled mainly due to the fact he got very little service. Give him the service and he easily get 20 PL goals in a ful season.
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And you think I overrate Toney 😂
Give it a rest Elvis.
I think saying Hojlund would easily get 20 league goals is a bit of a stretch myself.
Very few players achieve this, and I can’t see him being one of them personally.
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He's get more chances at United would he? Like Hojlund did last season? He had just 38 shots in target in the PL last season. To put that into context, Haaland had 121 shots in the PL last season.
Hojlund actually has a superior conversion rate to Haaland. And much better than Toney.
Instead of forming an opinion and sticking to it, you need to actually look at the facts.
Hojlund struggled mainly due to the fact he got very little service. Give him the service and he easily get 20 PL goals in a ful season.
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And you think I overrate Toney 😂
Give it a rest Elvis.
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I have said multiple times that Hojlund is by no means the finished article. There are areas he needs to work on. That doesn't alter the fact that he currently has a far superior conversion rate to oney - a goal every 3.8 shots to a goal every 8.4 shots. It also doesn't alter the facts that he scores a PL goal from open play every 217 minutes compared to Toney's 293 minutes.
Yet Toney is a proven PL scorer and Hojlund isn't?
If we actually give the lad some service I am confident he scores 20 league goals. Although his injury obviously hasn't helped this season.
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If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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I think saying Hojlund would easily get 20 league goals is a bit of a stretch myself.
Very few players achieve this, and I can’t see him being one of them personally.
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If he had played the full season he'd have probably got 13ish. Not bad for a 20 year old who had just moved clubs/country and who was playing in a team ravaged by injuries. And we really didn't have any patterns of play, meaning he was feeding off scraps. I don't see any reason he can't score 20 league goals if we can get our act together.
It’s possible, but becoming increasingly rare. I don’t see it myself.
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If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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Exactly. I just get this Toney love in whatsoever. Good PL striker but that's it. JSP's cousins comment that he would rather Toney to any signing we've made in the past 2 years is also quite bizarre.
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comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
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If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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Exactly. I just get this Toney love in whatsoever. Good PL striker but that's it. JSP's cousins comment that he would rather Toney to any signing we've made in the past 2 years is also quite bizarre.
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It’s possible, but becoming increasingly rare. I don’t see it myself.
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All the players that got 19+ league goals last season had between 2.5 - 3.0 as many shots on goal as Hojlund.
I don't expect that we will suddenly start creating him double or more chances, but I do expect some improvement. If he was playing at City then I have no doubt he'd manage 20+.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 29 minutes ago
It’s possible, but becoming increasingly rare. I don’t see it myself.
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All the players that got 19+ league goals last season had between 2.5 - 3.0 as many shots on goal as Hojlund.
I don't expect that we will suddenly start creating him double or more chances, but I do expect some improvement. If he was playing at City then I have no doubt he'd manage 20+.
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I’m just saying not many strikers score 20+ league goals in the Prem anymore, and the ones that do are generally bona-fire world class.
Salah
Kane
Suarez
But James Beattie managed once so who knows, there’s certainly similarities in their game.
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If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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Exactly. I just get this Toney love in whatsoever. Good PL striker but that's it. JSP's cousins comment that he would rather Toney to any signing we've made in the past 2 years is also quite bizarre.
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Yeh I don't really get it myself. He is a good player as you say, but he has only really had one good year in the PL, in which he scored 14 from open play. He's no better than Lukaku.
Apologies I should caveat that they’re generally penalty takers too.
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posted on 29/8/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
Apologies if someone already asked this, but assuming Sancho is shipped and there's a sense that we could do with another wide option, what about Sterling vs Chiesa as affordable loan players? I haven't seen anything of the latter since his incredible Euro2020, so no idea how much the injury has taken out of his pace. Sterling certainly isn't the player he used to be in that respect, who was incredible at making runs behind the defence to finish off moves. He's very much another ball to feet player at this point.
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I’m surprised it’s taken you so long to mention Chiesa RR. The rest of us have been talking about it for ages.
I believe I was the first to suggest a swap with Sancho some days ago
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
posted on 29/8/24
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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Apologies if someone already asked this, but assuming Sancho is shipped and there's a sense that we could do with another wide option, what about Sterling vs Chiesa as affordable loan players? I haven't seen anything of the latter since his incredible Euro2020, so no idea how much the injury has taken out of his pace. Sterling certainly isn't the player he used to be in that respect, who was incredible at making runs behind the defence to finish off moves. He's very much another ball to feet player at this point.
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I’m surprised it’s taken you so long to mention Chiesa RR. The rest of us have been talking about it for ages.
I believe I was the first to suggest a swap with Sancho some days ago
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
posted on 29/8/24
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Apologies if someone already asked this, but assuming Sancho is shipped and there's a sense that we could do with another wide option, what about Sterling vs Chiesa as affordable loan players? I haven't seen anything of the latter since his incredible Euro2020, so no idea how much the injury has taken out of his pace. Sterling certainly isn't the player he used to be in that respect, who was incredible at making runs behind the defence to finish off moves. He's very much another ball to feet player at this point.
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I’m surprised it’s taken you so long to mention Chiesa RR. The rest of us have been talking about it for ages.
I believe I was the first to suggest a swap with Sancho some days ago
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Is that what da kidz are nowadays calling a “chomp”?
posted on 29/8/24
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He actually won't. one of the great fallacies of United supporters, we do not create chances
posted on 29/8/24
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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All hypothetical.
Let’s speak facts.
Toney in the PL from play. 25 goals in 83 games.
Hojlund 10 in 30.
Add in their ages and there is little evidence at all that Toney is a better goalscorer than Hojlund.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
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posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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Take away Toney's penalties and Hojlund has a better minutes per goals ratio in the PL. And Zirkzee's in the Serie A is better than Toney's in the PL.
We already have an exceptional penalty take in Bruno, so don't need another.
Toney is a good player, but he really isn't what you make him out to be. Give it a rest.
posted on 29/8/24
If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He's get more chances at United would he? Like Hojlund did last season? He had just 38 shots in target in the PL last season. To put that into context, Haaland had 121 shots in the PL last season.
Hojlund actually has a superior conversion rate to Haaland. And much better than Toney.
Instead of forming an opinion and sticking to it, you need to actually look at the facts.
Hojlund struggled mainly due to the fact he got very little service. Give him the service and he easily get 20 PL goals in a ful season.
posted on 29/8/24
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He actually won't. one of the great fallacies of United supporters, we do not create chances
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It's like some of our fans don't actually watch us play.
posted on 29/8/24
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I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He's get more chances at United would he? Like Hojlund did last season? He had just 38 shots in target in the PL last season. To put that into context, Haaland had 121 shots in the PL last season.
Hojlund actually has a superior conversion rate to Haaland. And much better than Toney.
Instead of forming an opinion and sticking to it, you need to actually look at the facts.
Hojlund struggled mainly due to the fact he got very little service. Give him the service and he easily get 20 PL goals in a ful season.
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And you think I overrate Toney 😂
Give it a rest Elvis.
posted on 29/8/24
I think saying Hojlund would easily get 20 league goals is a bit of a stretch myself.
Very few players achieve this, and I can’t see him being one of them personally.
posted on 29/8/24
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posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I'd take Toney over Sterling and also over every signing we've made this summer and last. Did no one notice how much we struggled for goals?
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“He’s a good striker but not this top player who guarantees 20+ a season that Robb and the likes portray him to be.”
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I never said he guarantees 20 a season. But he has scored that and he’s at an age where you’d think he’d get more than Hojlund and Zirkzee. His hold up play is top class and he just offers something very different to what we have. We can’t just rely on kids up top. I doubt we’ll get him but he would very much improve our options and if Chelsea get him we’ll suffer when it comes to competing with them for top 4 as they’ll have a proven scorer and we won’t.
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His record from play in the PL is 25 goals in 83 games I believe. Take away penalties and I'm not sure he fits into the proven goalscorer category any more than the likes of DCL, Richarlison, Jesus, Havertz, even Hojlund. Does he offer anything different to Zirkzee who is much younger?
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That’s for Brentford. He’d get more chances at United and he has experience which is something Zirkzee doesn’t have. He most certainly is a better goalscorer than Hojlund from your list and would be just the type off striker SAF would go for rather than just trust kids.
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He's get more chances at United would he? Like Hojlund did last season? He had just 38 shots in target in the PL last season. To put that into context, Haaland had 121 shots in the PL last season.
Hojlund actually has a superior conversion rate to Haaland. And much better than Toney.
Instead of forming an opinion and sticking to it, you need to actually look at the facts.
Hojlund struggled mainly due to the fact he got very little service. Give him the service and he easily get 20 PL goals in a ful season.
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And you think I overrate Toney 😂
Give it a rest Elvis.
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I have said multiple times that Hojlund is by no means the finished article. There are areas he needs to work on. That doesn't alter the fact that he currently has a far superior conversion rate to oney - a goal every 3.8 shots to a goal every 8.4 shots. It also doesn't alter the facts that he scores a PL goal from open play every 217 minutes compared to Toney's 293 minutes.
Yet Toney is a proven PL scorer and Hojlund isn't?
If we actually give the lad some service I am confident he scores 20 league goals. Although his injury obviously hasn't helped this season.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 31 minutes ago
I think saying Hojlund would easily get 20 league goals is a bit of a stretch myself.
Very few players achieve this, and I can’t see him being one of them personally.
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If he had played the full season he'd have probably got 13ish. Not bad for a 20 year old who had just moved clubs/country and who was playing in a team ravaged by injuries. And we really didn't have any patterns of play, meaning he was feeding off scraps. I don't see any reason he can't score 20 league goals if we can get our act together.
posted on 29/8/24
It’s possible, but becoming increasingly rare. I don’t see it myself.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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Exactly. I just get this Toney love in whatsoever. Good PL striker but that's it. JSP's cousins comment that he would rather Toney to any signing we've made in the past 2 years is also quite bizarre.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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Exactly. I just get this Toney love in whatsoever. Good PL striker but that's it. JSP's cousins comment that he would rather Toney to any signing we've made in the past 2 years is also quite bizarre.
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*don't get
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 29 minutes ago
It’s possible, but becoming increasingly rare. I don’t see it myself.
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All the players that got 19+ league goals last season had between 2.5 - 3.0 as many shots on goal as Hojlund.
I don't expect that we will suddenly start creating him double or more chances, but I do expect some improvement. If he was playing at City then I have no doubt he'd manage 20+.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 29 minutes ago
It’s possible, but becoming increasingly rare. I don’t see it myself.
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All the players that got 19+ league goals last season had between 2.5 - 3.0 as many shots on goal as Hojlund.
I don't expect that we will suddenly start creating him double or more chances, but I do expect some improvement. If he was playing at City then I have no doubt he'd manage 20+.
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I’m just saying not many strikers score 20+ league goals in the Prem anymore, and the ones that do are generally bona-fire world class.
Salah
Kane
Suarez
But James Beattie managed once so who knows, there’s certainly similarities in their game.
posted on 29/8/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Robb Raygun (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
If you’d rather have Hojlund over Toney then it shows how badly the standards have fallen at the club.
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Yet here you are touting for us to spend £40m on a 28 year old who only has 25 top flight goals from open play. Make it make sense.
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Exactly. I just get this Toney love in whatsoever. Good PL striker but that's it. JSP's cousins comment that he would rather Toney to any signing we've made in the past 2 years is also quite bizarre.
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Yeh I don't really get it myself. He is a good player as you say, but he has only really had one good year in the PL, in which he scored 14 from open play. He's no better than Lukaku.
posted on 29/8/24
Apologies I should caveat that they’re generally penalty takers too.
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