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posted on 2/9/24

comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 14 hours, 6 minutes ago
Watch out for overoptimismitus folks

^^^

My guess, you mean the ones who declare
us champions in august before a ball's kicked.
Lay bets on it, call goal tallies, rubbish other
teams, declare themselves experts?

Maybe? No idea. Just spit balling here.
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How do you think we will do this season?

posted on 2/9/24

Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.

posted on 2/9/24

comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one tha... (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Dont know Keeper is 33rd best in league and Struijk is garbage 🤷🏻‍♂️

posted on 2/9/24

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one tha... (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Dont know Keeper is 33rd best in league and Struijk is garbage 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Stats don't lie LIW, not my fault your dad's a better judge of a player than you are.

posted on 2/9/24

comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one that saves me. (U14008)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Firpo, another stat for LIW to digest, most assists by any player in the championship this calandar year.

posted on 2/9/24

comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one tha... (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Dont know Keeper is 33rd best in league and Struijk is garbage 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Stats don't lie LIW, not my fault your dad's a better judge of a player than you are.

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You dont even understand stats 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


And stats dont work in things like football, because every thing is variables 👍

posted on 2/9/24

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one tha... (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Dont know Keeper is 33rd best in league and Struijk is garbage 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Stats don't lie LIW, not my fault your dad's a better judge of a player than you are.

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You dont even understand stats 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


And stats dont work in things like football, because every thing is variables 👍
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You not got any work to do?

posted on 2/9/24

comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one that saves me. (U14008)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Firpo, another stat for LIW to digest, most assists by any player in the championship this calandar year.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


No he isnt, Leif Davis has more 🤦🤦🤦

posted on 2/9/24

And stats dont work in things like football, because every thing is variables 👍

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tell that to Beilsa..

of course there are variables, buts stats work in any sport or anything actually.





posted on 2/9/24

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one tha... (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Dont know Keeper is 33rd best in league and Struijk is garbage 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Stats don't lie LIW, not my fault your dad's a better judge of a player than you are.

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You dont even understand stats 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


And stats dont work in things like football, because every thing is variables 👍
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Football is stats all over nowadays, they pay mega money to analyse stats and data, both teams and media. Where have you been living.

posted on 2/9/24

I think you could pull out a couple of things and say, the stats don't really show the full truth..

but generally, stats are pretty close to the nuckle.

the team that wins the most games, scores the most goals or whatever usually wins the league etc.

the goalkeeper that keeps the most clean sheets.... the striker winger with the most assists, generally the better players.

of course we have variables, so you can't cling to them... for example a keeper that makes the most saves, usually means a crap defence

posted on 2/9/24

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one that saves me. (U14008)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
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Firpo, another stat for LIW to digest, most assists by any player in the championship this calandar year.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


No he isnt, Leif Davis has more 🤦🤦🤦
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Two problems with that, Leif Davis had most assists in 2023/24, what are is figure for this calendar year and he does not play in the championship.

posted on 2/9/24

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 7 minutes ago
And stats dont work in things like football, because every thing is variables 👍

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tell that to Beilsa..

of course there are variables, buts stats work in any sport or anything actually.






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Bielsa

Didnt use alot of stats, he used data, to different things.

posted on 2/9/24

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 41 seconds ago

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 7 minutes ago
And stats dont work in things like football, because every thing is variables 👍

---------------

tell that to Beilsa..

of course there are variables, buts stats work in any sport or anything actually.






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Bielsa

Didnt use alot of stats, he used data, to different things.

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agree they are different, but he was huge on stats mate, huge...

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 2/9/24

How do you think we will do this season?

^^^

No idea. Not going to pretend to know.

The Championship is a marathon not a sprint.
Last season we stumbled out the blocks.
Then got our act together. Failed to capitalize
by adding in January window. Staggered at
the end when we should've got autos.
Shook thst off and made it to the play off final.
Got outclassed and beat.

Same could happen again.

We could go up as Champions. We could get autos.

We have the resources to boss this division.
My hope is we do just that. Last two games we've
looked really good. I like who we've added in the
window. But selfishly wish we'd got a true 10.
I'm not alone there. Farke said same.

We're capable of playing very good football.
Farke's style of play is a great watch.
I think Mateo is going to be great.

Struijk looks brilliant. I like Firpo and Bogle.
Rodon, Meslier, and Amps have had slow starts.
Not overly worried there.

Aaronsson looks solid. Him and Gnonto are buzzing.
Ecstatic Gnonto signed a new contract. Love him.

I think Tanaka looks really good. So does Solomon.

Pretty much where I am right now. Giddy.

posted on 2/9/24

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you could pull out a couple of things and say, the stats don't really show the full truth..

but generally, stats are pretty close to the nuckle.

the team that wins the most games, scores the most goals or whatever usually wins the league etc.

the goalkeeper that keeps the most clean sheets.... the striker winger with the most assists, generally the better players.

of course we have variables, so you can't cling to them... for example a keeper that makes the most saves, usually means a crap defence
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them stats are, I agree


but things like a team who has alot of possession, explains nothing without actually watching them etc etc etc.


Thats what am talking about stats are pretty useless without visual

posted on 2/9/24

comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Gyabi, you're gonna be the one that saves me. (U14008)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Age old argument on here but I'd much rather be an over-optimist than a persistent pessimist.

Think Joseph looks really good. A lot of the Bamford off the ball stuff but hopefully a more natural finisher. We will see with time. Aaronsson, Firpo and Struijk been our three best players so far this season for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firpo, another stat for LIW to digest, most assists by any player in the championship this calandar year.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


No he isnt, Leif Davis has more 🤦🤦🤦
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Two problems with that, Leif Davis had most assists in 2023/24, what are is figure for this calendar year and he does not play in the championship.
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10, more than firpo 👍

posted on 2/9/24

on the subject of Firpo, looks fantastic in glimpse's, he's one of those players I was really excited when he came... a Bielsa choice (well, Bielsa approval at least), and signed from Barca.... what could possibly go wrong

posted on 2/9/24

but things like a team who has alot of possession, explains nothing without actually watching them etc etc etc.

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oh yeah LIW totally agree there.... a team having more possession in games can mean absolutely nothing, you have to do something with all the possession you have

posted on 2/9/24


Data is the raw information from which statistics are created. Put in the reverse, statistics provide an interpretation and summary of data

posted on 2/9/24

I remember years and years ago on here, a stats argument.... back when Diago costa played for Altetico Madrid, we were L1 and someone said Altelico have done it the right way, have David Villa and the rest journey men - suggested Leeds should copy.

was livid - not because its a silly idea.. but more because Atletico were littered with stars, Costa, Aguero, Villa... and just because he'd only heard of Villa, he assumed they were all journey men... tried to post stats on Costa's season, fell on deaf ears.

I think then, Costa then signed for Chelsea and totally dominated the premier league.

one of the very rare occasions I was right

posted on 2/9/24

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 24 seconds ago
but things like a team who has alot of possession, explains nothing without actually watching them etc etc etc.

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oh yeah LIW totally agree there.... a team having more possession in games can mean absolutely nothing, you have to do something with all the possession you have
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Think this is one where, if we were sat over a pint, its alot easier to get point across and we’d virtually be agreeing.

I always have this analogy.


Winger constanly skins full back, creates loads of chances, but bamford misses them all or keeper pulls of worldies.

Winger on other side, has a complete nighmare cant go past full back or anything, but puts in a cross, which takes a deflection, hit striker on knee and bobbles through keepers legs.

Statistically second winger would have better stats in some references 🤷🏻‍♂️


Not a true reflection though

posted on 2/9/24

comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 4 minutes ago

Data is the raw information from which statistics are created. Put in the reverse, statistics provide an interpretation and summary of data
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Alphabetical ?

posted on 2/9/24

comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Undefeated (U8453)
posted 11 seconds ago

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 24 seconds ago
but things like a team who has alot of possession, explains nothing without actually watching them etc etc etc.

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oh yeah LIW totally agree there.... a team having more possession in games can mean absolutely nothing, you have to do something with all the possession you have
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Think this is one where, if we were sat over a pint, its alot easier to get point across and we’d virtually be agreeing.

I always have this analogy.


Winger constanly skins full back, creates loads of chances, but bamford misses them all or keeper pulls of worldies.

Winger on other side, has a complete nighmare cant go past full back or anything, but puts in a cross, which takes a deflection, hit striker on knee and bobbles through keepers legs.

Statistically second winger would have better stats in some references 🤷🏻‍♂️


Not a true reflection though

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yeah indeed... isn't there a stat of expected goals tho? - (I'm guessing here), but isn;t that to correct this sort of thing within the stats?

posted on 2/9/24

Data and statistics are both just information, it's how you interpret and use them.
In relation to the information about the keepers from last year Klaesson had better figures than Meslier but you'd expect that from the number of appearances he made, you can only really base it on keepers who are regular, so of course Meslier wasn't 30 something worst keeper in the league but we could have done and can do much better. We are screaming out for a better keeper.
He scares the bejesus out of me and I am certain he will cost us goals.
I really hope he proves me wrong though.

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