comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
That Yoro lad is gonna have a lot of pressure on him when he's fit to play. Always felt that the thing United needed this summer was pace at the back, energy in midfield and a goal scorer. Don't think you ticked any of those boxes, although i know little about Yoro.
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fortunately yoro is a pacy defender, who likes to step into midfield, where he adds energy to the team, and will also be a frequent source of goals.
but there's no pressure on him, really.
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Meh, he's 18, full of confidence.
That's that fvcked then
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 24 minutes ago
Mazraoui already looks very good and a huge upgrade on Wan Bissaka.
As for Zirkzee, De Ligt and Ugarte.....it's very early days of course but my god they have been poor. I didn't think Zirkzee was Utd quality even before he kicked a ball and nothing I have seen so far had changed my mind. 1 goal in 8 games and countless big chances missed. He's just not good enough for us.
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He is very good at linking our attacks. I don't see him being a no.9, but more of a no.10 playing in behind Hojlund. Lets see how he gets on once Hojlund is back starting.
I also think it is difficult to properly assess most of our players at the moment, as we are just a mess all over the park. Maybe under a new manager we would see a few of our players improve?
Ugarte's flaws on the ball were widely known.
De Ligt's serious lack of pace obviously wasn't a secret. Not great on the ball either
Zirkzee just never looked a United player. His goal record for a mid table Italian club didn't exactly scream PL success at all. He also looks slow, overweight a bit even and he's got absolutely no composure.
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It's brainless to draw any conclusions about players just getting their first few minutes in the side - a side that has a host of problems before it comes to integrating new players. So pretty much anything anyone is saying at the moment will be reiterating what they thought about the players before they kicked a ball.
Ugarte - he's not been signed as a creative player or sublime passer but he had the best stats of any midfielder against Spurs in terms of ball retention. So where are these 'flaws on the ball' showing themselves?
De Ligt - pace is no worse than Maguire's, who is the other available option; has had a couple of strong games as well as a couple of dodgy ones; a better passer than Maguire, and much more comfortable receiving and passing the ball than Varane (who seemed to get a free pass on his limitations with the ball at his feet).
Everyone knew that Zirkzee isn't a high-volume goalscorer, but more of a false nine. He has looked pretty impressive to me when it comes to knitting play together, and we have created plenty of chances so far from his hold up and distribution. For me the question is how the club envisages using him when Hojlund is ready to start. I could maybe see him as a long-term replacement for Bruno. Or if he's playing as a false 9, as a facilitator who gets more goals out of the wide forwards - but that implies having two very different game plans depending on whether Zirkzee or Hojlund is on the field.
"What's worrying is fans seem to know more about some of these players than the scouts do."
If you really believe this, I'm worried about you.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 seconds ago
Ugarte's flaws on the ball were widely known.
De Ligt's serious lack of pace obviously wasn't a secret. Not great on the ball either
Zirkzee just never looked a United player. His goal record for a mid table Italian club didn't exactly scream PL success at all. He also looks slow, overweight a bit even and he's got absolutely no composure.
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It's brainless to draw any conclusions about players just getting their first few minutes in the side - a side that has a host of problems before it comes to integrating new players. So pretty much anything anyone is saying at the moment will be reiterating what they thought about the players before they kicked a ball.
Ugarte - he's not been signed as a creative player or sublime passer but he had the best stats of any midfielder against Spurs in terms of ball retention. So where are these 'flaws on the ball' showing themselves?
De Ligt - pace is no worse than Maguire's, who is the other available option; has had a couple of strong games as well as a couple of dodgy ones; a better passer than Maguire, and much more comfortable receiving and passing the ball than Varane (who seemed to get a free pass on his limitations with the ball at his feet).
Everyone knew that Zirkzee isn't a high-volume goalscorer, but more of a false nine. He has looked pretty impressive to me when it comes to knitting play together, and we have created plenty of chances so far from his hold up and distribution. For me the question is how the club envisages using him when Hojlund is ready to start. I could maybe see him as a long-term replacement for Bruno. Or if he's playing as a false 9, as a facilitator who gets more goals out of the wide forwards - but that implies having two very different game plans depending on whether Zirkzee or Hojlund is on the field.
"What's worrying is fans seem to know more about some of these players than the scouts do."
If you really believe this, I'm worried about you.
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No offence mate but your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You have argued with me for months on this manager and look who was right.
I said multiple times 'so far' and it's 'early days' too if you noticed. Doesn't mean we can't judge them on what we have seen so far.
Right now only Mazraoui looks half decent. Don't think there's anything wrong with saying that.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 23 seconds ago
Think u guys are being way too harsh on him and your new signings.
Currently the club looks a mess and some players take time to settle into a club. IF hes still like this towards the end of the season then fair enough but 6 games into the season.
Some of your signings have been mind boggling though. Spending almost 160Mil on Antony and Mount was laughable.
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I'm not sure it is. Dier couldn't get into our team yet went over to Bayern and usurped De Ligt in the starting 11.
Carragher had a lot to say about De Ligt last night on MNF too. He's made mistakes before because he scoffed at the idea Martinez could be a success at centre back in the Prem given his height (even though they're pretty much the same size) but he's not wrong about positional stuff and limitations in terms of pace regarding De Ligt. Those are fundamentals and hard to rectify, particularly his lack of pace. He'll be good at set pieces but you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Fack me; here’s another one
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Better looking TBF
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 seconds ago
Ugarte's flaws on the ball were widely known.
De Ligt's serious lack of pace obviously wasn't a secret. Not great on the ball either
Zirkzee just never looked a United player. His goal record for a mid table Italian club didn't exactly scream PL success at all. He also looks slow, overweight a bit even and he's got absolutely no composure.
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It's brainless to draw any conclusions about players just getting their first few minutes in the side - a side that has a host of problems before it comes to integrating new players. So pretty much anything anyone is saying at the moment will be reiterating what they thought about the players before they kicked a ball.
Ugarte - he's not been signed as a creative player or sublime passer but he had the best stats of any midfielder against Spurs in terms of ball retention. So where are these 'flaws on the ball' showing themselves?
De Ligt - pace is no worse than Maguire's, who is the other available option; has had a couple of strong games as well as a couple of dodgy ones; a better passer than Maguire, and much more comfortable receiving and passing the ball than Varane (who seemed to get a free pass on his limitations with the ball at his feet).
Everyone knew that Zirkzee isn't a high-volume goalscorer, but more of a false nine. He has looked pretty impressive to me when it comes to knitting play together, and we have created plenty of chances so far from his hold up and distribution. For me the question is how the club envisages using him when Hojlund is ready to start. I could maybe see him as a long-term replacement for Bruno. Or if he's playing as a false 9, as a facilitator who gets more goals out of the wide forwards - but that implies having two very different game plans depending on whether Zirkzee or Hojlund is on the field.
"What's worrying is fans seem to know more about some of these players than the scouts do."
If you really believe this, I'm worried about you.
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No offence mate but your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You have argued with me for months on this manager and look who was right.
I said multiple times 'so far' and it's 'early days' too if you noticed. Doesn't mean we can't judge them on what we have seen so far.
Right now only Mazraoui looks half decent. Don't think there's anything wrong with saying that.
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Mazzouri got absolutely destroyed by Werner on Sunday which was quite worrying, the jury is out for me on him, won’t be our worst signing but no real huge upgrade
We were linked a few times, i never wanted him, never rated him personally. I don't think he did particularly well att Juve or Bayern. Not quite sure how hes ended up at either tbh hes one lucky mf. I guess Bayern and Juve havent been thatt well run in recent years tbf and Utd certainly havent.
205m euros between 3 massive clubs, i don't see how? must have the best agent ever, who are they?
Didnt ETH work with Bayern and De Ligt? was he doing favours again? Who knows when he leave utd maybe he will join psg and buy 600m worth of craap from Utd
De Ligt is now the sixth most expensive player in the history of football when we add up all the cumulative transfer fees paid for every player over the course of their career.
facking madness that is.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 23 seconds ago
Think u guys are being way too harsh on him and your new signings.
Currently the club looks a mess and some players take time to settle into a club. IF hes still like this towards the end of the season then fair enough but 6 games into the season.
Some of your signings have been mind boggling though. Spending almost 160Mil on Antony and Mount was laughable.
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I'm not sure it is. Dier couldn't get into our team yet went over to Bayern and usurped De Ligt in the starting 11.
Carragher had a lot to say about De Ligt last night on MNF too. He's made mistakes before because he scoffed at the idea Martinez could be a success at centre back in the Prem given his height (even though they're pretty much the same size) but he's not wrong about positional stuff and limitations in terms of pace regarding De Ligt. Those are fundamentals and hard to rectify, particularly his lack of pace. He'll be good at set pieces but you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Wasn't it Souness about Martinez' height? Also Carragher is 10cm taller than Martinez. I wouldn't say that's pretty much the same height.
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 23 seconds ago
Think u guys are being way too harsh on him and your new signings.
Currently the club looks a mess and some players take time to settle into a club. IF hes still like this towards the end of the season then fair enough but 6 games into the season.
Some of your signings have been mind boggling though. Spending almost 160Mil on Antony and Mount was laughable.
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I'm not sure it is. Dier couldn't get into our team yet went over to Bayern and usurped De Ligt in the starting 11.
Carragher had a lot to say about De Ligt last night on MNF too. He's made mistakes before because he scoffed at the idea Martinez could be a success at centre back in the Prem given his height (even though they're pretty much the same size) but he's not wrong about positional stuff and limitations in terms of pace regarding De Ligt. Those are fundamentals and hard to rectify, particularly his lack of pace. He'll be good at set pieces but you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Wasn't it Souness about Martinez' height? Also Carragher is 10cm taller than Martinez. I wouldn't say that's pretty much the same height.
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Carra definitely said it
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour ago
...10cm...I wouldn't say that's pretty much the same...
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You sound like my wife
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
De Ligt is now the sixth most expensive player in the history of football when we add up all the cumulative transfer fees paid for every player over the course of their career.
facking madness that is.
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He's just looking for his forever home
Way too early for this and almost every player looked poor against Spurs as a result of whatever ten Hag is doing. With some time to settle and a functional setup, I'm sure he'll be solid enough for yous.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
205m euros between 3 massive clubs, i don't see how? must have the best agent ever, who are they?
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Looking from a different angle:
- At Ajax he was excellent as a player and a young captain. No one questioned the big fee he attracted.
- At both Juventus and Bayern he joined clubs that were on the verge of transitional periods with leadership changes, things getting rockier on the pitch, and sudden shifts in footballing ideas. I don't think the consensus was that he had failed at either club. Certainly Bayern looked at his Juventus stint and concluded he could improve their team. At Bayern a large number of fans regarded him as their best defender and signed a petition against selling him.
Maybe in fact his agent hasn't been as good for his career as you suggest.
I always said if he's as good as United needs him to be, then Bayern wouldn't have sold him.
Not to say he's a bad player, he's obviously good. But he doesn't take Utd to the next level.
Was he an INEOS signing or a ten hag one?
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 40 seconds ago
I always said if he's as good as United needs him to be, then Bayern wouldn't have sold him.
Not to say he's a bad player, he's obviously good. But he doesn't take Utd to the next level.
Was he an INEOS signing or a ten hag one?
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Context man, context.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
205m euros between 3 massive clubs, i don't see how? must have the best agent ever, who are they?
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Looking from a different angle:
- At Ajax he was excellent as a player and a young captain. No one questioned the big fee he attracted.
- At both Juventus and Bayern he joined clubs that were on the verge of transitional periods with leadership changes, things getting rockier on the pitch, and sudden shifts in footballing ideas. I don't think the consensus was that he had failed at either club. Certainly Bayern looked at his Juventus stint and concluded he could improve their team. At Bayern a large number of fans regarded him as their best defender and signed a petition against selling him.
Maybe in fact his agent hasn't been as good for his career as you suggest.
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You think he's justified those fees RR? is he top 6 Cbs in the world? let alone top 6 player?
Wouldnt even make my top 25 cbs in this league. Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him, quite comforttably i reckon. Theres even a few at Utd id take over him.
Not tryna wum here im just being honest. Clearly hes rated by those who seem to matter. Then again Upamecanos picked by France all the time and i dont rate him much at all either.
Not to say he's a bad player, he's obviously good. But he doesn't take Utd to the next level.
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I'd argue that any "good" player takes us to the next level as good > average
Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him
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I think we'd all enjoy seeing that list
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1841072656897933656?t=Sgh6xIcTBQqP1ikhXRSX9Q&s=19
Only a few games in, but still
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him
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I think we'd all enjoy seeing that list
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wouldnt be that hard just take pretty much all Liverpools Cities Arsenals and you're half way there...
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him
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I think we'd all enjoy seeing that list
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wouldnt be that hard just take pretty much all Liverpools Cities Arsenals and you're half way there...
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I mean, even if you take four from each you're barely there.. right now you'd have to say Romero and VdV as well. He's probably better or at least as good as what Newcastle have.. when you get into mid table he's a nailed on starter IMO
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posted on 1/10/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
That Yoro lad is gonna have a lot of pressure on him when he's fit to play. Always felt that the thing United needed this summer was pace at the back, energy in midfield and a goal scorer. Don't think you ticked any of those boxes, although i know little about Yoro.
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fortunately yoro is a pacy defender, who likes to step into midfield, where he adds energy to the team, and will also be a frequent source of goals.
but there's no pressure on him, really.
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Meh, he's 18, full of confidence.
That's that fvcked then
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 24 minutes ago
Mazraoui already looks very good and a huge upgrade on Wan Bissaka.
As for Zirkzee, De Ligt and Ugarte.....it's very early days of course but my god they have been poor. I didn't think Zirkzee was Utd quality even before he kicked a ball and nothing I have seen so far had changed my mind. 1 goal in 8 games and countless big chances missed. He's just not good enough for us.
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He is very good at linking our attacks. I don't see him being a no.9, but more of a no.10 playing in behind Hojlund. Lets see how he gets on once Hojlund is back starting.
I also think it is difficult to properly assess most of our players at the moment, as we are just a mess all over the park. Maybe under a new manager we would see a few of our players improve?
posted on 1/10/24
Ugarte's flaws on the ball were widely known.
De Ligt's serious lack of pace obviously wasn't a secret. Not great on the ball either
Zirkzee just never looked a United player. His goal record for a mid table Italian club didn't exactly scream PL success at all. He also looks slow, overweight a bit even and he's got absolutely no composure.
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It's brainless to draw any conclusions about players just getting their first few minutes in the side - a side that has a host of problems before it comes to integrating new players. So pretty much anything anyone is saying at the moment will be reiterating what they thought about the players before they kicked a ball.
Ugarte - he's not been signed as a creative player or sublime passer but he had the best stats of any midfielder against Spurs in terms of ball retention. So where are these 'flaws on the ball' showing themselves?
De Ligt - pace is no worse than Maguire's, who is the other available option; has had a couple of strong games as well as a couple of dodgy ones; a better passer than Maguire, and much more comfortable receiving and passing the ball than Varane (who seemed to get a free pass on his limitations with the ball at his feet).
Everyone knew that Zirkzee isn't a high-volume goalscorer, but more of a false nine. He has looked pretty impressive to me when it comes to knitting play together, and we have created plenty of chances so far from his hold up and distribution. For me the question is how the club envisages using him when Hojlund is ready to start. I could maybe see him as a long-term replacement for Bruno. Or if he's playing as a false 9, as a facilitator who gets more goals out of the wide forwards - but that implies having two very different game plans depending on whether Zirkzee or Hojlund is on the field.
"What's worrying is fans seem to know more about some of these players than the scouts do."
If you really believe this, I'm worried about you.
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 seconds ago
Ugarte's flaws on the ball were widely known.
De Ligt's serious lack of pace obviously wasn't a secret. Not great on the ball either
Zirkzee just never looked a United player. His goal record for a mid table Italian club didn't exactly scream PL success at all. He also looks slow, overweight a bit even and he's got absolutely no composure.
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It's brainless to draw any conclusions about players just getting their first few minutes in the side - a side that has a host of problems before it comes to integrating new players. So pretty much anything anyone is saying at the moment will be reiterating what they thought about the players before they kicked a ball.
Ugarte - he's not been signed as a creative player or sublime passer but he had the best stats of any midfielder against Spurs in terms of ball retention. So where are these 'flaws on the ball' showing themselves?
De Ligt - pace is no worse than Maguire's, who is the other available option; has had a couple of strong games as well as a couple of dodgy ones; a better passer than Maguire, and much more comfortable receiving and passing the ball than Varane (who seemed to get a free pass on his limitations with the ball at his feet).
Everyone knew that Zirkzee isn't a high-volume goalscorer, but more of a false nine. He has looked pretty impressive to me when it comes to knitting play together, and we have created plenty of chances so far from his hold up and distribution. For me the question is how the club envisages using him when Hojlund is ready to start. I could maybe see him as a long-term replacement for Bruno. Or if he's playing as a false 9, as a facilitator who gets more goals out of the wide forwards - but that implies having two very different game plans depending on whether Zirkzee or Hojlund is on the field.
"What's worrying is fans seem to know more about some of these players than the scouts do."
If you really believe this, I'm worried about you.
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No offence mate but your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You have argued with me for months on this manager and look who was right.
I said multiple times 'so far' and it's 'early days' too if you noticed. Doesn't mean we can't judge them on what we have seen so far.
Right now only Mazraoui looks half decent. Don't think there's anything wrong with saying that.
posted on 1/10/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 23 seconds ago
Think u guys are being way too harsh on him and your new signings.
Currently the club looks a mess and some players take time to settle into a club. IF hes still like this towards the end of the season then fair enough but 6 games into the season.
Some of your signings have been mind boggling though. Spending almost 160Mil on Antony and Mount was laughable.
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I'm not sure it is. Dier couldn't get into our team yet went over to Bayern and usurped De Ligt in the starting 11.
Carragher had a lot to say about De Ligt last night on MNF too. He's made mistakes before because he scoffed at the idea Martinez could be a success at centre back in the Prem given his height (even though they're pretty much the same size) but he's not wrong about positional stuff and limitations in terms of pace regarding De Ligt. Those are fundamentals and hard to rectify, particularly his lack of pace. He'll be good at set pieces but you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Fack me; here’s another one
posted on 1/10/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Better looking TBF
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 seconds ago
Ugarte's flaws on the ball were widely known.
De Ligt's serious lack of pace obviously wasn't a secret. Not great on the ball either
Zirkzee just never looked a United player. His goal record for a mid table Italian club didn't exactly scream PL success at all. He also looks slow, overweight a bit even and he's got absolutely no composure.
-----------------------------------------------------------
It's brainless to draw any conclusions about players just getting their first few minutes in the side - a side that has a host of problems before it comes to integrating new players. So pretty much anything anyone is saying at the moment will be reiterating what they thought about the players before they kicked a ball.
Ugarte - he's not been signed as a creative player or sublime passer but he had the best stats of any midfielder against Spurs in terms of ball retention. So where are these 'flaws on the ball' showing themselves?
De Ligt - pace is no worse than Maguire's, who is the other available option; has had a couple of strong games as well as a couple of dodgy ones; a better passer than Maguire, and much more comfortable receiving and passing the ball than Varane (who seemed to get a free pass on his limitations with the ball at his feet).
Everyone knew that Zirkzee isn't a high-volume goalscorer, but more of a false nine. He has looked pretty impressive to me when it comes to knitting play together, and we have created plenty of chances so far from his hold up and distribution. For me the question is how the club envisages using him when Hojlund is ready to start. I could maybe see him as a long-term replacement for Bruno. Or if he's playing as a false 9, as a facilitator who gets more goals out of the wide forwards - but that implies having two very different game plans depending on whether Zirkzee or Hojlund is on the field.
"What's worrying is fans seem to know more about some of these players than the scouts do."
If you really believe this, I'm worried about you.
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No offence mate but your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You have argued with me for months on this manager and look who was right.
I said multiple times 'so far' and it's 'early days' too if you noticed. Doesn't mean we can't judge them on what we have seen so far.
Right now only Mazraoui looks half decent. Don't think there's anything wrong with saying that.
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Mazzouri got absolutely destroyed by Werner on Sunday which was quite worrying, the jury is out for me on him, won’t be our worst signing but no real huge upgrade
posted on 1/10/24
We were linked a few times, i never wanted him, never rated him personally. I don't think he did particularly well att Juve or Bayern. Not quite sure how hes ended up at either tbh hes one lucky mf. I guess Bayern and Juve havent been thatt well run in recent years tbf and Utd certainly havent.
posted on 1/10/24
205m euros between 3 massive clubs, i don't see how? must have the best agent ever, who are they?
posted on 1/10/24
Didnt ETH work with Bayern and De Ligt? was he doing favours again? Who knows when he leave utd maybe he will join psg and buy 600m worth of craap from Utd
posted on 1/10/24
De Ligt is now the sixth most expensive player in the history of football when we add up all the cumulative transfer fees paid for every player over the course of their career.
facking madness that is.
posted on 1/10/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 23 seconds ago
Think u guys are being way too harsh on him and your new signings.
Currently the club looks a mess and some players take time to settle into a club. IF hes still like this towards the end of the season then fair enough but 6 games into the season.
Some of your signings have been mind boggling though. Spending almost 160Mil on Antony and Mount was laughable.
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I'm not sure it is. Dier couldn't get into our team yet went over to Bayern and usurped De Ligt in the starting 11.
Carragher had a lot to say about De Ligt last night on MNF too. He's made mistakes before because he scoffed at the idea Martinez could be a success at centre back in the Prem given his height (even though they're pretty much the same size) but he's not wrong about positional stuff and limitations in terms of pace regarding De Ligt. Those are fundamentals and hard to rectify, particularly his lack of pace. He'll be good at set pieces but you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Wasn't it Souness about Martinez' height? Also Carragher is 10cm taller than Martinez. I wouldn't say that's pretty much the same height.
posted on 1/10/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 23 seconds ago
Think u guys are being way too harsh on him and your new signings.
Currently the club looks a mess and some players take time to settle into a club. IF hes still like this towards the end of the season then fair enough but 6 games into the season.
Some of your signings have been mind boggling though. Spending almost 160Mil on Antony and Mount was laughable.
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I'm not sure it is. Dier couldn't get into our team yet went over to Bayern and usurped De Ligt in the starting 11.
Carragher had a lot to say about De Ligt last night on MNF too. He's made mistakes before because he scoffed at the idea Martinez could be a success at centre back in the Prem given his height (even though they're pretty much the same size) but he's not wrong about positional stuff and limitations in terms of pace regarding De Ligt. Those are fundamentals and hard to rectify, particularly his lack of pace. He'll be good at set pieces but you've basically replaced Maguire with Maguire.
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Wasn't it Souness about Martinez' height? Also Carragher is 10cm taller than Martinez. I wouldn't say that's pretty much the same height.
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Carra definitely said it
posted on 1/10/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 hour ago
...10cm...I wouldn't say that's pretty much the same...
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You sound like my wife
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
De Ligt is now the sixth most expensive player in the history of football when we add up all the cumulative transfer fees paid for every player over the course of their career.
facking madness that is.
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He's just looking for his forever home
posted on 1/10/24
Way too early for this and almost every player looked poor against Spurs as a result of whatever ten Hag is doing. With some time to settle and a functional setup, I'm sure he'll be solid enough for yous.
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
205m euros between 3 massive clubs, i don't see how? must have the best agent ever, who are they?
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Looking from a different angle:
- At Ajax he was excellent as a player and a young captain. No one questioned the big fee he attracted.
- At both Juventus and Bayern he joined clubs that were on the verge of transitional periods with leadership changes, things getting rockier on the pitch, and sudden shifts in footballing ideas. I don't think the consensus was that he had failed at either club. Certainly Bayern looked at his Juventus stint and concluded he could improve their team. At Bayern a large number of fans regarded him as their best defender and signed a petition against selling him.
Maybe in fact his agent hasn't been as good for his career as you suggest.
posted on 1/10/24
I always said if he's as good as United needs him to be, then Bayern wouldn't have sold him.
Not to say he's a bad player, he's obviously good. But he doesn't take Utd to the next level.
Was he an INEOS signing or a ten hag one?
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 40 seconds ago
I always said if he's as good as United needs him to be, then Bayern wouldn't have sold him.
Not to say he's a bad player, he's obviously good. But he doesn't take Utd to the next level.
Was he an INEOS signing or a ten hag one?
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Context man, context.
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
205m euros between 3 massive clubs, i don't see how? must have the best agent ever, who are they?
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Looking from a different angle:
- At Ajax he was excellent as a player and a young captain. No one questioned the big fee he attracted.
- At both Juventus and Bayern he joined clubs that were on the verge of transitional periods with leadership changes, things getting rockier on the pitch, and sudden shifts in footballing ideas. I don't think the consensus was that he had failed at either club. Certainly Bayern looked at his Juventus stint and concluded he could improve their team. At Bayern a large number of fans regarded him as their best defender and signed a petition against selling him.
Maybe in fact his agent hasn't been as good for his career as you suggest.
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You think he's justified those fees RR? is he top 6 Cbs in the world? let alone top 6 player?
Wouldnt even make my top 25 cbs in this league. Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him, quite comforttably i reckon. Theres even a few at Utd id take over him.
Not tryna wum here im just being honest. Clearly hes rated by those who seem to matter. Then again Upamecanos picked by France all the time and i dont rate him much at all either.
posted on 1/10/24
Not to say he's a bad player, he's obviously good. But he doesn't take Utd to the next level.
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I'd argue that any "good" player takes us to the next level as good > average
posted on 1/10/24
Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him
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I think we'd all enjoy seeing that list
posted on 1/10/24
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1841072656897933656?t=Sgh6xIcTBQqP1ikhXRSX9Q&s=19
Only a few games in, but still
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him
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I think we'd all enjoy seeing that list
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wouldnt be that hard just take pretty much all Liverpools Cities Arsenals and you're half way there...
posted on 1/10/24
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Id choose atleast 25 current PL cbs before i got to him
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I think we'd all enjoy seeing that list
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wouldnt be that hard just take pretty much all Liverpools Cities Arsenals and you're half way there...
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I mean, even if you take four from each you're barely there.. right now you'd have to say Romero and VdV as well. He's probably better or at least as good as what Newcastle have.. when you get into mid table he's a nailed on starter IMO
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