comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
We Never Stop
Except they did
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and there in lies the problem.
I like the fact that Maddison used the word grind in his interview. That at least acknowledges that we know sometimes it will not work sometimes the opposition will gain dominance and we have to get through that, and grind it out. So its not just a case of being all out attack and wonderful football, sometimes there is a need to really roll the sleeves up to get through moments, be then be able to assert our attacking game on the opposition. We have to earn that right first, which means we have to compete.
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agreed but there's an argument there that suggests you can make substitutions to be able to compete better especially when you can see you are struggling and certain players are not performing.
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Oh i agree but i think we were a bit handicapped yesterday as we had all our attackers on the pitch already. Remove one to stiffen up the midfield and then there were few options to add more threat once the play was more even.
So at 2-2 we could have removed BJ, put Deki wide left and brought on Sarr or Biss . Or Madders off, Deki @ 10 and add Sarr or Biss. But then we lacked any real option to get some more attackers on. If Odobert or Son were available then at least we go more solid CM for 15 mins and then in the last 15 get Madders off, Deki at 10 and add an wide attacker. Moore was the only option and that would be a tough ask for him at this stage.
We have seen this sort of approach before. Ange is attack minded so does not just want to throw on a load of defensive players on to see out 25 minutes of a game. And it goes to his point in the OP. If we aint competing, then that's a thing across the pitch, not just one or 2 players so subs may not even make much difference (which they didnt).
I may be being kind to Ange but i just remember thinking when watching, how do we change this and reached the conclusion that the bench options gave us very little flexibility.
comment by Dumple (U23182)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ange is a poor man's Brendan Rodgers
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Rodgers will be the richer man after all the pays offs he's had after getting sacked.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
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He certainly likes playing with fire, Maybe he could dial it back a touch.
Whatever is going on at Spurs, it's not quite working.... Its not a million miles from being decent, We've all seen the good signs BUT so has every other team and the results against decent sides proves it.
More of the same is not gonna fix the issues... we don't need 11 players as delusional as Ange out there.... We need some coaching in defensive shapes, teaching Porro & Destiny how to defend, some set piece discipline and someone to show these guys how to slow the game down when in a good position.
Rarely in the history of football that a team that sets out to win every game 5-0 ever been sucessfull..... ask Ossie Ardiles
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
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He certainly likes playing with fire, Maybe he could dial it back a touch.
Whatever is going on at Spurs, it's not quite working.... Its not a million miles from being decent, We've all seen the good signs BUT so has every other team and the results against decent sides proves it.
More of the same is not gonna fix the issues... we don't need 11 players as delusional as Ange out there.... We need some coaching in defensive shapes, teaching Porro & Destiny how to defend, some set piece discipline and someone to show these guys how to slow the game down when in a good position.
Rarely in the history of football that a team that sets out to win every game 5-0 ever been sucessfull..... ask Ossie Ardiles
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Yes you can see that we aren't that far off. I mean realistically we could have won every game barring the Arsenal one, based on the flow of the games and our performances.
Maybe this is still all part of the rebuilding process and players needing to adapt to Ange, cause he isn't going to adapt to them by the looks of it. Maybe further down the line this will get ironed out but is Ange going to get the time to do it? We are on our lowest points total for the first 7 games since Ramos and have 3 losses. I'm therefore not optimistic about top 4 and if we don't manage that and finish anywhere from 5th-8th how will Levy view it? Is a trophy the only get out of jail card? Will he even make it to the end of the season with the rate at which we keep losing league matches? He needs another bunch of wins to redeem himself.
Really good convo chaps and some interesting points of view.
I keep flipping back and fourth between Ange and this team, thinking I'm actually enjoying the games I'm watching. They are constantly engaging good/bad, we always look like scoring and conceding in equal measure.
I think that flipped me into thinking this guy is about is own image than the team is the 9 man Chelsea game with defence on halfway line. That is not instilling the message at all, as we had no means of applying the press and made no sense in the context of the game.
It must be so hard being in the team to go against our instincts to sit back in a game such as the above.
Can't help but feel eventually the entertainment factor will fade with fans and players and eventually they'll lose faith in the system.
I want Ange to succeed, I like him but he won't, not without adapting.
Where we would go next I honestly don't know...
We've gone from all out defend to all out attack. We need an attack minded manager who can also adapt
You just read the bit where he said subs are irrelevant and flapped it.
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
You just read the bit where he said subs are irrelevant and flapped it.
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Can't let a good story get in the way of the truth
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
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He certainly likes playing with fire, Maybe he could dial it back a touch.
Whatever is going on at Spurs, it's not quite working.... Its not a million miles from being decent, We've all seen the good signs BUT so has every other team and the results against decent sides proves it.
More of the same is not gonna fix the issues... we don't need 11 players as delusional as Ange out there.... We need some coaching in defensive shapes, teaching Porro & Destiny how to defend, some set piece discipline and someone to show these guys how to slow the game down when in a good position.
Rarely in the history of football that a team that sets out to win every game 5-0 ever been sucessfull..... ask Ossie Ardiles
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Spurs in 1960-61 were. 😀
comment by GinolaSpurs82 (U10359)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Really good convo chaps and some interesting points of view.
I keep flipping back and fourth between Ange and this team, thinking I'm actually enjoying the games I'm watching. They are constantly engaging good/bad, we always look like scoring and conceding in equal measure.
I think that flipped me into thinking this guy is about is own image than the team is the 9 man Chelsea game with defence on halfway line. That is not instilling the message at all, as we had no means of applying the press and made no sense in the context of the game.
It must be so hard being in the team to go against our instincts to sit back in a game such as the above.
Can't help but feel eventually the entertainment factor will fade with fans and players and eventually they'll lose faith in the system.
I want Ange to succeed, I like him but he won't, not without adapting.
Where we would go next I honestly don't know...
We've gone from all out defend to all out attack. We need an attack minded manager who can also adapt
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He would be perfect for city after pep
His footy there would work 99.9% of the time as they dominate most games anyway
We just aren’t good enough to dominate for 90 minutes ….which is where the losses / turnarounds spring from
When we are good we look fantastic ….when the domination slips we look like Kidderminster could beat us
I cannot believe a premiership manager would say such silly nonsense. Did he actually say this?
“Yeah I could have. But… all these things… are totally irrelevant to me. Substitutions and all those kind of things. If you’re not competitive, it doesn’t matter what you do, you’re not going to get rewards, you don’t deserve to win.
****Is he saying that any substitute would run out onto the pitch and give up immediately....therefore substitutions won't help?
*** If so, then he's saying managers are irrelevant.
“We didn’t deserve on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. But I think if you do get something out of the game, you’re falsely rewarded and I don’t want to get falsely rewarded."
***Some large percentage of points won in any season are undeserved luck. Its part of the game.
Even ManCity get lucky (e.g., Fulham game).
Give those points up and you're toast.
Doesn't he understand that?
I don't think Aussieglue said this rubbish.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
He saying unless the players man up and compete, then it doesn’t matter what players he puts on the pitch, they’ll get turned over.
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That's the least that's expected of the 11 on the pitch and professional players should never have to be reminded of that ever.
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They aint robots.
Lets hope they learned a valuable lesson and move on better equipped for next time
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They haven’t and they won’t be.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
He saying unless the players man up and compete, then it doesn’t matter what players he puts on the pitch, they’ll get turned over.
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That's the least that's expected of the 11 on the pitch and professional players should never have to be reminded of that ever.
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They aint robots.
Lets hope they learned a valuable lesson and move on better equipped for next time
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They haven’t and they won’t be.
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If the manager doesn't give the players clear directives and a strategy they believe in, then.....they will run about like headless chickens.
The most worrying thing about that loss is that it comes in anges second season. The defenders who were most at fault have played under Ange for nearly 18 months. If they don’t know how to make this system work by now, they ain’t gonna.
Absolutely shocking loss. The worst under Ange. Worrying indeed.
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
He saying unless the players man up and compete, then it doesn’t matter what players he puts on the pitch, they’ll get turned over.
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That's the least that's expected of the 11 on the pitch and professional players should never have to be reminded of that ever.
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They aint robots.
Lets hope they learned a valuable lesson and move on better equipped for next time
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They haven’t and they won’t be.
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If the manager doesn't give the players clear directives and a strategy they believe in, then.....they will run about like headless chickens.
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We don't run about like headless chickens, so what's your point.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
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So Udoopgie swinging and missing at a cross = goal = Ange's fault
Bentancur not bothering to tackle/block the cross = goal = Ange's fault.
What are the players paid for?
Don't deal in simple binary judgements, it makes you sound, well, simple !
Ange is a likeable character but just simply tactically not good enough for the PL .
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
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So Udoopgie swinging and missing at a cross = goal = Ange's fault
Bentancur not bothering to tackle/block the cross = goal = Ange's fault.
What are the players paid for?
Don't deal in simple binary judgements, it makes you sound, well, simple !
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What is the manager paid for?
Weird quote.
I agree with him that sometimes it's just a case of the players not trying/competing but then that's also surely why you have subs, to bring on a couple of players who hopefully do compete and that then feeds into the others.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
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So Udoopgie swinging and missing at a cross = goal = Ange's fault
Bentancur not bothering to tackle/block the cross = goal = Ange's fault.
What are the players paid for?
Don't deal in simple binary judgements, it makes you sound, well, simple !
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Ted, does come across as very simple if he cannot see that the players were at fault for the goals at Brighton.
Ange could have made the subs a bit quicker. But in no way could he be blamed for pure player incompetence. Romero standing like a statue allowing Welbeck a free header one such piece of incompetence.
I agree with him that sometimes it's just a case of the players not trying/competing
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It's the managers job to have his players trying/competing as a minimum! by motivating them with whatever techniques they have...and that should be through to the whole squad, down to the youth level.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 30 minutes ago
I agree with him that sometimes it's just a case of the players not trying/competing
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It's the managers job to have his players trying/competing as a minimum! by motivating them with whatever techniques they have...and that should be through to the whole squad, down to the youth level.
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Even Sir Alex Ferguson couldn’t manage this.
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If the players mess up or do not try sadly its the manager that carries the can. Players will never be held responsible and are given a free pass pretty much.
If clubs started to do something about players then there would be a lot transfer listed players or downing of tools.
They are classed a financial assets until they get to a certain age. Managers are always expendable.
Some observations:
Either Ange is too stubborn or stupid to think he can continue to play without any tactical compromise or adjustments in games.
He has been backed to an extent but probably not got the players he actually wants or wanted and has made his mind up that it ain't going to work and is just biding his time for a pay off.
The players are simply knackered in games trying to play the system Ange wants and just run out of steam.
Some players are just hearing noise now and are not listening to Ange.
Players are simply just not good enough or not a good enough blend as a collective to be consistent.
I would just like to see some on field intelligence from players or the captain. When they see they are under the kosh start to tighten up defensively as a unit, work a bit harder for 5-10 mins etc. Not just throw in the towel. Just needs one or two of the to show a bit of Gusto and bravery at times and the rest will follow.
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Worrying indeed...
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posted on 8/10/24
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
posted on 8/10/24
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
We Never Stop
Except they did
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and there in lies the problem.
I like the fact that Maddison used the word grind in his interview. That at least acknowledges that we know sometimes it will not work sometimes the opposition will gain dominance and we have to get through that, and grind it out. So its not just a case of being all out attack and wonderful football, sometimes there is a need to really roll the sleeves up to get through moments, be then be able to assert our attacking game on the opposition. We have to earn that right first, which means we have to compete.
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agreed but there's an argument there that suggests you can make substitutions to be able to compete better especially when you can see you are struggling and certain players are not performing.
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Oh i agree but i think we were a bit handicapped yesterday as we had all our attackers on the pitch already. Remove one to stiffen up the midfield and then there were few options to add more threat once the play was more even.
So at 2-2 we could have removed BJ, put Deki wide left and brought on Sarr or Biss . Or Madders off, Deki @ 10 and add Sarr or Biss. But then we lacked any real option to get some more attackers on. If Odobert or Son were available then at least we go more solid CM for 15 mins and then in the last 15 get Madders off, Deki at 10 and add an wide attacker. Moore was the only option and that would be a tough ask for him at this stage.
We have seen this sort of approach before. Ange is attack minded so does not just want to throw on a load of defensive players on to see out 25 minutes of a game. And it goes to his point in the OP. If we aint competing, then that's a thing across the pitch, not just one or 2 players so subs may not even make much difference (which they didnt).
I may be being kind to Ange but i just remember thinking when watching, how do we change this and reached the conclusion that the bench options gave us very little flexibility.
posted on 8/10/24
comment by Dumple (U23182)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ange is a poor man's Brendan Rodgers
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Rodgers will be the richer man after all the pays offs he's had after getting sacked.
posted on 8/10/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
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He certainly likes playing with fire, Maybe he could dial it back a touch.
Whatever is going on at Spurs, it's not quite working.... Its not a million miles from being decent, We've all seen the good signs BUT so has every other team and the results against decent sides proves it.
More of the same is not gonna fix the issues... we don't need 11 players as delusional as Ange out there.... We need some coaching in defensive shapes, teaching Porro & Destiny how to defend, some set piece discipline and someone to show these guys how to slow the game down when in a good position.
Rarely in the history of football that a team that sets out to win every game 5-0 ever been sucessfull..... ask Ossie Ardiles
posted on 8/10/24
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
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He certainly likes playing with fire, Maybe he could dial it back a touch.
Whatever is going on at Spurs, it's not quite working.... Its not a million miles from being decent, We've all seen the good signs BUT so has every other team and the results against decent sides proves it.
More of the same is not gonna fix the issues... we don't need 11 players as delusional as Ange out there.... We need some coaching in defensive shapes, teaching Porro & Destiny how to defend, some set piece discipline and someone to show these guys how to slow the game down when in a good position.
Rarely in the history of football that a team that sets out to win every game 5-0 ever been sucessfull..... ask Ossie Ardiles
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Yes you can see that we aren't that far off. I mean realistically we could have won every game barring the Arsenal one, based on the flow of the games and our performances.
Maybe this is still all part of the rebuilding process and players needing to adapt to Ange, cause he isn't going to adapt to them by the looks of it. Maybe further down the line this will get ironed out but is Ange going to get the time to do it? We are on our lowest points total for the first 7 games since Ramos and have 3 losses. I'm therefore not optimistic about top 4 and if we don't manage that and finish anywhere from 5th-8th how will Levy view it? Is a trophy the only get out of jail card? Will he even make it to the end of the season with the rate at which we keep losing league matches? He needs another bunch of wins to redeem himself.
posted on 8/10/24
Really good convo chaps and some interesting points of view.
I keep flipping back and fourth between Ange and this team, thinking I'm actually enjoying the games I'm watching. They are constantly engaging good/bad, we always look like scoring and conceding in equal measure.
I think that flipped me into thinking this guy is about is own image than the team is the 9 man Chelsea game with defence on halfway line. That is not instilling the message at all, as we had no means of applying the press and made no sense in the context of the game.
It must be so hard being in the team to go against our instincts to sit back in a game such as the above.
Can't help but feel eventually the entertainment factor will fade with fans and players and eventually they'll lose faith in the system.
I want Ange to succeed, I like him but he won't, not without adapting.
Where we would go next I honestly don't know...
We've gone from all out defend to all out attack. We need an attack minded manager who can also adapt
posted on 8/10/24
You just read the bit where he said subs are irrelevant and flapped it.
posted on 8/10/24
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
You just read the bit where he said subs are irrelevant and flapped it.
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Can't let a good story get in the way of the truth
posted on 8/10/24
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It’s like Ange and Arteta are the antithesis of each other. Arteta said he loves winning ugly - Ange says he’d rather not get any points as we’d be falsely rewarded!
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Or like the antithesis of Southgate. Southgate wants to wear a seatbelt while on the toilet. Ange wants to go skydiving without a parachute.
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He certainly likes playing with fire, Maybe he could dial it back a touch.
Whatever is going on at Spurs, it's not quite working.... Its not a million miles from being decent, We've all seen the good signs BUT so has every other team and the results against decent sides proves it.
More of the same is not gonna fix the issues... we don't need 11 players as delusional as Ange out there.... We need some coaching in defensive shapes, teaching Porro & Destiny how to defend, some set piece discipline and someone to show these guys how to slow the game down when in a good position.
Rarely in the history of football that a team that sets out to win every game 5-0 ever been sucessfull..... ask Ossie Ardiles
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Spurs in 1960-61 were. 😀
posted on 8/10/24
comment by GinolaSpurs82 (U10359)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Really good convo chaps and some interesting points of view.
I keep flipping back and fourth between Ange and this team, thinking I'm actually enjoying the games I'm watching. They are constantly engaging good/bad, we always look like scoring and conceding in equal measure.
I think that flipped me into thinking this guy is about is own image than the team is the 9 man Chelsea game with defence on halfway line. That is not instilling the message at all, as we had no means of applying the press and made no sense in the context of the game.
It must be so hard being in the team to go against our instincts to sit back in a game such as the above.
Can't help but feel eventually the entertainment factor will fade with fans and players and eventually they'll lose faith in the system.
I want Ange to succeed, I like him but he won't, not without adapting.
Where we would go next I honestly don't know...
We've gone from all out defend to all out attack. We need an attack minded manager who can also adapt
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He would be perfect for city after pep
His footy there would work 99.9% of the time as they dominate most games anyway
We just aren’t good enough to dominate for 90 minutes ….which is where the losses / turnarounds spring from
When we are good we look fantastic ….when the domination slips we look like Kidderminster could beat us
posted on 8/10/24
I cannot believe a premiership manager would say such silly nonsense. Did he actually say this?
“Yeah I could have. But… all these things… are totally irrelevant to me. Substitutions and all those kind of things. If you’re not competitive, it doesn’t matter what you do, you’re not going to get rewards, you don’t deserve to win.
****Is he saying that any substitute would run out onto the pitch and give up immediately....therefore substitutions won't help?
*** If so, then he's saying managers are irrelevant.
“We didn’t deserve on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. But I think if you do get something out of the game, you’re falsely rewarded and I don’t want to get falsely rewarded."
***Some large percentage of points won in any season are undeserved luck. Its part of the game.
Even ManCity get lucky (e.g., Fulham game).
Give those points up and you're toast.
Doesn't he understand that?
I don't think Aussieglue said this rubbish.
posted on 9/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
He saying unless the players man up and compete, then it doesn’t matter what players he puts on the pitch, they’ll get turned over.
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That's the least that's expected of the 11 on the pitch and professional players should never have to be reminded of that ever.
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They aint robots.
Lets hope they learned a valuable lesson and move on better equipped for next time
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They haven’t and they won’t be.
posted on 9/10/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
He saying unless the players man up and compete, then it doesn’t matter what players he puts on the pitch, they’ll get turned over.
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That's the least that's expected of the 11 on the pitch and professional players should never have to be reminded of that ever.
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They aint robots.
Lets hope they learned a valuable lesson and move on better equipped for next time
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They haven’t and they won’t be.
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If the manager doesn't give the players clear directives and a strategy they believe in, then.....they will run about like headless chickens.
posted on 9/10/24
The most worrying thing about that loss is that it comes in anges second season. The defenders who were most at fault have played under Ange for nearly 18 months. If they don’t know how to make this system work by now, they ain’t gonna.
Absolutely shocking loss. The worst under Ange. Worrying indeed.
posted on 9/10/24
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
posted on 9/10/24
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
He saying unless the players man up and compete, then it doesn’t matter what players he puts on the pitch, they’ll get turned over.
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That's the least that's expected of the 11 on the pitch and professional players should never have to be reminded of that ever.
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They aint robots.
Lets hope they learned a valuable lesson and move on better equipped for next time
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They haven’t and they won’t be.
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If the manager doesn't give the players clear directives and a strategy they believe in, then.....they will run about like headless chickens.
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We don't run about like headless chickens, so what's your point.
posted on 9/10/24
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
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So Udoopgie swinging and missing at a cross = goal = Ange's fault
Bentancur not bothering to tackle/block the cross = goal = Ange's fault.
What are the players paid for?
Don't deal in simple binary judgements, it makes you sound, well, simple !
posted on 9/10/24
Ange is a likeable character but just simply tactically not good enough for the PL .
posted on 9/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
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So Udoopgie swinging and missing at a cross = goal = Ange's fault
Bentancur not bothering to tackle/block the cross = goal = Ange's fault.
What are the players paid for?
Don't deal in simple binary judgements, it makes you sound, well, simple !
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What is the manager paid for?
posted on 9/10/24
Weird quote.
I agree with him that sometimes it's just a case of the players not trying/competing but then that's also surely why you have subs, to bring on a couple of players who hopefully do compete and that then feeds into the others.
posted on 9/10/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
What I cannot understand about this reported outburst from Aussieglue is that he is saying..."not my fault, its the players' fault".
That's not correct.
Its always the manager's fault.
That's what he's paid for.
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So Udoopgie swinging and missing at a cross = goal = Ange's fault
Bentancur not bothering to tackle/block the cross = goal = Ange's fault.
What are the players paid for?
Don't deal in simple binary judgements, it makes you sound, well, simple !
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Ted, does come across as very simple if he cannot see that the players were at fault for the goals at Brighton.
Ange could have made the subs a bit quicker. But in no way could he be blamed for pure player incompetence. Romero standing like a statue allowing Welbeck a free header one such piece of incompetence.
posted on 9/10/24
I agree with him that sometimes it's just a case of the players not trying/competing
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It's the managers job to have his players trying/competing as a minimum! by motivating them with whatever techniques they have...and that should be through to the whole squad, down to the youth level.
posted on 9/10/24
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 30 minutes ago
I agree with him that sometimes it's just a case of the players not trying/competing
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It's the managers job to have his players trying/competing as a minimum! by motivating them with whatever techniques they have...and that should be through to the whole squad, down to the youth level.
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Even Sir Alex Ferguson couldn’t manage this.
posted on 9/10/24
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posted on 9/10/24
If the players mess up or do not try sadly its the manager that carries the can. Players will never be held responsible and are given a free pass pretty much.
If clubs started to do something about players then there would be a lot transfer listed players or downing of tools.
They are classed a financial assets until they get to a certain age. Managers are always expendable.
Some observations:
Either Ange is too stubborn or stupid to think he can continue to play without any tactical compromise or adjustments in games.
He has been backed to an extent but probably not got the players he actually wants or wanted and has made his mind up that it ain't going to work and is just biding his time for a pay off.
The players are simply knackered in games trying to play the system Ange wants and just run out of steam.
Some players are just hearing noise now and are not listening to Ange.
Players are simply just not good enough or not a good enough blend as a collective to be consistent.
I would just like to see some on field intelligence from players or the captain. When they see they are under the kosh start to tighten up defensively as a unit, work a bit harder for 5-10 mins etc. Not just throw in the towel. Just needs one or two of the to show a bit of Gusto and bravery at times and the rest will follow.
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