Not a great deal more can say here then pal.

We both agree 99% of the league finished are deserved.

We both agree that there are millions of variables in a season, for all teams, and we both agree that sometimes it will go for you and sometimes it can go against you?

What we disagree on is am saying you can’t point to variables because I think they are out’ where as you think they don’t.. therefore affecting a teams point total.. and this happens a lot more than I think?

For the sake of debate at this stage we could prob do with a firm example of a team that’s directly profited from a variable over a 9 month period, 46 games, etc.. and totally didn’t deserve to rep those rewards.. also hasn’t had any other ripple affect on any other team…

Wm Hill have us 8-11 to win the league i'd be more like 1-2, so Sunderland may finish 2nd like Ipswich.

personally I hope Ipswich manage to hold prem status for a while, at least a few seasons - can't see it though if I'm being honest

Spit!..

"I can't believe as adults we're suggesting tossing a coin 46 times to see where you end up? - whats the point?, I'm sure Einstein's (or who ever) theory on probability will confirm you roughly get 23 heads... dear lord !"

Then try it, and then tell us truthfully how many heads and tails you get, the chances are just as great you'll get 5 of one or the other!..

"Germany, I've no idea what your talking about mate, 'things happen in life"

I'm saying in life things are harder for some than others, if things even themselves out, why don't the bad luck people have as much luck as others?..

But I think you know what I mean!..

Things in life unless you are lucky don't even themselves out, and the same happens in sport!..

Then try it, and then tell us truthfully how many heads and tails you get, the chances are just as great you'll get 5 of one or the other!..

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Germany - again, like I said I get your arguments.. I just believe they even out in football - especially over a season, and team 99% of the time finish where they deserve.

Every supporter of every team will feel more hard done by at some point.

not haing the above tho mate , then try it?, do me a favour.. of course its more chance of being 22/24 or whatever ffs mate - please lets debate a theory developed by Einstein on a football forum - ffs... proper scraping the barrel that one

"ffs... proper scraping the barrel that one"

But you're not going to try it, its ok mate, neither am I, But I think the chances are just as great you getting a 22/24, or a 30/16, or maybe even a 41/5!..

I wonder if there's any here that want to try it and see how many come close to 22/24!..

comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 17 seconds ago

"ffs... proper scraping the barrel that one"

But you're not going to try it, its ok mate, neither am I, But I think the chances are just as great you getting a 22/24, or a 30/16, or maybe even a 41/5!..

I wonder if there's any here that want to try it and see how many come close to 22/24!..

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you on the wind up mate?

have a pop at Einstein mate, its his probability theory mate got nowt to do wi me

dear lord..

superb day on JA606

Germany - I think the point of productivity theory, is the more times you flip that coin, the more chance of it evening out...

so if we think of the variables in football, (which is why I assume this was even brought into it) - 46 games and nine months worth of situations in a football season, with 20 odd teams playing) is a relatively long time.

sigh.. I have a go...

so if you flip the coin 6 times, theres an extreemly high chance you'll flip in on heads 4 times, 5 times...

but, flip it 1000 times, the chance of it being so great a percentage diffence.. 200 heads, 800 tales, is very very small.

I tried my best to explain it feel free to google it

Is Einstein still about, I'm sure if he is he'd love to try this thing out to prove you right!..

Or wrong!..

No use going on about it if you don't want to try it, I mean we wouldn't want you to prove yourself wrong would we?

And dear lord, I don't believe in him so can ignore that!..

No use going on about it if you don't want to try it, I mean we wouldn't want you to prove yourself wrong would we?

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you brought it up again

come on Germany, you're way better than this pal

Germany - please tell me your a flat earther.... what a sensational way to finish a week on JA

deary me... doubting Einstein now.. we've hit new heights... we really have

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 17 seconds ago

"ffs... proper scraping the barrel that one"

But you're not going to try it, its ok mate, neither am I, But I think the chances are just as great you getting a 22/24, or a 30/16, or maybe even a 41/5!..

I wonder if there's any here that want to try it and see how many come close to 22/24!..

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you on the wind up mate?

have a pop at Einstein mate, its his probability theory mate got nowt to do wi me

dear lord..

superb day on JA606
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Can’t believe this conversation is still ongoing.

Unfortunately I’ve been forced to pop back in because of you.

I think you mean Einstein theory of relativity. Which has very little relevance to this boring chat. And for that comment alone you should accept defeat and walk away you donut

Universal suffrage. What a complete feccking disaster.

Really? People are actually doubting if you flip a coin 1000 times, you’ll end up about even?

You’re really denying this?

I mean, if that’s the case, you’re right, there really is little point in continuing 😅

Lads feel free to Google it yourselves!

And I never even brought coin tosses up .. 😂

Accept defeat faith? The only difference in opposition on this thread is I think luck or bad luck evens out over season. We and everyone else mostly agree 99% of the time you finish in the league where you deserve?

Accept defeat? - there’s nothing to lose 😂… just talking opinions as nobody yet has given an example of a team that’s finished where they didn’t deserve 😂

In a sense you're both right - depending on what you mean.

The essence of probability means that things do tend towards evening themselves out. But what we mean by luck is a different beast.

When we talk about luck we're taking into account circumstance and outcome.

The chances of winning the Euromillions is about 1 in 139 million. The chances of getting 22 green traffic lights in a row on your way to work (assuming 40% of the time green, 40% red and 20% pedestrian) is about 1 in 568 million.

The former changes your life and those of your family for quite possibly generations, the latter means you get to work 10 minutes earlier than usual.

But the probability of both is very roughly the same.

Perhaps probability does tend to even itself out in the long run (but don't assume that one season is anything like long enough for that to happen), but luck very certainly doesn't.

You only need to think of a tragic case like Luke Mannings and his family (will their luck even itself out over the season?) to know that the phrase 'it evens itself over the season' is simply not true at all.

As I believe Shirley Williams once said - the secret to a good life is to be lucky in your luck.

(And apologies if you've read this far, I happen to be a maths teacher!)

Radebe… brilliant post

Re-read that again redebe, really is a quality post that, articulate and intelligent 👍

Unfortunately some people think a debate is about winning and losing, it’s actually about discussing opinions and intelligently coming to some form of conclusion!

Unfortunately some, like Faith prefer to play a game of my d 1cks bigger than yours… it is, we both know it 😂

"The more I practice, the luckier I get” is a quote attributed to South African golfer Gary Player. The quote is often used to illustrate the idea that hard work and practice can lead to success, but that luck will alway play a role.

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago

… nobody yet has given an example of a team that’s finished where they didn’t deserve 😂

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Surely this is THE example ....a goal-line technology error in a match between Aston Villa and Sheffield United in 2020 which prevented Sheffield United from scoring and helped Aston Villa avoid relegation

Pure fluke that the technology failed right when it was needed.

.They 'deserved' to be relegated... and now they're topping Champions League.

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 36 minutes ago
Re-read that again redebe, really is a quality post that, articulate and intelligent 👍

Unfortunately some people think a debate is about winning and losing, it’s actually about discussing opinions and intelligently coming to some form of conclusion!

Unfortunately some, like Faith prefer to play a game of my d 1cks bigger than yours… it is, we both know it 😂
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You can’t expect to tell us about Einstein theory if probability and it not be funny!

Stop taking this so seriously. It stopped making sense days ago.

comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 19 hours, 38 minutes ago
In a sense you're both right - depending on what you mean.

The essence of probability means that things do tend towards evening themselves out. But what we mean by luck is a different beast.

When we talk about luck we're taking into account circumstance and outcome.

The chances of winning the Euromillions is about 1 in 139 million. The chances of getting 22 green traffic lights in a row on your way to work (assuming 40% of the time green, 40% red and 20% pedestrian) is about 1 in 568 million.

The former changes your life and those of your family for quite possibly generations, the latter means you get to work 10 minutes earlier than usual.

But the probability of both is very roughly the same.

Perhaps probability does tend to even itself out in the long run (but don't assume that one season is anything like long enough for that to happen), but luck very certainly doesn't.

You only need to think of a tragic case like Luke Mannings and his family (will their luck even itself out over the season?) to know that the phrase 'it evens itself over the season' is simply not true at all.

As I believe Shirley Williams once said - the secret to a good life is to be lucky in your luck.

(And apologies if you've read this far, I happen to be a maths teacher!)
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Morning Radebe and all🌞

Have you heard the old joke about the difference between a mathematician and an engineer?

Anyway, you’re of course absolutely correct. Theoretically speaking. What many people ignore/don’t understand when it comes to probability and luck (chance), is that imperfections in the system, some naturally occurring, but some not; do affect the outcome. Using the simple example above of the coin toss, yep, of course, for a coin which is equally weighted and equally shaped on both heads and tails sides, the number of occurrences of each side will, eventually, become 50/50 over time. It will take a lot more than 46 throws to achieve this outcome though. But … if the coin is not perfectly formed … or if indeed, some unscrupulous individual has deliberately weighted one side or the other, then you will indeed get a mis-match in outcomes - i.e. not 50/50. I’m sure there is a read-across of this analogy into football - but I can’t be @rsed to do it😁.

comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 36 minutes ago
Re-read that again redebe, really is a quality post that, articulate and intelligent 👍

Unfortunately some people think a debate is about winning and losing, it’s actually about discussing opinions and intelligently coming to some form of conclusion!

Unfortunately some, like Faith prefer to play a game of my d 1cks bigger than yours… it is, we both know it 😂
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You can’t expect to tell us about Einstein theory if probability and it not be funny!

Stop taking this so seriously. It stopped making sense days ago.

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, I just knew you'd bite faithy

don't worry, I'm sure your wife doesn't mind