posted 19 hours, 51 minutes ago
I had no idea who this guy was until yesterday. I have been scouring all the threads in hope that we have someone who lives in Portugal who can fill in the blanks.
The way I see it is any new manager is going to inherit the Bruno problem. I fear I have not seen the last of 4-2-3-1
posted 19 hours, 44 minutes ago
I'm going to judge him on his own merits. He could be Ten Hag Mk2 or he could we Fergie Mk2. Realistically the best case scenario is that he's somewhere inbetween. If he can just sort out the midfield that would be something. I think if he can do that we'll see our forwards being more effective in terms of end product.
posted 19 hours, 37 minutes ago
His main issue will be communicating his ideas properly which is something I don't think Ten Hag quite managed. There's no doubt in my mind Erik knew what he wanted to do he just couldn't get them to do it!
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Very similar in that aspect to LVG. Always taking notes but pretty much changing nothing.
posted 19 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
I had no idea who this guy was until yesterday. I have been scouring all the threads in hope that we have someone who lives in Portugal who can fill in the blanks.
The way I see it is any new manager is going to inherit the Bruno problem. I fear I have not seen the last of 4-2-3-1
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Not many United fans know much about this guy if they are honest. I dont either. Completely off my radar. We have to trust that INEOS know what they are doing. This whole takeover of United depends on them getting it right. Which hasnt been questioned enough imo.They are certainly doing the right things in restructuring the sporting club. Lets hope the personel the7y lhave appointed are up to it. Retaining TH in the sumner was a bad start which has set them (and us supporters) back a season and cost them millions Yet Jim thinks cost cutting involves sacking staff workers on minimum wages and cancelling supporters busses back into town to ease congestion and Euro ticket collections. Get a grip ffs Ratcliffe.
posted 19 hours, 34 minutes ago
There is always a risk of whoever you appoint - there's no real way to tell if a manager is going to be successful at the highest level. If you look at those that could be considered successful over a decent period of time at their peak in the EPL - SAF, Wenger, Jose, Pep and Klopp. They all came to the EPL with different previous experiences, some more proven than others, but there was no real template for how they actually got here.
The actual pedigrees of ETH and Slot were similar, but ETH has struggled whereas Slot, for the time being, has settled in well. Of course they came into clubs under different circumstances, but you just can't say the step up from Holland to EPL doesn't work - it's not that simple.
All managers have to start somewhere and generally progress. I want to see us appointing managers who could be the next big thing - obviously there is a risk that they could not work out, but that could be the case even with a Conte, or Tuchel / similar.
You just don't know until they are in the job. And with the really great managers, it almost doesn't matter what happens in the background, they just find a way to be successful etc.
I want to remain upbeat and positive about Amorim - of course it could all go wrong, but that's how it is, but let's not be scared to just try and embrace and enjoy the fact that we could be getting in a manger who could really improve us and finally get us where we want to be.
posted 19 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
His main issue will be communicating his ideas properly which is something I don't think Ten Hag quite managed. There's no doubt in my mind Erik knew what he wanted to do he just couldn't get them to do it!
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Very similar in that aspect to LVG. Always taking notes but pretty much changing nothing.
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To be fair to that madman at least his sides had a bit of identity. Granted it was pretty boring but at least you knew what you were getting most of the time.
posted 19 hours, 22 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
posted 19 hours, 13 minutes ago
Interestingly when the line up was announced for the Fenerbahce game I thought we should play 3-4-3 which seems to be more in line with Amorim.
Of course our numbnut of a manager thought it best to play a full back in the Bruno role. Egotistical coaching is what that kind of tomfoolery is called.
posted 18 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
posted 18 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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In many ways it's quite an easy job. The fans are pretty patient and as long as the team tries to play some exciting football and gives 100% then we're going to be happy. Well, in the short term at least because expectations are so low at present.
The manager can't pander to low expectations though IMO. They need to aim for the stars and make the players believe.
posted 18 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
posted 18 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
When I look at what Amorin has achieved, it's seems similar to what ETH acheived at Ajax. Hopefully he can handle the step up.
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Thank god. I thought I was the only one seeing this.
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I think this is why we have to look at the raw talent of a manager rather than relying on their record.
Proven trophy winner at big clubs? - Did he have a formula that gave him a competitive edge at one point, but was unable to adapt once the game overtook him? There were reasonable questions about Guardiola's quality when we could only see his work at Barca. Those were dispelled when he not only continued to be very successful at Bayern and then City, but to continually adapt and innovate. Mourinho, on the other hand, has had diminishing returns from his methods.
Hip young coach? - Do we have evidence that his ideas are ahead of the tactical curve? Does he have the personality to deal with the pressure / impose himself on the squad when moving to a big club?
As interested bystanders we have very little basis to make these judgements, but a club with our resources has the ability to assess the probability of success and good fit in a more informed way.
posted 18 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
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Why is it absolutely last chance? Are we going bust or into administration if he fails and we get another new manager next season? I get what you mean and it’s really about time we get it right, but you can’t just pick a big name because of that and not take a calculated risk if he aligns with what they are looking for.
posted 18 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
When I look at what Amorin has achieved, it's seems similar to what ETH acheived at Ajax. Hopefully he can handle the step up.
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Thank god. I thought I was the only one seeing this.
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My thoughts too. I kind of want a manager who has tried and failed in the Prem once. Someone with mistakes hes learnt from. ETH will make a good manager next time he gets a big club to manage,
posted 18 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
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But there's no guarantee that a 'tried and tested' candidate from a major league would be successful here? Any new manager will be a gamble, regardless of what they have done previously.
I don't feel it's last chance saloon - it never is to be honest. All we can do is appoint someone and hope he works out. I like appointing someone who is proving themselves at a lower level and giving them a chance to prove it at the very top - very few make it, and we can only hope we have picked the right guy.
Who would fall into your tried and tested category?
posted 18 hours, 25 minutes ago
Dont know anything about the guy at all.
All I want is some excitement, when I’m at OT these days I’m mostly bored looking at the clock to see when is the best time to leave to beat the traffic out of the car park, it’s just dull slow dreary painful football played by players with miserable faces, it’s not entertainment at all.
I have got so used to it now it doesn’t even bother me when we lose, under Fergie I would be in a mood for days on end if we lost, I want that feeling back,I want to really care about the club and our performances and be proud of the club again.
As I say I know nothing about this guy but I just pray he can put just a bit of excitement and magic back into OT.
posted 18 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
When I look at what Amorin has achieved, it's seems similar to what ETH acheived at Ajax. Hopefully he can handle the step up.
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Thank god. I thought I was the only one seeing this.
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My thoughts too. I kind of want a manager who has tried and failed in the Prem once. Someone with mistakes hes learnt from. ETH will make a good manager next time he gets a big club to manage,
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I don't think there is a template for being successful in the EPL - very few really manage it, most will be below the highest level but still be good managers. I do feel that certain managers just fit in well at certain clubs, but you don't really know that until you are at that club.
No doubt, and hopefully, ETH will find the right club for him, but it could be he's not made out for a very big club, we won't know until it happens.
But who would you choose then?
posted 18 hours, 20 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see ETH rock up at Bayern when they get fed up of Kompany.
posted 18 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see ETH rock up at Bayern when they get fed up of Kompany.
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You could imagine ETH doing well there if it came to that. Hindsight is wonderful, but ETH just didn't fit in here - you don't know that until someone is in place, but that's how it worked out
I think there would be less 'noise' around a club like Bayern, which would suit him better.
It could be that he is better at a slightly smaller club and that general atmosphere - not everyone is cut out for the big jobs.
posted 17 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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In many ways it's quite an easy job. The fans are pretty patient and as long as the team tries to play some exciting football and gives 100% then we're going to be happy. Well, in the short term at least because expectations are so low at present.
The manager can't pander to low expectations though IMO. They need to aim for the stars and make the players believe.
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You know what really kills me, is the fact the expectations have fallen so low. Just want to see some decent football and scoring some goals on a regular basis. A club like ours should be minimum top 4, ideally challenging for the title, and getting to the latter stages of CL.
But we'll get back to that..................one day
posted 17 hours, 28 minutes ago
Yes. That's really bad. 'Only' Top 4 would have been disappointing a decade or so ago!
posted 17 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes. That's really bad. 'Only' Top 4 would have been disappointing a decade or so ago!
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We use to make mockery of Wenger's gooners for it in the latter years................
posted 15 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
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But there's no guarantee that a 'tried and tested' candidate from a major league would be successful here? Any new manager will be a gamble, regardless of what they have done previously.
I don't feel it's last chance saloon - it never is to be honest. All we can do is appoint someone and hope he works out. I like appointing someone who is proving themselves at a lower level and giving them a chance to prove it at the very top - very few make it, and we can only hope we have picked the right guy.
Who would fall into your tried and tested category?
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Someone with LaLiga/PL/Italian proven experience. Id look in those places
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posted 19 hours, 51 minutes ago
I had no idea who this guy was until yesterday. I have been scouring all the threads in hope that we have someone who lives in Portugal who can fill in the blanks.
The way I see it is any new manager is going to inherit the Bruno problem. I fear I have not seen the last of 4-2-3-1
posted 19 hours, 44 minutes ago
I'm going to judge him on his own merits. He could be Ten Hag Mk2 or he could we Fergie Mk2. Realistically the best case scenario is that he's somewhere inbetween. If he can just sort out the midfield that would be something. I think if he can do that we'll see our forwards being more effective in terms of end product.
posted 19 hours, 37 minutes ago
His main issue will be communicating his ideas properly which is something I don't think Ten Hag quite managed. There's no doubt in my mind Erik knew what he wanted to do he just couldn't get them to do it!
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Very similar in that aspect to LVG. Always taking notes but pretty much changing nothing.
posted 19 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
I had no idea who this guy was until yesterday. I have been scouring all the threads in hope that we have someone who lives in Portugal who can fill in the blanks.
The way I see it is any new manager is going to inherit the Bruno problem. I fear I have not seen the last of 4-2-3-1
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Not many United fans know much about this guy if they are honest. I dont either. Completely off my radar. We have to trust that INEOS know what they are doing. This whole takeover of United depends on them getting it right. Which hasnt been questioned enough imo.They are certainly doing the right things in restructuring the sporting club. Lets hope the personel the7y lhave appointed are up to it. Retaining TH in the sumner was a bad start which has set them (and us supporters) back a season and cost them millions Yet Jim thinks cost cutting involves sacking staff workers on minimum wages and cancelling supporters busses back into town to ease congestion and Euro ticket collections. Get a grip ffs Ratcliffe.
posted 19 hours, 34 minutes ago
There is always a risk of whoever you appoint - there's no real way to tell if a manager is going to be successful at the highest level. If you look at those that could be considered successful over a decent period of time at their peak in the EPL - SAF, Wenger, Jose, Pep and Klopp. They all came to the EPL with different previous experiences, some more proven than others, but there was no real template for how they actually got here.
The actual pedigrees of ETH and Slot were similar, but ETH has struggled whereas Slot, for the time being, has settled in well. Of course they came into clubs under different circumstances, but you just can't say the step up from Holland to EPL doesn't work - it's not that simple.
All managers have to start somewhere and generally progress. I want to see us appointing managers who could be the next big thing - obviously there is a risk that they could not work out, but that could be the case even with a Conte, or Tuchel / similar.
You just don't know until they are in the job. And with the really great managers, it almost doesn't matter what happens in the background, they just find a way to be successful etc.
I want to remain upbeat and positive about Amorim - of course it could all go wrong, but that's how it is, but let's not be scared to just try and embrace and enjoy the fact that we could be getting in a manger who could really improve us and finally get us where we want to be.
posted 19 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
His main issue will be communicating his ideas properly which is something I don't think Ten Hag quite managed. There's no doubt in my mind Erik knew what he wanted to do he just couldn't get them to do it!
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Very similar in that aspect to LVG. Always taking notes but pretty much changing nothing.
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To be fair to that madman at least his sides had a bit of identity. Granted it was pretty boring but at least you knew what you were getting most of the time.
posted 19 hours, 22 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
posted 19 hours, 13 minutes ago
Interestingly when the line up was announced for the Fenerbahce game I thought we should play 3-4-3 which seems to be more in line with Amorim.
Of course our numbnut of a manager thought it best to play a full back in the Bruno role. Egotistical coaching is what that kind of tomfoolery is called.
posted 18 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
posted 18 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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In many ways it's quite an easy job. The fans are pretty patient and as long as the team tries to play some exciting football and gives 100% then we're going to be happy. Well, in the short term at least because expectations are so low at present.
The manager can't pander to low expectations though IMO. They need to aim for the stars and make the players believe.
posted 18 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
posted 18 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
When I look at what Amorin has achieved, it's seems similar to what ETH acheived at Ajax. Hopefully he can handle the step up.
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Thank god. I thought I was the only one seeing this.
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I think this is why we have to look at the raw talent of a manager rather than relying on their record.
Proven trophy winner at big clubs? - Did he have a formula that gave him a competitive edge at one point, but was unable to adapt once the game overtook him? There were reasonable questions about Guardiola's quality when we could only see his work at Barca. Those were dispelled when he not only continued to be very successful at Bayern and then City, but to continually adapt and innovate. Mourinho, on the other hand, has had diminishing returns from his methods.
Hip young coach? - Do we have evidence that his ideas are ahead of the tactical curve? Does he have the personality to deal with the pressure / impose himself on the squad when moving to a big club?
As interested bystanders we have very little basis to make these judgements, but a club with our resources has the ability to assess the probability of success and good fit in a more informed way.
posted 18 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
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Why is it absolutely last chance? Are we going bust or into administration if he fails and we get another new manager next season? I get what you mean and it’s really about time we get it right, but you can’t just pick a big name because of that and not take a calculated risk if he aligns with what they are looking for.
posted 18 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
When I look at what Amorin has achieved, it's seems similar to what ETH acheived at Ajax. Hopefully he can handle the step up.
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Thank god. I thought I was the only one seeing this.
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My thoughts too. I kind of want a manager who has tried and failed in the Prem once. Someone with mistakes hes learnt from. ETH will make a good manager next time he gets a big club to manage,
posted 18 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
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But there's no guarantee that a 'tried and tested' candidate from a major league would be successful here? Any new manager will be a gamble, regardless of what they have done previously.
I don't feel it's last chance saloon - it never is to be honest. All we can do is appoint someone and hope he works out. I like appointing someone who is proving themselves at a lower level and giving them a chance to prove it at the very top - very few make it, and we can only hope we have picked the right guy.
Who would fall into your tried and tested category?
posted 18 hours, 25 minutes ago
Dont know anything about the guy at all.
All I want is some excitement, when I’m at OT these days I’m mostly bored looking at the clock to see when is the best time to leave to beat the traffic out of the car park, it’s just dull slow dreary painful football played by players with miserable faces, it’s not entertainment at all.
I have got so used to it now it doesn’t even bother me when we lose, under Fergie I would be in a mood for days on end if we lost, I want that feeling back,I want to really care about the club and our performances and be proud of the club again.
As I say I know nothing about this guy but I just pray he can put just a bit of excitement and magic back into OT.
posted 18 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
When I look at what Amorin has achieved, it's seems similar to what ETH acheived at Ajax. Hopefully he can handle the step up.
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Thank god. I thought I was the only one seeing this.
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My thoughts too. I kind of want a manager who has tried and failed in the Prem once. Someone with mistakes hes learnt from. ETH will make a good manager next time he gets a big club to manage,
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I don't think there is a template for being successful in the EPL - very few really manage it, most will be below the highest level but still be good managers. I do feel that certain managers just fit in well at certain clubs, but you don't really know that until you are at that club.
No doubt, and hopefully, ETH will find the right club for him, but it could be he's not made out for a very big club, we won't know until it happens.
But who would you choose then?
posted 18 hours, 20 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see ETH rock up at Bayern when they get fed up of Kompany.
posted 18 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see ETH rock up at Bayern when they get fed up of Kompany.
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You could imagine ETH doing well there if it came to that. Hindsight is wonderful, but ETH just didn't fit in here - you don't know that until someone is in place, but that's how it worked out
I think there would be less 'noise' around a club like Bayern, which would suit him better.
It could be that he is better at a slightly smaller club and that general atmosphere - not everyone is cut out for the big jobs.
posted 17 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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In many ways it's quite an easy job. The fans are pretty patient and as long as the team tries to play some exciting football and gives 100% then we're going to be happy. Well, in the short term at least because expectations are so low at present.
The manager can't pander to low expectations though IMO. They need to aim for the stars and make the players believe.
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You know what really kills me, is the fact the expectations have fallen so low. Just want to see some decent football and scoring some goals on a regular basis. A club like ours should be minimum top 4, ideally challenging for the title, and getting to the latter stages of CL.
But we'll get back to that..................one day
posted 17 hours, 28 minutes ago
Yes. That's really bad. 'Only' Top 4 would have been disappointing a decade or so ago!
posted 17 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes. That's really bad. 'Only' Top 4 would have been disappointing a decade or so ago!
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We use to make mockery of Wenger's gooners for it in the latter years................
posted 15 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
Liverpools squad had the winning culture and coaching standards of the Klopp years and Slot has seemlesly fitted into that himself. He hit the ground running. Lpools players are much beyter than Uniteds too. Ypu cant compare what Uniteds new manager is set to face compared with what Slot faced. United is currently a Ten Hag chit show
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I think you do Slot some injustice here - many thought he would struggle initially, but he has adapted the team to be a little less gung-ho and is moulding them into his way. What if we had got Slot, how would he have done here? You just don't know really.
Like you said Slot has hit the ground running, but it's whether he can maintain that. You only have to look at what ETH achieved in his first season, a third place and a trophy, and then it went downhill from there.
I don't deny Liverpool have a better squad that us, but I also don't believe that ours is so bad that it shouldn't be doing better than what it is.
I genuinely think the Utd job is a great opportunity for a manager to show what he can do and be the one to get Utd back on their feet. ETH turned out not to be that guy, but hopefully Amorim will be.
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I agree its a great ppportunity for any manager. But United cant afford to fail again. So thwre has to be no gambles here. United need to hire a tried and tested candidate in a major League. No facking about now. Its now last chance saloon for United to eventually get it right
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But there's no guarantee that a 'tried and tested' candidate from a major league would be successful here? Any new manager will be a gamble, regardless of what they have done previously.
I don't feel it's last chance saloon - it never is to be honest. All we can do is appoint someone and hope he works out. I like appointing someone who is proving themselves at a lower level and giving them a chance to prove it at the very top - very few make it, and we can only hope we have picked the right guy.
Who would fall into your tried and tested category?
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Someone with LaLiga/PL/Italian proven experience. Id look in those places
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