comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's laughable that anyone thinks we're going to be shipping out all these players next summer, who are either crap, or on huge wages, or both!
Look at Martial, look at Lindelof, look at Van Der beek, McTominay, Sancho ffs! Go back all the way you want - Bailly, Jones, Rojo, Sanchez, Fellaini. These players are happy to do sit and earn $$ and no club wants them or can afford their wages.
And loans are no good. You have to free up wages to even think about bringing in new players. And no club is going to pay full wages for the players being named.
And all of that without even mentioning PFR constraints.
It's just not how it works. There'll be not mass exodus next summer. And we won't be rebuilding with 4 or 5 signings either. Certainly not after the summer purchases we've just had.
We'll be lucky to bring in a couple of players but otherwise we have to accept this is the squad and count on Amorim to get them playing.
And what's weird is that we would even consider getting rid of so many players before Amorim's even had a chance to work with them.
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I think too many folk think this is fantasy football or championship manager...................
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's laughable that anyone thinks we're going to be shipping out all these players next summer, who are either crap, or on huge wages, or both!
Look at Martial, look at Lindelof, look at Van Der beek, McTominay, Sancho ffs! Go back all the way you want - Bailly, Jones, Rojo, Sanchez, Fellaini. These players are happy to do sit and earn $$ and no club wants them or can afford their wages.
And loans are no good. You have to free up wages to even think about bringing in new players. And no club is going to pay full wages for the players being named.
And all of that without even mentioning PFR constraints.
It's just not how it works. There'll be not mass exodus next summer. And we won't be rebuilding with 4 or 5 signings either. Certainly not after the summer purchases we've just had.
We'll be lucky to bring in a couple of players but otherwise we have to accept this is the squad and count on Amorim to get them playing.
And what's weird is that we would even consider getting rid of so many players before Amorim's even had a chance to work with them.
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I think too many folk think this is fantasy football or championship manager...................
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I was going to mention that but thought better of it
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
Amorim faces a mammoth challenge, with key metrics showing the scale of the task ahead:
Goals scored: 9 (18th)
xG performance: -7.8 (20th)
Shot conversion: 6.4% (19th)
Big chance conversion: 19% (20th)
This situation requires more than a two-year contract IMHO. Amorim’s decision to accept the role suggests he sees potential within the current squad, yet both the numbers and our league standing indicate we’re in relegation form. Stopping the rot is key, but is there enough to work on? The players’ inconsistency, with some choosing when to run and others displaying zero to no work rate, has consistently undermined successive managers as have decision making and in-game management. These are overpaid amateurs! And they will continue to do the same unless a massive sea change in attitude takes place.
The club's culture is clearly toxic, and unless this is addressed, managerial changes or player recruitment will continue to fail.
We’ll probably end up loaning out Antony in January.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
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To be honest I can take him or leave him but I like to see an underdog win sometimes. He's been criticised from all angles but I'm convinced (unless it's the Mandela effect!) that when we played well in Erik's first season he was usually playing.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
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To be honest I can take him or leave him but I like to see an underdog win sometimes. He's been criticised from all angles but I'm convinced (unless it's the Mandela effect!) that when we played well in Erik's first season he was usually playing.
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He had what I would say was a decent first season, but then like the entire squad really, was poor in the second season. I know the fee isn't his fault, but that's hung round his neck so heavily, and he's obviously not that good a player regardless.
I feel at best he can become a good squad player, but ultimately that's not what we paid for, so barring a miracle, hard to see him long-term remaining, but you would like to think there is a semi-decent player there.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
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To be honest I can take him or leave him but I like to see an underdog win sometimes. He's been criticised from all angles but I'm convinced (unless it's the Mandela effect!) that when we played well in Erik's first season he was usually playing.
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He had what I would say was a decent first season, but then like the entire squad really, was poor in the second season. I know the fee isn't his fault, but that's hung round his neck so heavily, and he's obviously not that good a player regardless.
I feel at best he can become a good squad player, but ultimately that's not what we paid for, so barring a miracle, hard to see him long-term remaining, but you would like to think there is a semi-decent player there.
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Yes, the fee was ridiculous! If Amorim can get a 'Victor Moses' type of season from him or something until we get better that'd be something. If for no other reason than to get a decent fee.
Antony would be decent on a 5-a-side pitch but on an adult 11-a-side pitch, he shouldn't be playing professionally. He can't kick it far enough and can't run more than a couple of metres. I am not sure if he can see further than 5 metres away either. Other than that, he hasn't been that bad of a signing.
It might be worth trying him on the left.
I appreciate it's unlikely this will happen though.
Did he not score a few decent goals in his first season? I can't believe I'm almost defending him now .
I would love to know to this day why we agreed to pay such a large fee for him - I know ETH wanted him, but doubt he had anything to do with what was paid - I wonder if ETH thought, wow, I didn't want him that badly .
But he has been somewhat abandoned this season which does no good for him or getting a good fee for him. But he gets a fresh start under Amorim so fingers crossed. Maybe be the attacking role alongside the main striker could bring something out of him
If he sticks with the system he’s used (to incredible success) at Sporting, he’s probably going to want, more or less in order:
1. LWB/RWB
2. RWB/LWB
3. Right inside forward
4. Hard working, pacy, ball-carrying CM
5. Aerially dominant, strong central CB/rangy, pacier RCB (depending on how he sees De Ligt
6. Left inside forward/10 (depending on how he’s gonna use Bruno.
Antony playing under Amorim isn’t completely ridiculous, tbh.
In terms of his playing style and work rate, he’s more of an Amorim-type forward than Rashford or Garnacho.
I think Antony playing professional football is pretty ridiculous.
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Antony playing professional football is pretty ridiculous.
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posted on 4/11/24
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's laughable that anyone thinks we're going to be shipping out all these players next summer, who are either crap, or on huge wages, or both!
Look at Martial, look at Lindelof, look at Van Der beek, McTominay, Sancho ffs! Go back all the way you want - Bailly, Jones, Rojo, Sanchez, Fellaini. These players are happy to do sit and earn $$ and no club wants them or can afford their wages.
And loans are no good. You have to free up wages to even think about bringing in new players. And no club is going to pay full wages for the players being named.
And all of that without even mentioning PFR constraints.
It's just not how it works. There'll be not mass exodus next summer. And we won't be rebuilding with 4 or 5 signings either. Certainly not after the summer purchases we've just had.
We'll be lucky to bring in a couple of players but otherwise we have to accept this is the squad and count on Amorim to get them playing.
And what's weird is that we would even consider getting rid of so many players before Amorim's even had a chance to work with them.
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I think too many folk think this is fantasy football or championship manager...................
posted on 4/11/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's laughable that anyone thinks we're going to be shipping out all these players next summer, who are either crap, or on huge wages, or both!
Look at Martial, look at Lindelof, look at Van Der beek, McTominay, Sancho ffs! Go back all the way you want - Bailly, Jones, Rojo, Sanchez, Fellaini. These players are happy to do sit and earn $$ and no club wants them or can afford their wages.
And loans are no good. You have to free up wages to even think about bringing in new players. And no club is going to pay full wages for the players being named.
And all of that without even mentioning PFR constraints.
It's just not how it works. There'll be not mass exodus next summer. And we won't be rebuilding with 4 or 5 signings either. Certainly not after the summer purchases we've just had.
We'll be lucky to bring in a couple of players but otherwise we have to accept this is the squad and count on Amorim to get them playing.
And what's weird is that we would even consider getting rid of so many players before Amorim's even had a chance to work with them.
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I think too many folk think this is fantasy football or championship manager...................
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I was going to mention that but thought better of it
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
posted on 4/11/24
Amorim faces a mammoth challenge, with key metrics showing the scale of the task ahead:
Goals scored: 9 (18th)
xG performance: -7.8 (20th)
Shot conversion: 6.4% (19th)
Big chance conversion: 19% (20th)
This situation requires more than a two-year contract IMHO. Amorim’s decision to accept the role suggests he sees potential within the current squad, yet both the numbers and our league standing indicate we’re in relegation form. Stopping the rot is key, but is there enough to work on? The players’ inconsistency, with some choosing when to run and others displaying zero to no work rate, has consistently undermined successive managers as have decision making and in-game management. These are overpaid amateurs! And they will continue to do the same unless a massive sea change in attitude takes place.
The club's culture is clearly toxic, and unless this is addressed, managerial changes or player recruitment will continue to fail.
posted on 4/11/24
We’ll probably end up loaning out Antony in January.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
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To be honest I can take him or leave him but I like to see an underdog win sometimes. He's been criticised from all angles but I'm convinced (unless it's the Mandela effect!) that when we played well in Erik's first season he was usually playing.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
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To be honest I can take him or leave him but I like to see an underdog win sometimes. He's been criticised from all angles but I'm convinced (unless it's the Mandela effect!) that when we played well in Erik's first season he was usually playing.
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He had what I would say was a decent first season, but then like the entire squad really, was poor in the second season. I know the fee isn't his fault, but that's hung round his neck so heavily, and he's obviously not that good a player regardless.
I feel at best he can become a good squad player, but ultimately that's not what we paid for, so barring a miracle, hard to see him long-term remaining, but you would like to think there is a semi-decent player there.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
I await the meltdown on here when Amorim starts Antony on a regular basis because he works hard and listens to instruction.
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I know you have a wee soft spot for Antony - I'm starting to think that Antony might turn into a player under Amorim, it'll be one of those weird outcomes from him coming here
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be honest I can take him or leave him but I like to see an underdog win sometimes. He's been criticised from all angles but I'm convinced (unless it's the Mandela effect!) that when we played well in Erik's first season he was usually playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He had what I would say was a decent first season, but then like the entire squad really, was poor in the second season. I know the fee isn't his fault, but that's hung round his neck so heavily, and he's obviously not that good a player regardless.
I feel at best he can become a good squad player, but ultimately that's not what we paid for, so barring a miracle, hard to see him long-term remaining, but you would like to think there is a semi-decent player there.
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Yes, the fee was ridiculous! If Amorim can get a 'Victor Moses' type of season from him or something until we get better that'd be something. If for no other reason than to get a decent fee.
posted on 4/11/24
Antony would be decent on a 5-a-side pitch but on an adult 11-a-side pitch, he shouldn't be playing professionally. He can't kick it far enough and can't run more than a couple of metres. I am not sure if he can see further than 5 metres away either. Other than that, he hasn't been that bad of a signing.
posted on 4/11/24
It might be worth trying him on the left.
I appreciate it's unlikely this will happen though.
posted on 4/11/24
Did he not score a few decent goals in his first season? I can't believe I'm almost defending him now .
I would love to know to this day why we agreed to pay such a large fee for him - I know ETH wanted him, but doubt he had anything to do with what was paid - I wonder if ETH thought, wow, I didn't want him that badly .
But he has been somewhat abandoned this season which does no good for him or getting a good fee for him. But he gets a fresh start under Amorim so fingers crossed. Maybe be the attacking role alongside the main striker could bring something out of him
posted on 4/11/24
If he sticks with the system he’s used (to incredible success) at Sporting, he’s probably going to want, more or less in order:
1. LWB/RWB
2. RWB/LWB
3. Right inside forward
4. Hard working, pacy, ball-carrying CM
5. Aerially dominant, strong central CB/rangy, pacier RCB (depending on how he sees De Ligt
6. Left inside forward/10 (depending on how he’s gonna use Bruno.
posted on 4/11/24
Antony playing under Amorim isn’t completely ridiculous, tbh.
In terms of his playing style and work rate, he’s more of an Amorim-type forward than Rashford or Garnacho.
posted on 4/11/24
I think Antony playing professional football is pretty ridiculous.
posted on 4/11/24
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Antony playing professional football is pretty ridiculous.
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