https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/big_chance_missed
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/hit_woodwork
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/clean_sheet
Ten Hag did turn it around, just our wasteful players got him the sack.

I have very little faith in Ange. He is the sort of manager that will turn it round for one or 2 matches and then lose the next 2. His style of play, in this league, will give us inconsistent results. Either an 8/10 performance or 2/10, nothing in between.

We can moan about the squad all we want, but he has a squad capable of better but he just doesn't (and can't) get those consistent results.

ten hag was the best manager since SAF left and our inept players in attack cost him his job. We kept more cleans in the premierleague than Man City since ten hag was appointed.😂 We also had more shots in the first season and missed more big chances in ten hag first season but barely could score a goal. People say he couldn’t do what he did with Ajax but he actually did but we converted at such a poor rate.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/chancenverwertung/wettbewerb/GB1/sort/quote_im_tor/saison_id/2022

We should have won the 22/23 premierleague in reality.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/clean_sheet?se=489

We had most shots, most clean sheets and 2nd most big chances missed.

Fk off hafi

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/statistics/clubs/attempts/?sortBy=attempts_on_target&order=desc

2nd in the Europa League for shots. We even managed 29 shots away to Porto and some of it was with 10 men.

Bruno Fernandes created 32 big chances in 22/23 season but got 8 assists in the PL lol with an expected assist stat of over 17.😂

Okay, my main point is he turned it around but Man Utd have worse attackers in history of football undoing his good work. Ange actually done the same this season, defence is better and attack but the margins in football has put him under pressure.

No, he has said, out loud, he isn't going to change.

Therefore, nothing is gonna change.

You cannot defend with 2 players

He’ll probably be sacked by Xmas, looking at your fixtures.

No chance Ange turns it round with the sort of fixtures pre Xmas. I can see several defeats home and away before the 25th. If you ar enot beating Ipswich at home, then you aint beating anyone home or away.

It's a tricky one to judge this season though because of how bunched up the table is from 3rd downwards. If Spurs or anyone do start to build a run then they'll leap up the table

Monday morning, Spurs fans in a panic, that time again, manager must have been in post for 18 months

Hope you all gave a great week.

Yeah a lot of comments about Ange specifically but maybe cos i didn’t articulate the article properly. My thinking is more, do managers usually turn things around because if not, then why wait around?

If Spurs had won, they would be 3rd and been talked of as title challengers.👍

Had we won yeah could have been third….. but that’s nature of the beast and craving for success . Managers/coaches walk that thin line every week, every game.

It was interesting to listen to Troy Deaney on match of day. Yesterday. He firmly believes the players are at fault more than Ange. It is hard to disagree with a lot of what he said.

If we would have won we would have gone 3rd. If we would have lost to West Ham we'd be in 14th. What's the difference?

Forget league position for a second, this myth we play good football needs to stop. We are not a good side and we aren't improving. Nearly every game we feel dissapointed. Even when we win it usually involved a poor half.

No.... I don't think he can. I think he'll be gone by Christmas & i suspect Levy will see enough 2015 Poch in Graham Potter that he'll be the next Spurs manager.

The results since Nov of last year are simply not good enough, the away form speaks for itself.

If spurs are gonna continue with the current policy of signing younger, cheaper options.... Gray, Bergvall, Odobert, Drag, Udogie, BJ (Solanke over Toney) Etc then we are gonna need a manger that actually coaches and makes these players better.... That clearly isnt Ange.

Its been said tons of times but this version of "champagne fantasy football is great if you have the resources to buy the players capable of playing it or at least have a manager who show's tangible evidence that he can practice what he preaches (In a level higher than Scotland) and if it aint working, has to some tactical alternatives.

We have tried high profile "winners", Ange feels like low profile/lower quality "winner" but the simple truth is, a true "coach" who has the ability to make "not the very best players" better is the level spurs are at and a are in desperate need of.... Not some stubborn ideolog !!!

The idea that Ange is gonna revolutionize the PL with some crazy new brand of attacking football at a club like Spurs under mgmnt like Enic is quite frankly laughable.

Plenty of managers have turned things around to become dominant. SAF took 4 years before a Mark Robbins goal saved him the sack and he won an FA Cup in 1990. The rest is history. Arteta more recently, although he was heavily backed in the market.

I think comparisons to Ten Hag are actually unfair because in all his time at United, you couldn't really how he was trying to play. They played on the counter most of the time and really that's neither United nor his style. It was all very weird. At least Ange, for all his faults, has a very, very clear philosophy. We can definitely see that.

The one thing I'm really unsure about is what the cause is for our lack of consistency. Are the players not turning it on? That would be the easy excuse. I'm not so sure about that. I think it's more likely that our style of play feels more like a lottery. The one thing that happens every game is that we give up chances to the opposition. We're consistent on that front. So if that's a constant, all it takes is a bluntness up top combined with opposition potency and it's therefore understandable why we lose every third game or so. In short, inconsistency of results may be woven into the fabric of this style of play.

That's yet to be determined though. The one worry is that to my mind we've been inconsistent for a year now, going all the way back to THAT Chelsea game last year. If Ange knew how to correct it, wouldn't he have done it by now? It's very hard to maintain consistency playing such open football. It's the same reason Newcastle eventually fell away under Keegan. It sounds boring but the truth is that throughout football history, the one constant is that you can't win anything if you're not defensively solid. For a student of the game, I'm amazed Ange hasn't grasped this.

we probably play good football a generous 30% of the time

Ange In.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
If Spurs had won, they would be 3rd and been talked of as title challengers.👍
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Prefer to say Spurs didn't win, and sit 10th, and with City away next, are liable to slip even further. Losing to Ipswich at home is a disaster, however it is dressed up.

I've lost trust in Ange now. Every time I've started to believe that we are going to click, we've been hit with a poor loss and each time it's been worse than the last one - Brighton loss was worse than Newcastle, Palace result was worse than Brighton, Ipswich result was worse than Palace. Gone are the days where we were just losing to the decent teams and gone also it seems are the days where we were losing while playing well.

Lose to City, which is extremely likely, and that will be 6 losses in 12. We haven't done that since the awful 2 points from 8 Ramos season. Spurs managers with those stats have lost their jobs previously. The ones that did had a lot more credit in the bank than Ange has.

People try and excuse Ange saying he hasn't had players he wanted i.e. Eze and Neto. Well pretty much every other Spurs manager haven't been given players they wanted by Levy and they've done better than Ange and Ange has spent a fortune, let's not forget. Neto and Eze would have been another £100+m on top of what he's already spent and would that have fixed the shoddy defending for example?

So can he turn it around? Probably not. The ice he is on is wafer thin. Start looking into other managers already while we see how Ange does coming back after the international break. Any more Ipswich or Palace results should be the end of him.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
I've lost trust in Ange now. Every time I've started to believe that we are going to click, we've been hit with a poor loss and each time it's been worse than the last one - Brighton loss was worse than Newcastle, Palace result was worse than Brighton, Ipswich result was worse than Palace. Gone are the days where we were just losing to the decent teams and gone also it seems are the days where we were losing while playing well.

Lose to City, which is extremely likely, and that will be 6 losses in 12. We haven't done that since the awful 2 points from 8 Ramos season. Spurs managers with those stats have lost their jobs previously. The ones that did had a lot more credit in the bank than Ange has.

People try and excuse Ange saying he hasn't had players he wanted i.e. Eze and Neto. Well pretty much every other Spurs manager haven't been given players they wanted by Levy and they've done better than Ange and Ange has spent a fortune, let's not forget. Neto and Eze would have been another £100+m on top of what he's already spent and would that have fixed the shoddy defending for example?

So can he turn it around? Probably not. The ice he is on is wafer thin. Start looking into other managers already while we see how Ange does coming back after the international break. Any more Ipswich or Palace results should be the end of him.
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Oh god, I can't do another manager search. When is the penny going to drop that the problem isn't on the touchline, it's in the boardroom? Get rid of Ange and we start all over again with another mug that won't achieve anything.

You say Ange has spent a fortune but in reality, what has he bought? The only surefire primed and ready top player we got in was Maddison and that's largely because his fee was lower with one year left in a relegated team. Beyond that, even though we've got in players like BJ on big fees, there's one common denominator - low wages. We're signing young players in order to keep the wage bill down. Ange probably needs ready made leaders but club policy is stopping him from making progress.

This is not just about the manager. Just like all the managers who worked under Levy for the last 20 years, they're not being backed sufficiently because on field success is not the priority.

I'm still Ange in having slept on it. There's nothing to be gained from pointing the finger at the wrong man.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
Plenty of managers have turned things around to become dominant. SAF took 4 years before a Mark Robbins goal saved him the sack and he won an FA Cup in 1990. The rest is history. Arteta more recently, although he was heavily backed in the market.

I think comparisons to Ten Hag are actually unfair because in all his time at United, you couldn't really how he was trying to play. They played on the counter most of the time and really that's neither United nor his style. It was all very weird. At least Ange, for all his faults, has a very, very clear philosophy. We can definitely see that.

The one thing I'm really unsure about is what the cause is for our lack of consistency. Are the players not turning it on? That would be the easy excuse. I'm not so sure about that. I think it's more likely that our style of play feels more like a lottery. The one thing that happens every game is that we give up chances to the opposition. We're consistent on that front. So if that's a constant, all it takes is a bluntness up top combined with opposition potency and it's therefore understandable why we lose every third game or so. In short, inconsistency of results may be woven into the fabric of this style of play.

That's yet to be determined though. The one worry is that to my mind we've been inconsistent for a year now, going all the way back to THAT Chelsea game last year. If Ange knew how to correct it, wouldn't he have done it by now? It's very hard to maintain consistency playing such open football. It's the same reason Newcastle eventually fell away under Keegan. It sounds boring but the truth is that throughout football history, the one constant is that you can't win anything if you're not defensively solid. For a student of the game, I'm amazed Ange hasn't grasped this.
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“Plenty of managers turn things around” 😂. Did u read the article? I said last 10-15 years so SAF doesn’t count. You’ve then mentioned Arteta which I also said is a bad example as he hasn’t won anything since the turnaround.

You’ve inadvertently answered my question. 2 poor examples

comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Ange In.
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Heres the simpleton not able to answer a question

If you're one of those awful tap in merchants that suggest progress is only measured by trophies then there's no point in having this debate.

By that rationale, Ramos was a better manager for Spurs than Poch