I knew it, Jonty, you one star warrior, you.
I have never ever seen a keeper come out for a cross like the first one.
You know why, because they would be leaving the whole net wide open if the ball is played back across.
It was a cracking ball in, and AO let his man go free.
There is absolutely no blame at all for that goal with Mes.
You're a brave man Farkeness. After the name calling this afternoon, to do a thread about "France's number one" is bordering on reckless 🤣🤣
Meslier is untouchable.
He's the keeper version of Bamford.
Both are sh 1 the. Overrated by self appointed
football know alls on here who are really know
fck alls.
I do personally think Meslier hasnt progressed as well as I would have wanted. However, do not think he was at fault for any of the goals today. First in a very well worked set piece with both our centre backs blocked out and a ball right in the place needed.
Not a keeper in the world saves the second goal.
Third goal is on Farke for negativity. Again not sure how Meslier is supposed to anything with a ball whipped in at that pace.
Id say his main weakness is failing to control the penalty area and so often its because he fails to communicate or hesitates on whether he should come for a ball or not.
Still a decent championship keeper but I wouldnt be comfortable going into the Premier League with him as number 1
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I have never ever seen a keeper come out for a cross like the first one.
You know why, because they would be leaving the whole net wide open if the ball is played back across.
It was a cracking ball in, and AO let his man go free.
There is absolutely no blame at all for that goal with Mes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuZ4tIqUZJU&ab_channel=LeedsUnitedOfficial
Have a look at the replay from behind the goal and look at his positioning for the first goal - as soon as the cross comes in, he's backing away from it. This is what I mean by lacking courage. He doesn't ask any questions of the striker who is free to place the ball where he likes.
As for their third goal, it's the same story. he is glued to the line and dives in the wrong direction. A brave goalkeeper would dive towards the ball.
This is not to say that either goal would have been prevented, just that Mes made it too easy for the strikers for both goals.
And I don't even want to think about how a goalkeeper who is 6"6 was so far from Cullen's shot for the second goal. That was an embarrassment. Just look at where he is positioned when the pass goes to Cullen - on the far side of the goal.
1st goal - all Tanaka's fault
2nd goal- Rodons fault
3rd goal - fluke deflection.
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
And just to wind you up even more, I also think that Piroe and Joseph haven't done enough in their 15 starts this season so far .....and are about to hand Bamford his starting place back up front.
2nd goal is the only goal I'd fault him on, stepping the wrong way before not getting to the post. But tbf it wasn't exactly dry out there.
You guys are too hung up on winning it’s much more fun losing ……Meslier is doing a fine job
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 11 hours, 17 minutes ago
I do personally think Meslier hasnt progressed as well as I would have wanted. However, do not think he was at fault for any of the goals today. First in a very well worked set piece with both our centre backs blocked out and a ball right in the place needed.
Not a keeper in the world saves the second goal.
Third goal is on Farke for negativity. Again not sure how Meslier is supposed to anything with a ball whipped in at that pace.
Id say his main weakness is failing to control the penalty area and so often its because he fails to communicate or hesitates on whether he should come for a ball or not.
Still a decent championship keeper but I wouldnt be comfortable going into the Premier League with him as number 1
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100 % agree
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
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Best comment this year, too many w@nkers on here, more bothered about been proved right (they rarely are)
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
1st goal - all Tanaka's fault
2nd goal- Rodons fault
3rd goal - fluke deflection.
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
And just to wind you up even more, I also think that Piroe and Joseph haven't done enough in their 15 starts this season so far .....and are about to hand Bamford his starting place back up front.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Clueless.
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
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Best comment this year, too many w@nkers on here, more bothered about been proved right (they rarely are)
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agree there too LIW...
after such a great win, and a great game in football terms, log on to an negative article about our keeper ... and its not even justified either... but its almost like some people literally waiting for the opotunity to come and say 'I was right about Meslier'.... same happens with Bamford... and its always the same posters...
Spit… Is it ok to think he wasn’t to blame for any of the goals yesterday but still not rate him? Asking for a friend.
Great win yesterday, not an easy game. Top of the league, playing football admired by all the opposition managers but not our fans.
This fan is pretty happy with things.
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 13 hours, 27 minutes ago
1st goal - all Tanaka's fault
2nd goal- Rodons fault
3rd goal - fluke deflection.
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
And just to wind you up even more, I also think that Piroe and Joseph haven't done enough in their 15 starts this season so far .....and are about to hand Bamford his starting place back up front.
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apart from the order of the goals i 100% agree. Mes not at fault in any way for goals and our strikers just arent doing enough and dont think bamford would do any worse to be fair. For me ramizani,james and gnonto are shoed in for 3 of our front 4 and the other spot has not been nailed down by any of our forwards as they are all lacking one way or the other
Not sure if the OP works for The Star or a similar tabloid, but it does feel like a headline to grab readers attention.
Must admit when the Swansea 2nd goal went in, my initial reaction to Mrs V was that he should have saved it easy. But, as is often the case with me and my eyesight these days, the playbacks showed he actually couldn't do much about it.
Lets be honest he's not a coward, bit of a strong word tbh. He's not the best, but he's certainly good enough for this league and he's part of a team top of the league.
A good team performance I thought .......
I wonder if anyone agrees with me, probably not?
Meslier a fine young goalie, great future prospect but playing behind the defence the Bielsa created, he lost a lot of confidence….I think any young goalie continually fishing the ball out of the net in Bielsa’s last season especially…would have difficulty regaining lost confidence….thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 53 minutes ago
Spit… Is it ok to think he wasn’t to blame for any of the goals yesterday but still not rate him? Asking for a friend.
Great win yesterday, not an easy game. Top of the league, playing football admired by all the opposition managers but not our fans.
This fan is pretty happy with things.
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milky , long time no speak mate, hope you are well?
of course its ok not to rate him, but lets at least not rate him for the right reasons.. feels as tho a proportion of our fan base seem to have these strange agenda's against some our own players.. almost praying for them to fail.. almost just so they can come to JA606 and claim some weird victory..
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson..
and I;m not saying Meslier the greatest keeper ever.. but realistically, who we guna replace him with, and for what cost?... baring in mind we play in the championship.. so the prospect of Ederson coming to us for peanuts just isn't realistic.
I was almost sick to the stomach reading posts from one of fans on here towards the end of last season... he'll know who he is, no need for me to point fingers.. he almost seemed delighted we were bottling it, just so he could stick it to some posters who genuinely thought we'd finish top two based on our squad.
it was sickly and petty...
thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
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1st season
Third lowest GA (Alot less than Farke Norwich)
2nd Season
Lowest GA
3rd season
Plenty of teams conceded more
4th
Went pete tong towards the end.
Bielsa had no defensive tactics 🤦🤦🤦
It was pretty clean what the tactics were, and for long periods, it really worked
was almost sick to the stomach reading posts from one of fans on here towards the end of last season... he'll know who he is, no need for me to point fingers.. he almost seemed delighted we were bottling it, just so he could stick it to some posters who genuinely thought we'd finish top two based on our squad.
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Yup spot on
Why people cant look at where we are before calling the players out is odd!..
Some give our keeper the fault for goals against, does that not mean we should be thanking the Swansea keeper for letting 4 in?..
NJS ref Beilsa... I still to this day have no problem with his defensive tactics.. we were set up to attack though.. games like the one vs City away, down to ten men his defensive tactics were perfect, totally won us the full 3 points..
in hindsight, looking back, the defensive problems started because Bielsa simply didn't have players good enough for the league and his system... which is why it worked perfectly in the championship, but not in the premier league...
first season in the premier league we got away with it because players like Dallas, Bamford, Alioski were playing way above their level. simply not sustainable for bang average players.
if you put Bielsa in charge of City now... I doubt they;d concede many at all
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 2 minutes ago
NJS ref Beilsa... I still to this day have no problem with his defensive tactics.. we were set up to attack though.. games like the one vs City away, down to ten men his defensive tactics were perfect, totally won us the full 3 points..
in hindsight, looking back, the defensive problems started because Bielsa simply didn't have players good enough for the league and his system... which is why it worked perfectly in the championship, but not in the premier league...
first season in the premier league we got away with it because players like Dallas, Bamford, Alioski were playing way above their level. simply not sustainable for bang average players.
if you put Bielsa in charge of City now... I doubt they;d concede many at all
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Strangley, Man city have become really leaky since Rodri got injury, same when Phillips got injured for us 🤷🏻♂️
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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posted on 24/11/24
I knew it, Jonty, you one star warrior, you.
posted on 24/11/24
I have never ever seen a keeper come out for a cross like the first one.
You know why, because they would be leaving the whole net wide open if the ball is played back across.
It was a cracking ball in, and AO let his man go free.
There is absolutely no blame at all for that goal with Mes.
posted on 24/11/24
You're a brave man Farkeness. After the name calling this afternoon, to do a thread about "France's number one" is bordering on reckless 🤣🤣
posted on 24/11/24
Meslier is untouchable.
He's the keeper version of Bamford.
Both are sh 1 the. Overrated by self appointed
football know alls on here who are really know
fck alls.
posted on 24/11/24
I do personally think Meslier hasnt progressed as well as I would have wanted. However, do not think he was at fault for any of the goals today. First in a very well worked set piece with both our centre backs blocked out and a ball right in the place needed.
Not a keeper in the world saves the second goal.
Third goal is on Farke for negativity. Again not sure how Meslier is supposed to anything with a ball whipped in at that pace.
Id say his main weakness is failing to control the penalty area and so often its because he fails to communicate or hesitates on whether he should come for a ball or not.
Still a decent championship keeper but I wouldnt be comfortable going into the Premier League with him as number 1
posted on 24/11/24
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I have never ever seen a keeper come out for a cross like the first one.
You know why, because they would be leaving the whole net wide open if the ball is played back across.
It was a cracking ball in, and AO let his man go free.
There is absolutely no blame at all for that goal with Mes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuZ4tIqUZJU&ab_channel=LeedsUnitedOfficial
Have a look at the replay from behind the goal and look at his positioning for the first goal - as soon as the cross comes in, he's backing away from it. This is what I mean by lacking courage. He doesn't ask any questions of the striker who is free to place the ball where he likes.
As for their third goal, it's the same story. he is glued to the line and dives in the wrong direction. A brave goalkeeper would dive towards the ball.
This is not to say that either goal would have been prevented, just that Mes made it too easy for the strikers for both goals.
And I don't even want to think about how a goalkeeper who is 6"6 was so far from Cullen's shot for the second goal. That was an embarrassment. Just look at where he is positioned when the pass goes to Cullen - on the far side of the goal.
posted on 24/11/24
1st goal - all Tanaka's fault
2nd goal- Rodons fault
3rd goal - fluke deflection.
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
And just to wind you up even more, I also think that Piroe and Joseph haven't done enough in their 15 starts this season so far .....and are about to hand Bamford his starting place back up front.
posted on 25/11/24
2nd goal is the only goal I'd fault him on, stepping the wrong way before not getting to the post. But tbf it wasn't exactly dry out there.
posted on 25/11/24
You guys are too hung up on winning it’s much more fun losing ……Meslier is doing a fine job
posted on 25/11/24
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 11 hours, 17 minutes ago
I do personally think Meslier hasnt progressed as well as I would have wanted. However, do not think he was at fault for any of the goals today. First in a very well worked set piece with both our centre backs blocked out and a ball right in the place needed.
Not a keeper in the world saves the second goal.
Third goal is on Farke for negativity. Again not sure how Meslier is supposed to anything with a ball whipped in at that pace.
Id say his main weakness is failing to control the penalty area and so often its because he fails to communicate or hesitates on whether he should come for a ball or not.
Still a decent championship keeper but I wouldnt be comfortable going into the Premier League with him as number 1
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100 % agree
posted on 25/11/24
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
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Best comment this year, too many w@nkers on here, more bothered about been proved right (they rarely are)
posted on 25/11/24
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 10 hours, 42 minutes ago
1st goal - all Tanaka's fault
2nd goal- Rodons fault
3rd goal - fluke deflection.
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
And just to wind you up even more, I also think that Piroe and Joseph haven't done enough in their 15 starts this season so far .....and are about to hand Bamford his starting place back up front.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Clueless.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
———————————————-
Best comment this year, too many w@nkers on here, more bothered about been proved right (they rarely are)
--------------------------------
agree there too LIW...
after such a great win, and a great game in football terms, log on to an negative article about our keeper ... and its not even justified either... but its almost like some people literally waiting for the opotunity to come and say 'I was right about Meslier'.... same happens with Bamford... and its always the same posters...
posted on 25/11/24
Spit… Is it ok to think he wasn’t to blame for any of the goals yesterday but still not rate him? Asking for a friend.
Great win yesterday, not an easy game. Top of the league, playing football admired by all the opposition managers but not our fans.
This fan is pretty happy with things.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 13 hours, 27 minutes ago
1st goal - all Tanaka's fault
2nd goal- Rodons fault
3rd goal - fluke deflection.
I'm not going to start calling names this time, but I will say that when some of you guys actually watch a game, rather than try to make things fit your narrative, then you'll get more respect.
And just to wind you up even more, I also think that Piroe and Joseph haven't done enough in their 15 starts this season so far .....and are about to hand Bamford his starting place back up front.
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apart from the order of the goals i 100% agree. Mes not at fault in any way for goals and our strikers just arent doing enough and dont think bamford would do any worse to be fair. For me ramizani,james and gnonto are shoed in for 3 of our front 4 and the other spot has not been nailed down by any of our forwards as they are all lacking one way or the other
posted on 25/11/24
Not sure if the OP works for The Star or a similar tabloid, but it does feel like a headline to grab readers attention.
Must admit when the Swansea 2nd goal went in, my initial reaction to Mrs V was that he should have saved it easy. But, as is often the case with me and my eyesight these days, the playbacks showed he actually couldn't do much about it.
Lets be honest he's not a coward, bit of a strong word tbh. He's not the best, but he's certainly good enough for this league and he's part of a team top of the league.
A good team performance I thought .......
posted on 25/11/24
I wonder if anyone agrees with me, probably not?
Meslier a fine young goalie, great future prospect but playing behind the defence the Bielsa created, he lost a lot of confidence….I think any young goalie continually fishing the ball out of the net in Bielsa’s last season especially…would have difficulty regaining lost confidence….thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 53 minutes ago
Spit… Is it ok to think he wasn’t to blame for any of the goals yesterday but still not rate him? Asking for a friend.
Great win yesterday, not an easy game. Top of the league, playing football admired by all the opposition managers but not our fans.
This fan is pretty happy with things.
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milky , long time no speak mate, hope you are well?
of course its ok not to rate him, but lets at least not rate him for the right reasons.. feels as tho a proportion of our fan base seem to have these strange agenda's against some our own players.. almost praying for them to fail.. almost just so they can come to JA606 and claim some weird victory..
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson..
and I;m not saying Meslier the greatest keeper ever.. but realistically, who we guna replace him with, and for what cost?... baring in mind we play in the championship.. so the prospect of Ederson coming to us for peanuts just isn't realistic.
I was almost sick to the stomach reading posts from one of fans on here towards the end of last season... he'll know who he is, no need for me to point fingers.. he almost seemed delighted we were bottling it, just so he could stick it to some posters who genuinely thought we'd finish top two based on our squad.
it was sickly and petty...
posted on 25/11/24
thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
————————————————————
1st season
Third lowest GA (Alot less than Farke Norwich)
2nd Season
Lowest GA
3rd season
Plenty of teams conceded more
4th
Went pete tong towards the end.
Bielsa had no defensive tactics 🤦🤦🤦
It was pretty clean what the tactics were, and for long periods, it really worked
posted on 25/11/24
clear not clean
posted on 25/11/24
was almost sick to the stomach reading posts from one of fans on here towards the end of last season... he'll know who he is, no need for me to point fingers.. he almost seemed delighted we were bottling it, just so he could stick it to some posters who genuinely thought we'd finish top two based on our squad.
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Yup spot on
posted on 25/11/24
Why people cant look at where we are before calling the players out is odd!..
Some give our keeper the fault for goals against, does that not mean we should be thanking the Swansea keeper for letting 4 in?..
posted on 25/11/24
NJS ref Beilsa... I still to this day have no problem with his defensive tactics.. we were set up to attack though.. games like the one vs City away, down to ten men his defensive tactics were perfect, totally won us the full 3 points..
in hindsight, looking back, the defensive problems started because Bielsa simply didn't have players good enough for the league and his system... which is why it worked perfectly in the championship, but not in the premier league...
first season in the premier league we got away with it because players like Dallas, Bamford, Alioski were playing way above their level. simply not sustainable for bang average players.
if you put Bielsa in charge of City now... I doubt they;d concede many at all
posted on 25/11/24
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home aga... (U21595)
posted 2 minutes ago
NJS ref Beilsa... I still to this day have no problem with his defensive tactics.. we were set up to attack though.. games like the one vs City away, down to ten men his defensive tactics were perfect, totally won us the full 3 points..
in hindsight, looking back, the defensive problems started because Bielsa simply didn't have players good enough for the league and his system... which is why it worked perfectly in the championship, but not in the premier league...
first season in the premier league we got away with it because players like Dallas, Bamford, Alioski were playing way above their level. simply not sustainable for bang average players.
if you put Bielsa in charge of City now... I doubt they;d concede many at all
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Strangley, Man city have become really leaky since Rodri got injury, same when Phillips got injured for us 🤷🏻♂️
posted on 25/11/24
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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