comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 4 minutes ago
thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
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1st season
Third lowest GA (Alot less than Farke Norwich)
2nd Season
Lowest GA
3rd season
Plenty of teams conceded more
4th
Went pete tong towards the end.
Bielsa had no defensive tactics 🤦🤦🤦
It was pretty clean what the tactics were, and for long periods, it really worked
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I was principally drawing attention to Bielsa’s last season with Meslier….so you suffered amnesia did you and didn’t see the goals going in at our end…most fans do suffer amnesia when discussing Bielsa, they don’t like to discuss his defensive record…I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
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He got sacked in Feb 22
We got relegated in May 23.
After spending over £100m
Whats that to do with Bielsa 🤦
You cant even get the timeline right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 8 minutes ago
NJS ref Beilsa... I still to this day have no problem with his defensive tactics.. we were set up to attack though.. games like the one vs City away, down to ten men his defensive tactics were perfect, totally won us the full 3 points..
in hindsight, looking back, the defensive problems started because Bielsa simply didn't have players good enough for the league and his system... which is why it worked perfectly in the championship, but not in the premier league...
first season in the premier league we got away with it because players like Dallas, Bamford, Alioski were playing way above their level. simply not sustainable for bang average players.
if you put Bielsa in charge of City now... I doubt they;d concede many at all
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“We were set up to attack….”
Not set up to defend then? No wonder he got the sack then!
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 29 seconds ago
I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
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He got sacked in Feb 22
We got relegated in May 23.
After spending over £100m
Whats that to do with Bielsa 🤦
You cant even get the timeline right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah that was his legacy he left the club in….did you shut your eyes when it was ‘slam dunk’ regularly at our end? Your suffering amnesia and eye problems….see a doctor!
LIW…look up the definition of “legacy”
As usual you rush in without reading the text properly….I didn’t mention timelines of Bielsa getting the sack.
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 29 seconds ago
I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
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He got sacked in Feb 22
We got relegated in May 23.
After spending over £100m
Whats that to do with Bielsa 🤦
You cant even get the timeline right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah that was his legacy he left the club in….did you shut your eyes when it was ‘slam dunk’ regularly at our end? Your suffering amnesia and eye problems….see a doctor!
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struggling to get the link with bielsa and relegation when he was sacked over a year earlier. we were relegated as board took to long to realise JM was a clueless deluded imbecile and all the carp signings orta made before getting the boot as well
I’m struggling to understand why some won’t address Bielsa’s awful defences that lead to the club being relegated a year later, that was the legacy he left the club in….and that’s my opinion.
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
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ah fair play snow... I don't think the poster who called someone a w8 nker actually meant for purely not rating someone... which is a matter of opinion, it was more historic issues that said people appear to wait until we concede a couple of goals and play the i told you so card... pleased and delighted he could be 'proved right'
sorry, in that case, they're w9 nkers
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
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I was told i should stick to ice hockey because i think aaronson should at best be on the bench.
I've changed my mind on that one now and think he shouldnt even be on the bench
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
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I was told i should stick to ice hockey because i think aaronson should at best be on the bench.
I've changed my mind on that one now and think he shouldnt even be on the bench
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i also do not rate aaronson in the slightest and that not one of our strikers seem to be doing what it says on the tin but once again i will mention no keeper could have done much better for any on swanseas goals and please show me a goalkeeper anywhere in the world ever who hasnt made a complete hash like mes v sunderland. even best keepers in the world have all made mistakes and its simply down to the fact they are more noticeable due to usually conceding goals
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
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1st season
Third lowest GA (Alot less than Farke Norwich)
2nd Season
Lowest GA
3rd season
Plenty of teams conceded more
4th
Went pete tong towards the end.
Bielsa had no defensive tactics 🤦🤦🤦
It was pretty clean what the tactics were, and for long periods, it really worked
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Always thought the Bielsa way defensively was that the best form of defence is attack… if you lose possession you suffocate and press, stop attacks at source by fair means or foul. It Just looks a mess when the 1v1 man marking gets done, which typically was against the top teams with the ballers to do it… And occasionally the hoof ballers taking advantage of our vertically challenged line-up.
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 53 minutes ago
Spit… Is it ok to think he wasn’t to blame for any of the goals yesterday but still not rate him? Asking for a friend.
Great win yesterday, not an easy game. Top of the league, playing football admired by all the opposition managers but not our fans.
This fan is pretty happy with things.
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milky, long time no speak mate, hope you are well?
of course its ok not to rate him, but lets at least not rate him for the right reasons.. feels as tho a proportion of our fan base seem to have these strange agenda's against some our own players.. almost praying for them to fail.. almost just so they can come to JA606 and claim some weird victory..
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson..
and I;m not saying Meslier the greatest keeper ever.. but realistically, who we guna replace him with, and for what cost?... baring in mind we play in the championship.. so the prospect of Ederson coming to us for peanuts just isn't realistic.
I was almost sick to the stomach reading posts from one of fans on here towards the end of last season... he'll know who he is, no need for me to point fingers.. he almost seemed delighted we were bottling it, just so he could stick it to some posters who genuinely thought we'd finish top two based on our squad.
it was sickly and petty...
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I’m good thanks mate. Trust all is well with you and yours.
I had a few debates on here a couple of seasons back re Meslier where I was seemingly the only one questioning his worth and took some flak for it!… Maybe it’s all my fault! I’ve expressed my views on him often enough but I really want him to succeed and prove me wrong. He’s had a few head in hands moments this season. He also made an outstanding save at Sunderland only for them to score from the rebound… so all that’s remembered is their freak equaliser. That’s how it is for him recently. Getting on players backs is never going to help them but these forums are to have an opinion. As long as it stays balanced and doesn’t migrate from tinternet to the ground - as it has with some players in the past - it is what it is.
Can’t disagree re some being more interested in being right than supporting their team. But enough about me, there are others not much better.
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
I’m struggling to understand why some won’t address Bielsa’s awful defences that lead to the club being relegated a year later, that was the legacy he left the club in….and that’s my opinion.
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What 18 months later, over £100m spent and four managers later.
Come on that’s embarrassing
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
I’m struggling to understand why some won’t address Bielsa’s awful defences that lead to the club being relegated a year later, that was the legacy he left the club in….and that’s my opinion.
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What 18 months later, over £100m spent and four managers later.
Come on that’s embarrassing
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I was more embarrassed watching Bielsa’s defensive formations conceding loads of goals in the Premiership in the latter stages of his tenure, teams loved playing against us…especially the top teams…goals galore, and how long did you think this could go on…or can’t you remember the humiliation the club went through, hence the sacking….poor coach defensively.
Disagree with thr OP. First goal Tanaka loses his man, third goal thr centre backs should deal with it better, Pas coulf could have gotten ahead of him whereas Joe could have been quicker/stronger. Second one Mes should have done better. Don't rate him highly, would sign a new one if we get promoted.
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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100% agreed, White, the number of personal comments, veiled or otherwise, is just ridiculous. This is my point of view. You are welcome to agree or disagree or provide your own view. That’s what makes this a great forum, but to abuse people just because you don’t agree with them, that is just plain rude.
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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100% agreed, White, the number of personal comments, veiled or otherwise, is just ridiculous. This is my point of view. You are welcome to agree or disagree or provide your own view. That’s what makes this a great forum, but to abuse people just because you don’t agree with them, that is just plain rude.
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It was a much better forum a few years ago. The personal attacks have become ridiculous.
If I wanted childish disagreements over simply having a different point of view to someone else, I'd express an opinion on Facebook!
I’ve often wondered why some on here don’t just PM each other on WhatsApp etc. They seem to be determined to denigrate others; to shout down any comments that don’t agree with their own (classic ‘Groupthink&rsquo. Maybe they just get off on it?
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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100% agreed, White, the number of personal comments, veiled or otherwise, is just ridiculous. This is my point of view. You are welcome to agree or disagree or provide your own view. That’s what makes this a great forum, but to abuse people just because you don’t agree with them, that is just plain rude.
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It was a much better forum a few years ago. The personal attacks have become ridiculous.
If I wanted childish disagreements over simply having a different point of view to someone else, I'd express an opinion on Facebook!
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Keep commenting, creating and debating is the tag line for this site. I try to stick to that. I did find the title of the thread a bit over the top - a headline grabber so to speak - but hey, it got me to click so it worked.
I (try) to respect all viewpoints on here. Don't think i've resorted to abuse in recent memory (there were periods years ago where it became a melee of cheery and dreary points of view).
Life has dealt some horrendous blows in recent years (grandson murdered in Halifax being the main one), so my perspective on life has changed. I really enjoy reading the differing view points - and i do think some should think more before typing.
Problem with any website, in my view, is that it's all the typed word. Stuff said on here, if said in a pub, with body language and more context would just be considered a good footy chat. This forum, as great as it is, loses that and convo's can deteriorate as a result.
Personally i find it a great source of info on the club, good to see viewpoints differing to mine (makes me think about other options on team performances).
Different opinions, even if based on a hunch not cast-iron facts, I like to read them. Very, very few of us close enough to the club to know exactly what's happening.
As for Mes - he'll do for now, but in my view we need better if promoted.
Very good comment, VOF and much sympathy for you reference your grandson.
I was drawn to your comment “ problem with any website, in my view, is that it’s all the typed words”
But have you noticed how emojis are creeping into comments…Liw seems to be a convert using this form of communication, I didn’t have a clue what his emojis was supposed to convey! I prefer to use words, don’t think I’ve ever used emoji on here.
Change of subject: just wondering if the cult of Bielsa still meet?
This forum was infiltrated by a very sinister, scary sect, by members second guessing Bielsa’s tactics….they came out with some really awful opinions, such as and I paraphrase “ strikers don’t really need to score” crikey!
“ Bielsa is really not bothered about scoring” bloody hell, how scary is that! I just wondered if they still meet, possibly at midnight? They scared the hell out of me!
Great post VOF…. sorry for your awful loss. I can’t even imagine the pain. I used to enjoy some lively banter/debate, on forums, and may still sometimes if it’s a poster I know well - but I try to stop to think more how things may be perceived by others. I took the view that if you went on a public forum and dished it out you should be able to take it. I’m older and hopefully a little wiser now. I try to respond to the post not the poster. Key word is try, I’m sure I still mess up .
You never know what’s going on in other people’s lives, even a flippant comment with no hurt intended can land badly, never mind an obvious personal attack.
posted 1 month, 1 day ago
VOF... , awful news and am very sorry your loss.
posted 1 month, 1 day ago
Yep I noticed the creep of the emoji's .... initially thought they were unnecessary, but now I just see them as an expression/mannerism.
Thing with Liw I find is he's frustratingly correct a lot of the time. Never met, but get the impression he just speaks plainly - I actually prefer that from people. I genuinely think ultimately he's a good guy, just speaks plainly. Trouble is one person's plain, is another persons rude. Online it's hard to judge how it's getting delivered.
Thanks for the sympathies everyone. Knife crime, why can't youngsters just have a punch up eh? Irony for our kid was he was just close, but had little to do, with the fracas near him. Wrong place, wrong time.
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posted on 25/11/24
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 4 minutes ago
thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
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1st season
Third lowest GA (Alot less than Farke Norwich)
2nd Season
Lowest GA
3rd season
Plenty of teams conceded more
4th
Went pete tong towards the end.
Bielsa had no defensive tactics 🤦🤦🤦
It was pretty clean what the tactics were, and for long periods, it really worked
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I was principally drawing attention to Bielsa’s last season with Meslier….so you suffered amnesia did you and didn’t see the goals going in at our end…most fans do suffer amnesia when discussing Bielsa, they don’t like to discuss his defensive record…I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
posted on 25/11/24
I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
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He got sacked in Feb 22
We got relegated in May 23.
After spending over £100m
Whats that to do with Bielsa 🤦
You cant even get the timeline right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
posted on 25/11/24
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 8 minutes ago
NJS ref Beilsa... I still to this day have no problem with his defensive tactics.. we were set up to attack though.. games like the one vs City away, down to ten men his defensive tactics were perfect, totally won us the full 3 points..
in hindsight, looking back, the defensive problems started because Bielsa simply didn't have players good enough for the league and his system... which is why it worked perfectly in the championship, but not in the premier league...
first season in the premier league we got away with it because players like Dallas, Bamford, Alioski were playing way above their level. simply not sustainable for bang average players.
if you put Bielsa in charge of City now... I doubt they;d concede many at all
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“We were set up to attack….”
Not set up to defend then? No wonder he got the sack then!
posted on 25/11/24
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 29 seconds ago
I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
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He got sacked in Feb 22
We got relegated in May 23.
After spending over £100m
Whats that to do with Bielsa 🤦
You cant even get the timeline right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah that was his legacy he left the club in….did you shut your eyes when it was ‘slam dunk’ regularly at our end? Your suffering amnesia and eye problems….see a doctor!
posted on 25/11/24
LIW…look up the definition of “legacy”
As usual you rush in without reading the text properly….I didn’t mention timelines of Bielsa getting the sack.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 29 seconds ago
I believe he got the sack and his legacy was the club was relegated.
———————————————————-
He got sacked in Feb 22
We got relegated in May 23.
After spending over £100m
Whats that to do with Bielsa 🤦
You cant even get the timeline right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Yeah that was his legacy he left the club in….did you shut your eyes when it was ‘slam dunk’ regularly at our end? Your suffering amnesia and eye problems….see a doctor!
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struggling to get the link with bielsa and relegation when he was sacked over a year earlier. we were relegated as board took to long to realise JM was a clueless deluded imbecile and all the carp signings orta made before getting the boot as well
posted on 25/11/24
I’m struggling to understand why some won’t address Bielsa’s awful defences that lead to the club being relegated a year later, that was the legacy he left the club in….and that’s my opinion.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
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Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
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ah fair play snow... I don't think the poster who called someone a w8 nker actually meant for purely not rating someone... which is a matter of opinion, it was more historic issues that said people appear to wait until we concede a couple of goals and play the i told you so card... pleased and delighted he could be 'proved right'
sorry, in that case, they're w9 nkers
posted on 25/11/24
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
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I was told i should stick to ice hockey because i think aaronson should at best be on the bench.
I've changed my mind on that one now and think he shouldnt even be on the bench
posted on 25/11/24
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 1 minute ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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Snow... what an odd post.... I've not called anyone a w9 nker for about 10 years mate ??
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Other people on here have & worse. It wasn't a post aimed at you, it was a general point.
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I was told i should stick to ice hockey because i think aaronson should at best be on the bench.
I've changed my mind on that one now and think he shouldnt even be on the bench
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i also do not rate aaronson in the slightest and that not one of our strikers seem to be doing what it says on the tin but once again i will mention no keeper could have done much better for any on swanseas goals and please show me a goalkeeper anywhere in the world ever who hasnt made a complete hash like mes v sunderland. even best keepers in the world have all made mistakes and its simply down to the fact they are more noticeable due to usually conceding goals
posted on 25/11/24
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
thanks to Bielsa’s eccentric defensive tactics, or lack of!
I would never class Bielsa a great coach due to his record of conceding goals to the opposition.
————————————————————
1st season
Third lowest GA (Alot less than Farke Norwich)
2nd Season
Lowest GA
3rd season
Plenty of teams conceded more
4th
Went pete tong towards the end.
Bielsa had no defensive tactics 🤦🤦🤦
It was pretty clean what the tactics were, and for long periods, it really worked
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Always thought the Bielsa way defensively was that the best form of defence is attack… if you lose possession you suffocate and press, stop attacks at source by fair means or foul. It Just looks a mess when the 1v1 man marking gets done, which typically was against the top teams with the ballers to do it… And occasionally the hoof ballers taking advantage of our vertically challenged line-up.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 53 minutes ago
Spit… Is it ok to think he wasn’t to blame for any of the goals yesterday but still not rate him? Asking for a friend.
Great win yesterday, not an easy game. Top of the league, playing football admired by all the opposition managers but not our fans.
This fan is pretty happy with things.
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milky, long time no speak mate, hope you are well?
of course its ok not to rate him, but lets at least not rate him for the right reasons.. feels as tho a proportion of our fan base seem to have these strange agenda's against some our own players.. almost praying for them to fail.. almost just so they can come to JA606 and claim some weird victory..
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson..
and I;m not saying Meslier the greatest keeper ever.. but realistically, who we guna replace him with, and for what cost?... baring in mind we play in the championship.. so the prospect of Ederson coming to us for peanuts just isn't realistic.
I was almost sick to the stomach reading posts from one of fans on here towards the end of last season... he'll know who he is, no need for me to point fingers.. he almost seemed delighted we were bottling it, just so he could stick it to some posters who genuinely thought we'd finish top two based on our squad.
it was sickly and petty...
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I’m good thanks mate. Trust all is well with you and yours.
I had a few debates on here a couple of seasons back re Meslier where I was seemingly the only one questioning his worth and took some flak for it!… Maybe it’s all my fault! I’ve expressed my views on him often enough but I really want him to succeed and prove me wrong. He’s had a few head in hands moments this season. He also made an outstanding save at Sunderland only for them to score from the rebound… so all that’s remembered is their freak equaliser. That’s how it is for him recently. Getting on players backs is never going to help them but these forums are to have an opinion. As long as it stays balanced and doesn’t migrate from tinternet to the ground - as it has with some players in the past - it is what it is.
Can’t disagree re some being more interested in being right than supporting their team. But enough about me, there are others not much better.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
I’m struggling to understand why some won’t address Bielsa’s awful defences that lead to the club being relegated a year later, that was the legacy he left the club in….and that’s my opinion.
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What 18 months later, over £100m spent and four managers later.
Come on that’s embarrassing
posted on 25/11/24
comment by LIW 100 Points, champions, Lose two games only (U8453)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
I’m struggling to understand why some won’t address Bielsa’s awful defences that lead to the club being relegated a year later, that was the legacy he left the club in….and that’s my opinion.
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What 18 months later, over £100m spent and four managers later.
Come on that’s embarrassing
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I was more embarrassed watching Bielsa’s defensive formations conceding loads of goals in the Premiership in the latter stages of his tenure, teams loved playing against us…especially the top teams…goals galore, and how long did you think this could go on…or can’t you remember the humiliation the club went through, hence the sacking….poor coach defensively.
posted on 25/11/24
Disagree with thr OP. First goal Tanaka loses his man, third goal thr centre backs should deal with it better, Pas coulf could have gotten ahead of him whereas Joe could have been quicker/stronger. Second one Mes should have done better. Don't rate him highly, would sign a new one if we get promoted.
posted on 25/11/24
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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100% agreed, White, the number of personal comments, veiled or otherwise, is just ridiculous. This is my point of view. You are welcome to agree or disagree or provide your own view. That’s what makes this a great forum, but to abuse people just because you don’t agree with them, that is just plain rude.
posted on 26/11/24
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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100% agreed, White, the number of personal comments, veiled or otherwise, is just ridiculous. This is my point of view. You are welcome to agree or disagree or provide your own view. That’s what makes this a great forum, but to abuse people just because you don’t agree with them, that is just plain rude.
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It was a much better forum a few years ago. The personal attacks have become ridiculous.
If I wanted childish disagreements over simply having a different point of view to someone else, I'd express an opinion on Facebook!
posted on 26/11/24
I’ve often wondered why some on here don’t just PM each other on WhatsApp etc. They seem to be determined to denigrate others; to shout down any comments that don’t agree with their own (classic ‘Groupthink&rsquo. Maybe they just get off on it?
posted on 26/11/24
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by The heart of Farkeness (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 8 hours, 56 minutes ago
we see it now with Bamford, Meslier, Firpo, Aaronson
--------‐-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bamford is finished & basically has been for a couple of years. Yes he scored a few last season, yes he scored that screamer in the FA Cup, but his all round play has suffered possibly due to all the injuries he's had. His last start against Middlesbrough in the League Cup laid his deficiencies bare. It looks like even Farke can see the writing on the wall now.
It's ok not to rate him without being called a w@nker.
Meslier has been prone to huge costly errors for a few years now. This is not a new phenomenon. When Allardyce embarrasingly came in to milk the club in a final desperate throw of the dice, what was the only real change he made? After some awful mistakes, Meslier was out.
The 2nd goal yesterday was pitiful. Not just because for a man of around 6.5 feet he went down in instalments, but for his positioning. If Kiko Casilla had made a few of his recent errors, particularly the one at Sunderland, there would have been absolute carnage!!
If you don't rate Meslier, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Junior Firpo took some time to settle in to this country but i always felt the criticism of him was a bit over the top.
But if you don't rate him, it doesn't mean you're a w@nker.
Aaronson was shown up in the Premiership after a promising start. He still sometimes looks to lack physicality, but he's made some decent contributions this season, albeit at a lower level.
But if you still don't rate him, it doesn't make you a w@nker.
We all have opinions. If you rate a player i don't, that doesn't make you a better or worse person than me.
Interestingly, one player who came in for some of the harshest criticism on here from some of the loudest voices was a certain Monsieur Rutter. I remember a few calling him our "worst ever signing". Now that was ridiculous.
Chill. Peace. Stop the keyboard warrior stuff.
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100% agreed, White, the number of personal comments, veiled or otherwise, is just ridiculous. This is my point of view. You are welcome to agree or disagree or provide your own view. That’s what makes this a great forum, but to abuse people just because you don’t agree with them, that is just plain rude.
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It was a much better forum a few years ago. The personal attacks have become ridiculous.
If I wanted childish disagreements over simply having a different point of view to someone else, I'd express an opinion on Facebook!
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Keep commenting, creating and debating is the tag line for this site. I try to stick to that. I did find the title of the thread a bit over the top - a headline grabber so to speak - but hey, it got me to click so it worked.
I (try) to respect all viewpoints on here. Don't think i've resorted to abuse in recent memory (there were periods years ago where it became a melee of cheery and dreary points of view).
Life has dealt some horrendous blows in recent years (grandson murdered in Halifax being the main one), so my perspective on life has changed. I really enjoy reading the differing view points - and i do think some should think more before typing.
Problem with any website, in my view, is that it's all the typed word. Stuff said on here, if said in a pub, with body language and more context would just be considered a good footy chat. This forum, as great as it is, loses that and convo's can deteriorate as a result.
Personally i find it a great source of info on the club, good to see viewpoints differing to mine (makes me think about other options on team performances).
Different opinions, even if based on a hunch not cast-iron facts, I like to read them. Very, very few of us close enough to the club to know exactly what's happening.
As for Mes - he'll do for now, but in my view we need better if promoted.
posted on 26/11/24
Very good comment, VOF and much sympathy for you reference your grandson.
I was drawn to your comment “ problem with any website, in my view, is that it’s all the typed words”
But have you noticed how emojis are creeping into comments…Liw seems to be a convert using this form of communication, I didn’t have a clue what his emojis was supposed to convey! I prefer to use words, don’t think I’ve ever used emoji on here.
Change of subject: just wondering if the cult of Bielsa still meet?
This forum was infiltrated by a very sinister, scary sect, by members second guessing Bielsa’s tactics….they came out with some really awful opinions, such as and I paraphrase “ strikers don’t really need to score” crikey!
“ Bielsa is really not bothered about scoring” bloody hell, how scary is that! I just wondered if they still meet, possibly at midnight? They scared the hell out of me!
posted on 26/11/24
Great post VOF…. sorry for your awful loss. I can’t even imagine the pain. I used to enjoy some lively banter/debate, on forums, and may still sometimes if it’s a poster I know well - but I try to stop to think more how things may be perceived by others. I took the view that if you went on a public forum and dished it out you should be able to take it. I’m older and hopefully a little wiser now. I try to respond to the post not the poster. Key word is try, I’m sure I still mess up .
You never know what’s going on in other people’s lives, even a flippant comment with no hurt intended can land badly, never mind an obvious personal attack.
posted 1 month, 1 day ago
VOF... , awful news and am very sorry your loss.
posted 1 month, 1 day ago
Yep I noticed the creep of the emoji's .... initially thought they were unnecessary, but now I just see them as an expression/mannerism.
Thing with Liw I find is he's frustratingly correct a lot of the time. Never met, but get the impression he just speaks plainly - I actually prefer that from people. I genuinely think ultimately he's a good guy, just speaks plainly. Trouble is one person's plain, is another persons rude. Online it's hard to judge how it's getting delivered.
Thanks for the sympathies everyone. Knife crime, why can't youngsters just have a punch up eh? Irony for our kid was he was just close, but had little to do, with the fracas near him. Wrong place, wrong time.
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