Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that
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Yeah in that case he would likely have us challenging for top 4 next season. Not the title obviously. But we can see how we get on in the play offs and go from there.

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that
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Hmmm . Probably not. He'd definitely need to be sacked if we lost every single match.

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 13 minutes ago
Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that
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Um, a bit far fetched to accept losing every single game for the rest of the season (I mean that would see us relegated ), no matter what is being implemented, and I say that as a big Amorim fan. But there needs to be realism about where we are and what needs to be done and how long it will take.

I think Amorim is being both truthful and honest, but it gives him a bit of leeway to maybe progress quicker than expected which isn't bad either. In the short-term I think there will be days when it might click and we think great, but others when it won't work as well, but there will hopefully be a gradual improvement

comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that
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Yeah in that case he would likely have us challenging for top 4 next season. Not the title obviously. But we can see how we get on in the play offs and go from there.
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Agree with every word in the OP. Results won't be particularly relevant in the coming weeks and months. Performances will hopefully show signs of improvement but with weak spots. In other words, keep away from the match threads.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing this process unfold. We love winning stuff and we'd love to see champagne football. But for me it's going to be more rewarding if we reach that point after going through a painstaking reconstruction of the football, based on intelligent ideas, hard work and incremental advances. Not only is it naive to think that Amorim could wave a wand and remove the gap between us and the best sides in an instant: I think that would be a lot less satisfying too.

It's a reality check for everyone. I don't buy into the fact these players don't try. They just aren't that good. The lack of quality in the squad given what we have spent is an absolute shambles.

He's got a very tough job on his hands made even harder that he's had to come in 3 months into a season with no pre season because some idiots thought Erik deserved another chance.

Good luck Ruben....you're definitely going to need it.

Based on what we saw what "quick fixes" are there in terms of making it better. I say getting more energy in midfield (Ugarte and Mainoo perhaps), Yoro and Shaw/Martinez either side of De Ligt. Mazraoui moving to LWB. Hojlund up front.

This where I feel Ten Hag failed, two seasons in a row he tried implementing something different and after a handful of games (maybe less) he reverted looking for results. He didn’t back his ideas or trust the players to implement them.

Not that I'm dismissing what Rosso states of course. I know it's a big job. It's just with the big job we can't ignore results in the short term entirely either. Hopefully he'll get us in a good enough shape to give us a good crack at the Europa.

I'm excited to hopefully see how he can improve the younger players, and hopefully mould them into his team and vision for the future.

I'm also not going to write off the more established players either - hopefully he can get as many of them on board and into his way of thinking and just instil a belief and confidence in the squad that has been lacking for so long.

Of course there will be players who just don't fit at all, but I feel with Amorim they will get a fair crack at it and if it doesn't work, then we simply move them on.

But the mindset and vision of the manager seems a lot clearer already, and communicated a lot more coherently

Who is on your list in the current squad of those who will: 1. Flourish 2. Not fit in to the system 3. Not have the right attitude/balls/commitment to make it work.

Every time i watch Amad I am impressed by him and he is certainly one who has the quality and attitude to flourish. What do Utd fans think about where he fits in. Spurs have played wing backs over the years and although its a system i like, i have always thought that it can compromise the wing back if they are a quality attacker. It kinda wastes their ability if they are having to do a lot of tracking back and you could see yesterday a couple balls played in behind Ahmad and in the second half he was more switched on to that but was less effective attack wise. Porro played RWB under Amorim and he's the perfect sort in this position IMO (may be he could be faster). Someone technically good, good defensive instincts but very capable in advanced albeit it not at the level of an out and out winger like Amad. DO you think new wing backs is a key position to fill?

The other thing i feel about the 3 at the back is that fundamentally its a defensive line up and that it is sometimes difficult to get enough players in attacking positions, especially centrally.

Looking at our line up yesterday I'd imagine that Ruben would only select three in his ideal first XI. For one reason or another he wasn't able to select them.

What I suppose was a positive is that we stemmed the tide in the second half and got some control back even if we looked a bit blunt going the other way.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
This where I feel Ten Hag failed, two seasons in a row he tried implementing something different and after a handful of games (maybe less) he reverted looking for results. He didn’t back his ideas or trust the players to implement them.
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Speculatively, he was might also have been operating under minimum short-term expectations set by the Woodward/Arnold regime that convinced him he didn't have the luxury of prioritising longer term growth of the team. Either way, I hope the INEOS guys (with their 2028 goal) are very clear about accepting short-term pain for long-term gain.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
This where I feel Ten Hag failed, two seasons in a row he tried implementing something different and after a handful of games (maybe less) he reverted looking for results. He didn’t back his ideas or trust the players to implement them.
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I think there's a fine line between making sure results aren't too bad and ensuring that the style of play is what the manager wants. I think ETH also struggled with the fact that the players didn't seem to really believe in him and what he was trying to do wasn't very apparent.
Amorim will hopefully be better at getting that across and has set out his stall from the start.
But we also have to be realistic that losing 10 games in a row isn't acceptable either!!! Not that I think that will happen .
But I feel his words are prepare for the worst, and if it turns out better, fans will be happy and it reflects well on the manager also

Excellent post, 5 stars!

Dropping Eriksen and Casemiro alone will improve our running stats.

I like this thread. The sooner every fan realises top 10 this season is all we should be expecting the better. Get over your shock and horror at that statement and realise yes the club is currently probably the 10th best in the land and let the manager sort it out with the pressure off.

comment by Ruben's Restyled Reds (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
Dropping Eriksen and Casemiro alone will improve our running stats.
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No it wouldn't. it would make it worse.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
Who is on your list in the current squad of those who will: 1. Flourish 2. Not fit in to the system 3. Not have the right attitude/balls/commitment to make it work.

Every time i watch Amad I am impressed by him and he is certainly one who has the quality and attitude to flourish. What do Utd fans think about where he fits in. Spurs have played wing backs over the years and although its a system i like, i have always thought that it can compromise the wing back if they are a quality attacker. It kinda wastes their ability if they are having to do a lot of tracking back and you could see yesterday a couple balls played in behind Ahmad and in the second half he was more switched on to that but was less effective attack wise. Porro played RWB under Amorim and he's the perfect sort in this position IMO (may be he could be faster). Someone technically good, good defensive instincts but very capable in advanced albeit it not at the level of an out and out winger like Amad. DO you think new wing backs is a key position to fill?

The other thing i feel about the 3 at the back is that fundamentally its a defensive line up and that it is sometimes difficult to get enough players in attacking positions, especially centrally.
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Honestly, it would be easy to roll out the usual suspects of who we think will work out and who won't, but I would rather wait a few months and see what Amorim does with them as a squad, because there are bound to be surprises. I don't see any point on judging from yesterday's game, because it was just one game, and we have generally been poor this season anyhow.
But even this early in the season, Maz seems likely to be player of the season - settled in so well, and with some players, it doesn't matter what system we play, he will fit in.
I don't why, but I have a funny gut feeling that Amorim might turn Malacia into something decent, after all the injury issues - one of those, who would have believed it a year ago etc

It's kinda like the new Labour Government. Been dealt a shiiity hand, have to start doing some long term planning but cannot ignore the here and now in keeping fans happy, keeping things moving forward and developing some faith that their tenure can be a success, in time.

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 13 minutes ago
Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that
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Um, a bit far fetched to accept losing every single game for the rest of the season (I mean that would see us relegated), no matter what is being implemented, and I say that as a big Amorim fan. But there needs to be realism about where we are and what needs to be done and how long it will take.

I think Amorim is being both truthful and honest, but it gives him a bit of leeway to maybe progress quicker than expected which isn't bad either. In the short-term I think there will be days when it might click and we think great, but others when it won't work as well, but there will hopefully be a gradual improvement
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I expect (and hope) we are going to see a lot of experimentation with players in the different roles, some of which might be a little left field and confuse/wind up fans and players alike.

But it’s going to be necessary I think. We have a bunch of players who have never played the kind of football we’re going to be playing in their careers, so a lot of this is going to be very new to some of them.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
It's kinda like the new Labour Government. Been dealt a shiiity hand, have to start doing some long term planning but cannot ignore the here and now in keeping fans happy, keeping things moving forward and developing some faith that their tenure can be a success, in time.
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Fack politics out of this article you cant.

In a lot of ways it might be better how yesterday wasn't a good watch. We've had fast starts under new manager bounces that have led us nowhere really.

It's actually quite scary though just how much work is needed and given there's a very good chance we won't make the CL for a second season running, money is also going to be very tight for him which won't help him.

What a story it would be though if he does take us back to a PL title within 4-5 years. I think he's capable of it but clearly not with this group of players.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 13 minutes ago
Some managers deserve patience. Even if we lost every single game from now to the rest of the season as long as there was a plan that would eventually come to fruition I’m fine with that
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Um, a bit far fetched to accept losing every single game for the rest of the season (I mean that would see us relegated), no matter what is being implemented, and I say that as a big Amorim fan. But there needs to be realism about where we are and what needs to be done and how long it will take.

I think Amorim is being both truthful and honest, but it gives him a bit of leeway to maybe progress quicker than expected which isn't bad either. In the short-term I think there will be days when it might click and we think great, but others when it won't work as well, but there will hopefully be a gradual improvement
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I expect (and hope) we are going to see a lot of experimentation with players in the different roles, some of which might be a little left field and confuse/wind up fans and players alike.

But it’s going to be necessary I think. We have a bunch of players who have never played the kind of football we’re going to be playing in their careers, so a lot of this is going to be very new to some of them.
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Definitely - some will adapt very quickly, others need a little more time, and some won't work out at all. Doesn't make any of them bad players, but not every player works out for every manager. But I think there will be surprises both ways in terms of who does work out and who doesn't.
What really excites me about Amorim is that he actually feels like the right guy. ETH was a good solid choice, but whilst I supported him initially, into his second season I just didn't feel he was the right guy - I was hoping he was, but he didn't give me that feeling.

Of course time will tell with Amorim, but I already have more belief in him rather than just hope, and I think the players will feel that too.